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Of course if Deion keeps getting assistants like Mike Zimmer his chances of success goes up considerably.

Not sure where all the negativity is coming from. Satt has won at his two stops and was in-the running to be UCs head coach when Fick was hired. No one can say for sure who the finalists for the job were, as it was all kept under wraps pretty tightly. I think it’s a good hire. Time will tell.

(12-08-2022 09:24 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I was a bit shocked when they announced Satterfield only because he just came out of nowhere and I didn't even know we were considering him.

But what has happened since is that everybody is spooked because UC is losing the propaganda war with Louisville. All the Louisville guys are preening around like we hired their village idiot and they went out and got Nick Saban Jr.

I've been wanting to go over to the ACC board and light them up but cuserock will threaten to run me again, so I'm holding back.

Of course their story is that Brohm didn't take the job four years ago because he'd just gotten to Purdue and didn't want to be impolite and leave early. BS.

What it appears to me is that Brohm saw Louisville as a pile of dry crap four years ago and wasn't touching that job with a ten foot pole. But now that Satterfield has cleaned up the mess, it's OK for him to come riding into town on his white stallion to take them to the CFP. You know, like he did with Purdue.

Satterfield is the coaching equivalent of Michael McDonald. He's as good a singer and they had bigger hits with him but everyone always says the Doobies are better with Tom Johnston.

Thank you.....The UofL guys have wanted Brohm forever, he's local, he's alumni, yada, yada, yada....If Satterfield had not flirted with South Carolina, Cards fans wouldn't have turned on him the way they did. He's a proven P5 coach with a history of success, and the recruiting chops to go with it. It may not have been a home run for UC, but in my opinion it was a triple given the portal time crunch and all. Oh, as to your Doobies reference: You can shake any tree in Northern California and ten Tom Johnston's will fall out, but there's only one Michael McDonald.....

(12-08-2022 01:05 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Not sure where all the negativity is coming from. Satt has won at his two stops and was in-the running to be UCs head coach when Fick was hired. No one can say for sure who the finalists for the job were, as it was all kept under wraps pretty tightly. I think it’s a good hire. Time will tell.

Not negativity. I just don't think he's that much above a middle of the road P5 head coach and we've had several years to evaluate him.

I said earlier, he's a 5 iron off the tee box safely in the fairway to set you up to play for par.

Perhaps he's the best that was available and interested for the boxes we were looking to check off.

(12-08-2022 01:05 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Not sure where all the negativity is coming from. Satt has won at his two stops and was in-the running to be UCs head coach when Fick was hired. No one can say for sure who the finalists for the job were, as it was all kept under wraps pretty tightly. I think it’s a good hire. Time will tell.

It's been reported that the 3 finalists and the only 3 guys who received in person interviews were Lewis, Linquist and Satterfield.

(12-08-2022 10:59 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 10:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  My guess is Colorado's program will be farther ahead than UC's post haste.

The staff they are putting together is looking like the dream team. Not just Lewis as OC...he's tapping into Coach Saban's Finishing School for recruiting and X's and O's now. They are spending $$.

Oh...CO coming off a 1-11 season sold out next season this past week and there is now a waiting list for tickets. Sponsorships are raining in.

That hire was a business decision.

We'll see. I think deion was an incredible hire for Colorado which has mostly been a dumpster fire for a long time. He's competely blowing things up and going about things in a way that isn't remotely like anyone else. It could be a huge success. But it's very high variance and where will you be when thy Deion show moves on?

The uc program is one where good coaches can win at a high level. You don't need a disrupter to build a high level winner. Uc wasn't looking to make uc the Deion show. They were looking to continue building on the success of the Uc program which has had great success over the last decade and a half. I believe in uc as program more than i believe in Deion.

This is exactly what Cincy should have done coming off the CFP year, but we got cheap as hell and gave Fickell some crumbs and now wonder why he left. This program can't get out of it's own way after some success.

(12-08-2022 11:17 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 11:17 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I know one thing for sure is that regardless of what Satterfield does at UC there will be a contingent of UC fans that will never be able to move on from Deion.

For too many it was Deion or bust. I think that's where a lot of the negativity is coming from.

It didn't help when tweets were flying its down to Colorado, Cincy, and USF. He better choose UC from that list right?

(12-08-2022 01:29 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  This is exactly what Cincy should have done coming off the CFP year, but we got cheap as hell and gave Fickell some crumbs and now wonder why he left. This program can't get out of it's own way after some success.

It's pretty clear with what we know now that Fickell was leaving regardless.

As soon as he missed out on the ND job last year, his path was set.
He was not going to stay at UC past this season regardless.
Any attempts to make it sound like Fickell reluctantly left UC, or that he left because UC didn't do what needed to be done, or that UC tried to play cheap with him just don't hold up.

I'm looking at our coaching search and hire from a broader perspective. I don't know who all was on JC's initial list. The Athletic reported he acknowledged it was less than 'two dozen" and Coach Satterfield was included on that list. What we do know is several candidates either said "not interested" or removed their names from consideration during the process. We also know two coaches from the MAC were interviewed in person and were finalists for the job along with Coach Satterfield. Both of the MAC coaches had sub.500 records [10-14 and 19-24]. Coach Satterfield was 25-24 [1-1 bowls] at Louisville. Specifically:

2019 8-5
2020 4-7
2021 6-7
2022 7-5

His best season was the first following the Petrino exit. That team finished 2-10 in 2018.

It was also reported that CSS approached the Louisville AD at the conclusion of this season asking for an extension to his contract and was told "no, you have to show us more next season." Obviously, his body of work there didn't warrant it. If this were a Bearcats head coach I'd hope we would do the same.

This is akin to trying to feel good about someone because the others were very low bar. I can only imagine what our fan base would've done had we hired one of the MAC coaches. IMO, it would rightly be a concern. We have so much more going for our program's trajectory than in any other era. I'm surprised we didn't garner more attention to the job. Why is that? Are there issues behind the scenes that we aren't aware of? I'm neither a pessimist - you guys know I'm glass half full mostly - nor a conspiracist. Something just doesn't feel right about this hire. I hope I can look back in time and declare this was all unfounded.

(12-08-2022 01:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm looking at our coaching search and hire from a broader perspective. I don't know who all was on JC's initial list. The Athletic reported he acknowledged it was less than 'two dozen" and Coach Satterfield was included on that list. What we do know is several candidates either said "not interested" or removed their names from consideration during the process.

The people that were notified they weren't getting the job or who UC wasn't interested did what they do and said "I'm not interested" after it was clear they weren't getting the job. Shocking.

(12-08-2022 01:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm surprised we didn't garner more attention to the job.

There is nothing to suggest there wasn't widespread interest in this job.

(12-08-2022 01:32 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 11:17 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 11:17 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I know one thing for sure is that regardless of what Satterfield does at UC there will be a contingent of UC fans that will never be able to move on from Deion.

For too many it was Deion or bust. I think that's where a lot of the negativity is coming from.

It didn't help when tweets were flying its down to Colorado, Cincy, and USF. He better choose UC from that list right?

Uninformed people throwing out nonsense tweets doesn't mean anything. None of the good reporting suggested either side was particularly interested in the other.

(12-08-2022 01:40 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 01:29 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  This is exactly what Cincy should have done coming off the CFP year, but we got cheap as hell and gave Fickell some crumbs and now wonder why he left. This program can't get out of it's own way after some success.

It's pretty clear with what we know now that Fickell was leaving regardless.

As soon as he missed out on the ND job last year, his path was set.
He was not going to stay at UC past this season regardless.
Any attempts to make it sound like Fickell reluctantly left UC, or that he left because UC didn't do what needed to be done, or that UC tried to play cheap with him just don't hold up.

It really is as clear as day, ain't? When Fickell missed out on the Notre Dame job, he was determined to not miss out again.....This December he was gonna' be in position to jump at any BIG10 or SEC job he could. Wisconsin, Purdue, Nebraska, it didn't matter. New Years Six Bowl or no New Years Six Bowl for the Bearcats, the dude was out of here this December. Might explain a lot as to why our squad appeared to sleep walk through this football season.

(12-08-2022 01:54 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 01:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm looking at our coaching search and hire from a broader perspective. I don't know who all was on JC's initial list. The Athletic reported he acknowledged it was less than 'two dozen" and Coach Satterfield was included on that list. What we do know is several candidates either said "not interested" or removed their names from consideration during the process.

The people that were notified they weren't getting the job or who UC wasn't interested did what they do and said "I'm not interested" after it was clear they weren't getting the job. Shocking.

(12-08-2022 01:51 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I'm surprised we didn't garner more attention to the job.

There is nothing to suggest there wasn't widespread interest in this job.

Define widespread interest and for what level of candidate.

(12-08-2022 02:26 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  It really is as clear as day, ain't? When Fickell missed out on the Notre Dame job, he was determined to not miss out again.....This December he was gonna' be in position to jump at any BIG10 or SEC job he could. Wisconsin, Purdue, Nebraska, it didn't matter. New Years Six Bowl or no New Years Six Bowl for the Bearcats, the dude was out of here this December. Might explain a lot as to why our squad appeared to sleep walk through this football season.

I think it was naive if anyone thought Fickell was unbothered by the ND job. We had been told repeatedly it would be a job he'd want. Instead it went to his former mentee, who left a year prior, because Fickell was preparing UC for what was (to him) probably a futile effort at Alabama. I love UC and if I was rich as hell I'd do everything to build the resources that would make us a powerhouse. Until that day comes we have to be realistic about things, and it would take someone like Gino (a Bearcat lifer) to ward off high major interest and even then, who knows. Satterfield is responsible for much of App State's rise and is an alum. He reached his point too.

Honest question. No "in coach we trust" Pom Poms or "he sucks" axes to grind allowed.

How many here watched several UL games the past couple years and came away thinking they were really well coached?

They looked sloppy this year the few games I watched. Definitely not a staff that caught my eye.

This hire is strange and sets off some dangerous curves ahead warnings. Hope I'm way wrong but I have a feeling we will look back on this in 4 years and won't be super thrilled with the results.

If we aimed higher and just didn't get traction with our top targets, so be it...then I'm fine with him. He is worlds better than the other guys Opie was flirting with.

(12-08-2022 03:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Honest question. No "in coach we trust" Pom Poms or "he sucks" axes to grind allowed.

How many here watched several UL games the past couple years and came away thinking they were really well coached?

They looked sloppy this year the few games I watched. Definitely not a staff that caught my eye.

This hire is strange and sets off some dangerous curves ahead warnings. Hope I'm way wrong but I have a feeling we will look back on this in 4 years and won't be super thrilled with the results.

If we aimed higher and just didn't get traction with our top targets, so be it...then I'm fine with him. He is worlds better than the other guys Opie was flirting with.

How many watched UC games this year and felt we were really well coached? We were the definition of sloppy.

Even back to the Alabama game. Everyone in the country knew Alabama was going to attempt to ram it down our throats, but that we had the cornerbacks to perhaps survive man coverage. So, we throw in some more beef and try to stop the run first, right? Nope, we come out in a 3 linemen, 5 defensive back defense and we get it rammed down our throats.

UC wasn't well coached this year. Our assistant pool was mostly bunk.

(12-08-2022 03:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Honest question. No "in coach we trust" Pom Poms or "he sucks" axes to grind allowed.

How many here watched several UL games the past couple years and came away thinking they were really well coached?

They looked sloppy this year the few games I watched. Definitely not a staff that caught my eye.

This hire is strange and sets off some dangerous curves ahead warnings. Hope I'm way wrong but I have a feeling we will look back on this in 4 years and won't be super thrilled with the results.

If we aimed higher and just didn't get traction with our top targets, so be it...then I'm fine with him. He is worlds better than the other guys Opie was flirting with.

I watched our team this year and didn't think we were well coached, and thought we were sloppy.

(12-08-2022 01:40 PM)namrag Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 01:29 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  This is exactly what Cincy should have done coming off the CFP year, but we got cheap as hell and gave Fickell some crumbs and now wonder why he left. This program can't get out of it's own way after some success.

It's pretty clear with what we know now that Fickell was leaving regardless.

As soon as he missed out on the ND job last year, his path was set.
He was not going to stay at UC past this season regardless.
Any attempts to make it sound like Fickell reluctantly left UC, or that he left because UC didn't do what needed to be done, or that UC tried to play cheap with him just don't hold up.

It's apparent that Fickell was planning to leave well before the last game. I think he realized how hard the job transitioning into the Big12 was going to be. He didn't want to be perceived as a failure so, he made the jump to a P5 program that has all the infrastructure in place.

No hard feelings here. He did what any young coach would do. He still wants OSU and this move will set him up for it.

Coach Satterfield is getting UC ready for the Big12 and I believe he will be successful.

(12-08-2022 03:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Honest question. No "in coach we trust" Pom Poms or "he sucks" axes to grind allowed.

How many here watched several UL games the past couple years and came away thinking they were really well coached?

They looked sloppy this year the few games I watched. Definitely not a staff that caught my eye.

This hire is strange and sets off some dangerous curves ahead warnings. Hope I'm way wrong but I have a feeling we will look back on this in 4 years and won't be super thrilled with the results.

If we aimed higher and just didn't get traction with our top targets, so be it...then I'm fine with him. He is worlds better than the other guys Opie was flirting with.

Who did you want, Herman? Where'd he wind up, I didn't see?