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(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  If a guy is a Fickell-level recruiter but weak on Xs and Os, we will at least be decent. If he’s Belichick-level with Xs and Os, but can’t recruit, we’ll get clobbered. That’s my concern with the Kent State fellow.

If you think about it, any hire in any normal year is at best, a 50-50 gamble on whether it will work out or not. This year the pool of available coaches is pretty thin, so I'd say it's even riskier than a normal year. So if we have to gamble, why not gamble big and go with someone who will get us on the front page of every paper, every sports website and every sports talk show for the next few weeks, and leading up through next season. We be looking at college game day again next year potentially, and even if we don't get a stack of five stars, at least will be in the conversation. It would guarantee that the next couple of recruiting classes would be the best or near the best in school history, and if we keep a decent set of coordinators, the in- game management concerns can be mitigated.

Now is not the time to hire a "no name" coach which will end up with lots of transfers out, and a lost recruiting class. That will make an even longer path to success, meanwhile, the UC brand and cachet, that peaked last year , will fade significantly as we take our lumps in the Big 12 until we get our footing.

Go big or go home.

(12-02-2022 11:22 AM)the_dude Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  If a guy is a Fickell-level recruiter but weak on Xs and Os, we will at least be decent. If he’s Belichick-level with Xs and Os, but can’t recruit, we’ll get clobbered. That’s my concern with the Kent State fellow.

If you think about it, any hire in any normal year is at best, a 50-50 gamble on whether it will work out or not. This year the pool of available coaches is pretty thin, so I'd say it's even riskier than a normal year. So if we have to gamble, why not gamble big and go with someone who will get us on the front page of every paper, every sports website and every sports talk show for the next few weeks, and leading up through next season. We be looking at college game day again next year potentially, and even if we don't get a stack of five stars, at least will be in the conversation. It would guarantee that the next couple of recruiting classes would be the best or near the best in school history, and if we keep a decent set of coordinators, the in- game management concerns can be mitigated.

Now is not the time to hire a "no name" coach which will end up with lots of transfers out, and a lost recruiting class. That will make an even longer path to success, meanwhile, the UC brand and cachet, that peaked last year , will fade significantly as we take our lumps in the Big 12 until we get our footing.

Go big or go home.

Agreed. Recruiting, portal, and NIL will all be well handled by Coach Prime. And he’d bring a lot of attention, fans, and donors. Go for it. Who cares if he leaves. They all leave.

I have no idea if Coach Prime would be a good move or a bad move. But it would be entertaining and upbeat. And we could use some upbeat right now.

The lack of good alternatives also makes Coach Prime more attractive.

(12-02-2022 11:22 AM)the_dude Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  If a guy is a Fickell-level recruiter but weak on Xs and Os, we will at least be decent. If he’s Belichick-level with Xs and Os, but can’t recruit, we’ll get clobbered. That’s my concern with the Kent State fellow.

If you think about it, any hire in any normal year is at best, a 50-50 gamble on whether it will work out or not. This year the pool of available coaches is pretty thin, so I'd say it's even riskier than a normal year. So if we have to gamble, why not gamble big and go with someone who will get us on the front page of every paper, every sports website and every sports talk show for the next few weeks, and leading up through next season. We be looking at college game day again next year potentially, and even if we don't get a stack of five stars, at least will be in the conversation. It would guarantee that the next couple of recruiting classes would be the best or near the best in school history, and if we keep a decent set of coordinators, the in- game management concerns can be mitigated.

Now is not the time to hire a "no name" coach which will end up with lots of transfers out, and a lost recruiting class. That will make an even longer path to success, meanwhile, the UC brand and cachet, that peaked last year , will fade significantly as we take our lumps in the Big 12 until we get our footing.

Go big or go home.

I think Coach Prime would bring UC a lot of publicity and a lot of new fans, which isn't a bad thing. ESPN held a gameday at Jackson State just because of Coach Prime. Who else could have gotten that kind of attention from the national sports media?

Looking at the situation from an alternative view: If the new coach turns out to be a failure i'd feel best about Prime. At least he's a gamble where we absolutely swing for the fences. Also whether he succeeds or fails, he's the mostly likely to leave a roster with a ton of high end talent for the next coach.

(12-02-2022 09:23 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  The only due diligence needed is to measure Coach Prime for a brand new UC track suit and give him a shiny new whistle. :)

Bolded, but what about Deion's deal with UnderArmour for those wanting UC to be all in with Team Jordan/Nike? Should that be a deal breaker?

(12-02-2022 02:50 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  The only due diligence needed is to measure Coach Prime for a brand new UC track suit and give him a shiny new whistle. :)

Bolded, but what about Deion's deal with UnderArmour for those wanting UC to be all in with Team Jordan/Nike? Should that be a deal breaker?

Those people are saying football should go to Under Armour and basketball can go to Jordan because we've apparently got the most valuable apparel property in America or something lol.

Pete Thamel saying Deion going to Colorado.

Just fabulous. Kent State and a 1 year meh OC are coming down the back stretch.

(12-03-2022 02:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Just fabulous. Kent State and a 1 year meh OC are coming down the back stretch.

Bolded, I seriously doubt that's the current candidate pool and to Cunningham's credit, leaks have been minimal at best.

My guess is there is a coach involved in these conference championship games this weekend who may emerge by day's end or sometime tomorrow.

Well, the prediction aspect largely went askew but for the record nobody had Satterfield.

(12-06-2022 02:57 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Well, the prediction aspect largely went askew but for the record nobody had Satterfield.

Cunninham is not predictable thats for sure. Also truly runs a tight ship. Seriously impressive. Not fun for us fans, but a level of professionalism that should pay dividends in future coaching searches.

It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

(12-06-2022 08:54 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

I don't know that he would have done this to the same extent at UC, but why I wasn't on the Coach Prime train for UC is pretty simple. I view Coach Prime as a disrupter to the entire college football system and how it works (and I'm not saying this as a bad thing). He is going about things a complete new way. If you're Colorado, who has been a disaster for a long time, why wouldn't you embrace this and see just how effective what Prime is doing will be.

I think there is a winning formula at UC that Colorado doesn't have. I don't think UC needs what Prime is doing and he increases the risk to UC and the way they've been successful. Since Dantonio any coach that has put in the work, recruited hard locally, and been solid/good coach has been varying degrees of successful. Dantonio had success. Jones had success (and I don't think Jones was anything more than an above average coach). Kelly and Fickell both had elite success with completely different styles. Competent coaches that put in the work at UC are likely to be successful. We didn't need to try something drastic. We needed a smart, responsible hire.

(12-06-2022 08:54 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

I think Dantonio might have done the same thing?

(12-06-2022 09:06 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 08:54 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

I think Dantonio might have done the same thing?

I don't know about that, since Dantonio recruited heavily in OH and the Cincinnati area.

(12-06-2022 09:20 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 09:06 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 08:54 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

I think Dantonio might have done the same thing?

I don't know about that, since Dantonio recruited heavily in OH and the Cincinnati area.

He alienated the Harrison High School Coach. The player had little time to find a new school and ended up in the MAC (I think Ohio U). I understand why incoming coaches do it, but it's a dick move IMO.

Pitt did that to another local recruit during a coaching change and that High School Head Coach would not let Pitt recruit on campus until after that coach left Pitt.

(12-06-2022 09:20 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 09:06 AM)cmhcat Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 08:54 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

I think Dantonio might have done the same thing?

I don't know about that, since Dantonio recruited heavily in OH and the Cincinnati area.

https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/sports...187f8.html

Quote:Dantonio, the former Ohio State defensive coordinator, told all Bearcats oral commitments that their scholarship offers have been revoked.

He told many of the players face to face when the athletes made their official recruiting visits this month.

(12-06-2022 09:05 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 08:54 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  It's been reported that Coach Prime has told every Univ Colorado commitment to start looking for a new school. If he had come to UC and did the same thing, he would have made enemies with many HS programs in this area and OH in general. That would have been bad for Cincinnati. It was reported many years ago that TT did some similar things when he took over in Cincinnati, which put us in a bad light going forward with some HS programs in this area.

I don't know that he would have done this to the same extent at UC, but why I wasn't on the Coach Prime train for UC is pretty simple. I view Coach Prime as a disrupter to the entire college football system and how it works (and I'm not saying this as a bad thing). He is going about things a complete new way. If you're Colorado, who has been a disaster for a long time, why wouldn't you embrace this and see just how effective what Prime is doing will be.

I think there is a winning formula at UC that Colorado doesn't have. I don't think UC needs what Prime is doing and he increases the risk to UC and the way they've been successful. Since Dantonio any coach that has put in the work, recruited hard locally, and been solid/good coach has been varying degrees of successful. Dantonio had success. Jones had success (and I don't think Jones was anything more than an above average coach). Kelly and Fickell both had elite success with completely different styles. Competent coaches that put in the work at UC are likely to be successful. We didn't need to try something drastic. We needed a smart, responsible hire.

This is a great point.

Deion will do better with a program in need of a total rebuild. A program that has a recent winning tradition doesn't need to be rebuilt.

Although it's a bit more of a challenge for him in snobby, snow-white Boulder.... that's another question. I think he would have been better off at a place like Rutgers or Georgia Tech.