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(11-29-2022 10:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 10:33 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 09:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 09:39 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  ^^^^
What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I'd be completely in favor of Matt Campbell, who's arguably the most successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 50 years. Seriously, he's the only head coach since Earle Bruce in the 1970's to post a winning record over their tenure in Ames; that's how hard that job is.

I mean, Iowa State averaged a hair over 4 wins per season in the 30 years prior to Campbell taking the job. During his time there Iowa State averaged 7 wins per season before being rife with injuries this season, including the only top 10 finish in school history. I don't think people realize how difficult of a job Iowa State is (you have to convince recruits to play in AMES, IOWA for goodness sake) and appreciate the kind of success Campbell has had there.

Get Campbell back in his home state, give him the same resources he had at Iowa State, which he will once UC is in the Big 12, allow him to focus on the same 100-mile radius Fickell did, convince players that they can come to a large city with lots of things to do, show them this rabid fanbase and the IPF renderings and make that transition to the Big 12 all the smoother.

Great stuff. Yea, that's what I'm talking about. It's so weird to me that people look at every job as if its the same. Degree of difficulty is something we should really look at when evaluating coaches.

Campbell already knows the B12 inside and out. Not like he has to learn his conference foes from scratch.

But the real question is, does Matt Campbell love Ohio, and will that love keep Him here forever and ever?

Assuming Urban is off the table, I hope we take someone young and on the way up. If he’s successful and leaves in 3 years, who cares? They all leave. Success is what you want.

(11-30-2022 05:40 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Assuming Urban is off the table, I hope we take someone young and on the way up. If he’s successful and leaves in 3 years, who cares? They all leave. Success is what you want.

UC has the opportunity to move from a coaching "stepping stone" to "destination" and it starts with THIS hire.

We need an established coach, not an "up and comer". Someone who will stay and take this program into the Big12 and make it championship caliber. Not just polish their resume so they can move on.

(11-30-2022 07:18 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 05:40 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Assuming Urban is off the table, I hope we take someone young and on the way up. If he’s successful and leaves in 3 years, who cares? They all leave. Success is what you want.

UC has the opportunity to move from a coaching "stepping stone" to "destination" and it starts with THIS hire.

We need an established coach, not an "up and comer". Someone who will stay and take this program into the Big12 and make it championship caliber. Not just polish their resume so they can move on.

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Please, no more "up and comers" who up and go after a few yraes, An established coach is needed.

Please more "Up and comers" who are super motivated to win and move the program forward. Then when they leave. Please find another.

(11-30-2022 07:18 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 05:40 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Assuming Urban is off the table, I hope we take someone young and on the way up. If he’s successful and leaves in 3 years, who cares? They all leave. Success is what you want.

UC has the opportunity to move from a coaching "stepping stone" to "destination" and it starts with THIS hire.

We need an established coach, not an "up and comer". Someone who will stay and take this program into the Big12 and make it championship caliber. Not just polish their resume so they can move on.

i tend to agree. post TT, when CLF came onboard, uc needed a (re)builder. today is a different dynamic. You need to go big, to keep current kids and commits from leaving en masse. you need to go big, as coming off of the playoff bid, and going into the B12, you're no longer a second rate, G5 school that nobody, nationally, gives a **** about.

i get that uc may wind up going the "young guy" route, but, i really think that'll will be something of a step back. not to say it couldn't work out, but, why take the risk, if you don't need to.

When was the last time it worked for us hiring an established coach?

(11-30-2022 08:43 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  When was the last time it worked for us hiring an established coach?

Brian Kelly and Butch Jones

I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

(11-30-2022 08:43 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  When was the last time it worked for us hiring an established coach?

Not sure what the definition of "established coach" is, but I get where you are going with it. We don't want some old tired re-tread with no motivation who is looking for one last pay day before retirement. But I think most people are hoping for someone with previous (successful) HC experience. Not an up and coming coordinator. I posted this earlier, but since 1977 UC has only hired two guys who were never head coaches. Minter and Dantonio.

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach or a top assistant until this season. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Completely devoid of all context. Brian Kelly was barely over .500 at Central Michigan. Dig a little deeper.

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Kent State has had 9 games against Top 15 teams in the last 4 years...so adjust that schedule a bit. We don't need to make a splash, we need to make a hire that will do well here.

I'm guessing you're thinking a WR coach who has no playcalling experience and very little evidence that he can individually recruit or develop talent is your top choice? Or is it the TV personality who will not come here? Or the guy who is more toxic than the grass in northern Ukraine?

(11-30-2022 09:26 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Kent State has had 9 games against Top 15 teams in the last 4 years...so adjust that schedule a bit. We don't need to make a splash, we need to make a hire that will do well here.

I'm guessing you're thinking a WR coach who has no playcalling experience and very little evidence that he can individually recruit or develop talent is your top choice? Or is it the TV personality who will not come here? Or the guy who is more toxic than the grass in northern Ukraine?

No. I'm not in the Hartline camp if that is what you're referring. Look, we're all going to have an idea of what a coach should be moving forward. We aren't an unknown brand anymore. Our profile has been raised a great deal. If we settle for a guy that couldn't run a consistent offense/questionable play calling or a guy with a losing record at a MAC school [24-31 to be exact] then that is a BIGLY disappointment and a poor reflection on our program. It would make me seriously consider to turn my time and attention to other things.

(11-30-2022 09:36 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:26 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Kent State has had 9 games against Top 15 teams in the last 4 years...so adjust that schedule a bit. We don't need to make a splash, we need to make a hire that will do well here.

I'm guessing you're thinking a WR coach who has no playcalling experience and very little evidence that he can individually recruit or develop talent is your top choice? Or is it the TV personality who will not come here? Or the guy who is more toxic than the grass in northern Ukraine?

No. I'm not in the Hartline camp if that is what you're referring. Look, we're all going to have an idea of what a coach should be moving forward. We aren't an unknown brand anymore. Our profile has been raised a great deal. If we settle for a guy that couldn't run a consistent offense/questionable play calling or a guy with a losing record at a MAC school [24-31 to be exact] then that is a BIGLY disappointment and a poor reflection on our program. It would make me seriously consider to turn my time and attention to other things.

Bolded, I understand your concern and will only share that I don't believe there is any way Cunningham sells our program short and hires anyone who lacks both the will to and the ability to deliver results in the P5. Whether that means previous P5 experience or not is TBD. This is now a big job--bigger than the one Fickell accepted six seasons ago. With the available resources and a Big 12 season just nine months away, we should expect to hire very well. I expect it will get done in the next seven days with more substantive information leaking even sooner on top contenders.

(11-30-2022 09:26 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Kent State has had 9 games against Top 15 teams in the last 4 years...so adjust that schedule a bit. We don't need to make a splash, we need to make a hire that will do well here.

I'm guessing you're thinking a WR coach who has no playcalling experience and very little evidence that he can individually recruit or develop talent is your top choice? Or is it the TV personality who will not come here? Or the guy who is more toxic than the grass in northern Ukraine?

Isn't the TV personality and the toxic guy the same person?...Urban?

(11-30-2022 09:47 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:36 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:26 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Kent State has had 9 games against Top 15 teams in the last 4 years...so adjust that schedule a bit. We don't need to make a splash, we need to make a hire that will do well here.

I'm guessing you're thinking a WR coach who has no playcalling experience and very little evidence that he can individually recruit or develop talent is your top choice? Or is it the TV personality who will not come here? Or the guy who is more toxic than the grass in northern Ukraine?

No. I'm not in the Hartline camp if that is what you're referring. Look, we're all going to have an idea of what a coach should be moving forward. We aren't an unknown brand anymore. Our profile has been raised a great deal. If we settle for a guy that couldn't run a consistent offense/questionable play calling or a guy with a losing record at a MAC school [24-31 to be exact] then that is a BIGLY disappointment and a poor reflection on our program. It would make me seriously consider to turn my time and attention to other things.

Bolded, I understand your concern and will only share that I don't believe there is any way Cunningham sells our program short and hires anyone who lacks both the will to and the ability to deliver results in the P5. Whether that means previous P5 experience or not is TBD. This is now a big job--bigger than the one Fickell accepted six seasons ago. With the available resources and a Big 12 season just nine months away, we should expect to hire very well. I expect it will get done in the next seven days with more substantive information leaking even sooner on top contenders.

I'd also add onto this that Cunningham showed with the basketball coaching hire that he's more than willing to cast a VERY wide net and run the gamut of candidates. I'm sure we'll see the same thing with the football search as well; several names tied to the open job, several names that will "interview", but it's anyone's guess as to how those coaches rank in the eyes of JC.

(11-30-2022 09:26 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:23 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I have a feeling it will end up being either Sean Lewis or Gino and I'd be fine with either.

I won't. Sean Lewis who has a losing record at Kent State? That sounds like a hire we'd make if we were a middlin' AAC team. Gino has never been a head coach. We are coming off a CFP run, dominating our conference until the last few games of this season, and about to enter the B12. If that's all the splash we can make then we've got bigger problems.

Kent State has had 9 games against Top 15 teams in the last 4 years...so adjust that schedule a bit. We don't need to make a splash, we need to make a hire that will do well here.

I'm guessing you're thinking a WR coach who has no playcalling experience and very little evidence that he can individually recruit or develop talent is your top choice? Or is it the TV personality who will not come here? Or the guy who is more toxic than the grass in northern Ukraine?

Gino doesn't have the resume to be qualified to get a HC gig in the MAC. Of course he's going to be our guy.

(11-30-2022 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 08:43 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  When was the last time it worked for us hiring an established coach?

Brian Kelly and Butch Jones

They were fast rising "up & comers) making the jump from DII to the MAC and then UC. I'd rather have the big name assistant from a proven program. You have a chance of getting a dud no matter which route you take. Let's just wait and see. It seems like the AD knows what he's looking for and isn't unprepared for this process.

UC needs an established coach who still has the "fire in his belly". Someone who wants to enhance his legacy, not his resume. I don't know if Cunningham, within his hiring parameters, can find such a person. I hope so.