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You pretty much got what you’d expect from the rest of the roster outside of DDJ and Nolley (50 pts, 19-41 FG). Getting a disinterested 3 total points from your top two scorers that average 34 PPG is how you get blown out.

(11-22-2022 07:31 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:23 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Thanks Brannen for mid major players!

Miller has had ample opportunity to recruit from the portal and ease Brannen’s players out. Now if you want to blame a weak NIL deal, you might have a point.

Davenport, Dejulius, and Mika can’t graduate soon enough and still are the core of the team. Appreciate their contributions but none have the talent or in some cases Basketball IQ to compete with any resemblance of legit competition on a consistent basis throughout a full season let alone for one full game out of a season.

With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

(11-22-2022 07:31 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:24 PM)skyblade Wrote:  Lack of effort is my biggest complaint. Mick Cronin was great at getting guys who gave it their all, played smart and found ways to beat more talented teams with effort.

We have Nolley and Davenport who give it 80% on a good day. DDJ/Phinisee (and MAW to a lesser extent) who just don't have the size/athleticism to compete with high level talent. Kalu who looks like he should be a bench player in the MAC. Lakhin is the only guy who plays hard and has the talent to make plays. Skllings/Reed have potential, but aren't there yet, they do at least go after rebounds like they care. Hensley seems to have been put in the doghouse (I'd guess also for poor rebounding).

Wes needs to figure out a way to motivate players, even if that means sitting them on the bench. Can't just keep accepting lack of effort, poor decision making and poor shot selection.

When you have inferior talent, you win by defense first. This team D is atrocious two years in a row and in my view Wes has them playing out of position. Lots of helter skelter. How many times that give and go back door cut worked the last two games. Sure sign of undisciplined D.

He needs to commit to it. If you don't defend and rebound, you don't play. Bench Nolley and Davenport for a game and see if that changes their mindsets. Skillings and Reed at least give it their all.

Go big, burn Sage's redshirt play him at the 5 and Lakhin or Ody at the 4. Something needs to change. Can't just let guys lolligag and stay in the game.

It's clear a healthy Newman was of huge importance to this team. A wing who defends at a high level and gives it his all for every loose ball is something we desperately need.

(11-22-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

(11-22-2022 07:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

(11-22-2022 07:32 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  You pretty much got what you’d expect from the rest of the roster outside of DDJ and Nolley (50 pts, 19-41 FG). Getting a disinterested 3 total points from your top two scorers that average 34 PPG is how you get blown out.

That was definitely the most frustrating part.

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

Quentin Grimes grew up 8 miles from the Fertita Center.

Last year, after Houston had been a Top 10 team for the better part of 3 seasons, they were able to pull people from Texas Tech and UConn.

Again, Houston didn't build from the portal...they reloaded last season because of it.

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

He got Houston there in year 4

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:44 PM)doss2 Wrote:  With the transfer two years is enough time for a big coach to turn things around. No Love for Miller.

I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

My wife said UC must really suck this year again because I don't yell at the TV when I watch anymore.

She's right. This program is saddening.

Imagine how good Isaiah Collier must feel about his decision right now.

(11-22-2022 08:36 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  My wife said UC must really suck this year again because I don't yell at the TV when I watch anymore.

She's right. This program is saddening.

Mine (former college basketball player who grew up not watching sports and had no affinity for the Bearcats) was yelling at the TV all night while I sat back and laughed. I don't know how to feel about it lol.

(11-22-2022 08:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 07:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think a lot of people need to understand that no quality recruit is choosing to play on ESPN+ for 14 games a year in the AAC over literally any other better option.

The guys Miller targeted and lost in the transfer portal the last two years have been impact guys on better teams in much better conferences...if you can't recognize where UC is as a basketball program RIGHT NOW, you'll never be able to understand how long this is going to take to correct.

It's very likely we pull some much better transfers after this season simply by us being in the Big 12...but that's going to be a meat grinder like the old big east, so who knows how much we will need.

Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

It's weird how Houston and Memphis can recruit to the AAC but UC can't. Those guys are playing on ESPN+

(11-22-2022 08:42 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

It's weird how Houston and Memphis can recruit to the AAC but UC can't. Those guys are playing on ESPN+

Houston is recruiting to a program that has actually made it to the Final Four in the last 30 years and in a WAY more talent rich market than Cincinnati and Memphis was dirty as can be prior to NIL (the Wiseman situation and the Bates situation are clear as day) with a coach that has cache with everyone, despite being terrible. Cincinnati is irrelevant to this generation of recruits...sad but true. Luckily, we are going to a conference that changes that, as evidenced by our getting involved with quite a few Top 50 recruits (including 3 commits in the last two cycles).

(11-22-2022 08:42 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:08 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Good thing Sampson didn’t see your post before rebuilding Houston.

Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

It's weird how Houston and Memphis can recruit to the AAC but UC can't. Those guys are playing on ESPN+

Along with San Diego St to the MWC (remember they beat OSU last night), and Gonzaga and St Mary’s to the WCC.

Basketball is not football.

(11-22-2022 08:51 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:42 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

It's weird how Houston and Memphis can recruit to the AAC but UC can't. Those guys are playing on ESPN+

Along with San Diego St to the MWC (remember they beat OSU last night), and Gonzaga and St Mary’s to the WCC.

Basketball is not football.

Winners win, Losers make excuses.

I am done with excuses for why this team stinks. It’s on the coach to fix it. Play with an identity, build a culture, or get out.

(11-22-2022 08:51 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:42 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:22 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Houston has two players who weren't recruited to Houston as high school seniors. One from Louisiana-Lafayette and one from Charleston Southern.

That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

It's weird how Houston and Memphis can recruit to the AAC but UC can't. Those guys are playing on ESPN+

Along with San Diego St to the MWC (remember they beat OSU last night), and Gonzaga and St Mary’s to the WCC.

Basketball is not football.

Ooooo ooooo oooo let me take this one!!!!

Gonzaga has made the Sweet Sixteen every year since 2012, coincidently, the last time we made one...they didn't start pulling top recruits until about 4-5 years ago, after they made their 2nd Final Four in 4 years.

St. Mary's hasn't had a class ranked in the Top 60 in, well, ever. So they don't recruit well, they have an insanely good coach.

San Diego St. is the only one that has drawn great talent without pedigree. I'm sure it has nothing to with being in literally the most temperate place in America, the largest state with the best basketball at the HS level in the country, and having a 2 time NBA MVP and current NBA stat as an alum,

The only common thread is that all of those schools, along with Houston, gave their coaches time to build something, rather than calling for their head 36 games into their tenure.

(11-22-2022 08:57 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:51 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:42 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 08:25 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  That’s now. Sampson used the portal effectively during his rebuild.

The portal didn't exist during his rebuild.

The first year portal existed was the year after he made the Sweet Sixteen, and he added one player (Quentin Grimes, who was from the next neighborhood over from UH) and made the Final Four.

If you think Cincinnati (or anyone) in the AAC is going to pull high quality transfers without any other significant connective tissue, you've got no clue.

It's weird how Houston and Memphis can recruit to the AAC but UC can't. Those guys are playing on ESPN+

Along with San Diego St to the MWC (remember they beat OSU last night), and Gonzaga and St Mary’s to the WCC.

Basketball is not football.

Winners win, Losers make excuses.

I am done with excuses for why this team stinks. It’s on the coach to fix it. Play with an identity, build a culture, or get out.

We agree.

This team does ******* suck. Some of us felt that way before the season, others have unrealistic expectations or a lack of understanding for where Cincinnati is in the pecking order right now. Not making excuses, just giving the why.

I think we will be able to build up rather quickly in the Big 12 for the same reasons we haven't been able to through the portal in the AAC. An opportunity to compete at the highest level.

You guys want a cohesive unit, but you want us to get one year mercenaries. You guys want to compare us to programs who have immeasurably more success than we do right now, but don't want to go through the struggles they all had to get there. You guys want to have a coach who is a consistent winner, but you don't want to give them any time to build a program from literally nothing. Some of you would've fired Huggins in the middle of his second season too. Miller may suck...but I'm willing to give him time to prove it, not ask for his keys 14 months after taking the reigns of a team with 3 scholarship players on the roster.

The problem is people not knowing where we stand and not accepting that this is going to be a long and probably pretty tough path for back to the pace we want to be.