It is very possible we don't win another game this year if we don't beat Western.

The offensive line is horrid. Absolutely horrid. If Candle had a pair, he'd fire the dumb SOB that has screwed up the OL since he came to the program - TONIGHT. It was embarrassing to watch BG manhandle the line all night long. I would expect Hallett to be down there screaming at them to give the QB some protection. If he did that, they interpreted that as "I need to hold them to stop them" It was like we had 5 linemen blocking for completely different plays and letting guys run right past them. Then the center still hasn't figure out how to get the ball up to the chest of the QB on the snaps for an entire game. How is it we are STILL struggling with that? The BG line was on top of Gleason the entire first half before he had a chance to adjust the ball in his grip. They also had 1 blocked punt for a TD, then nearly blocked another that miraculously got off the punter's foot for a positive punt of about 30 yards. Lucky as hell on that one. Another near sack ended up in an interception.

To sum it up, outcoached from the opening kick-off. My opinion of the DC and Co-DC (or whatever it is they have while NOT having OC) has dropped to a 3 on a scale of 1-10. Mentioned above - but 3rd and 15 and you let a receiver get behind you when you only have 3 guys rushing??? If Hines hadn't sacked McDonald, BG had a guy wide open that would have had enough yards to get them in FG position for the win. Then we wouldn't have had to watch the how poorly we tackle.

We'll make the ESPN highlights - again. I guess the embarrassment against Western when we blew a chance for the MAC West wasn't enough.

I'm just disgusted. Glad I didn't drive down to witness that in person.

I was thinking before it would be great if BG beats Ohio so we get another shot at BG. Now I'm not sure I want that. It would also mean Buffalo would have to lose to Kent State. So maybe we get that rivalry.

Will be interesting to see if Rourke is able to play next week.

I used to love watching Rocket Football. I've lived and breathed it every fall for over 30 years. But the way we've played since 2017, with the poor execution, soul sucking late season collapses, loses in the Glass Bowl, and the under performing over all team is completely taking the fun out of it. For the first time ever I'm finding myself looking for other things to do with my time and disposable income.

I watch a decent amount of football every year and nobody like the Rockets find ways to lose ballgames and continually shoot themselves in the foot. It's just not a fun or watchable brand of entertainment. Its painful spotting teams 21 points before deciding to play.

On the flip side, I'm excited about the basketball team.

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A better offensive line wins this game. The o-line that did such a great job of giving Finn time last week, disappeared this week. Poor pass protection, an inability to run the ball, and repeated snaps off of the carpet were problematic all game long. Toledo could have ran more time off of the clock before trying to score, but I'm not sure you can count on this o-line to give you the hole or push needed. A better o-line gives UT a 15 plus point win.

My thoughts after being at the game:

Sure miss having a feature running back.

Never have seen such bad tackling in one game. Seemed like a couple of dozen missed tackles at least.

How many times did Gleason play shortstop catching rolling balls from the center? I was surprised he was able to pick them up and complete the pass.

Offensive line play is still not acceptable.

I had thought that our defense would carry us this year. Talent is better on that side of the ball. Didn’t show it tonight.

Play calling was unimaginative in the first half especially. Running the ball up the gut when the defense expects it is not going to get you first downs.

Looks like we have 2 good quarterbacks.

For the life of me, can’t we come up with a better punting scheme. I have to close my eyes every time we have to punt.

Hope we figure out how to play better soon.

We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

(11-16-2022 12:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

The new AD has to demand it. We may be stuck with Candle's contract, but the AD should tell him today that it won't be renewed. Candle thinks he's a genius, but in reality he doesn't know how to be a head coach. I don't care what the final score against BG was, Candle didn't have his players ready to play. Now we have two injured quarterbacks who are hurt because of the beatings they take behind one of the worst offensive lines at UT, EVER. The whole situation makes me sick.

And then there's this quote from Candle after the game, "It was a great football game to watch.." For who, someone who is living in Hell?

(11-16-2022 03:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 12:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

The new AD has to demand it. We may be stuck with Candle's contract, but the AD should tell him today that it won't be renewed. Candle thinks he's a genius, but in reality he doesn't know how to be a head coach. I don't care what the final score against BG was, Candle didn't have his players ready to play. Now we have two injured quarterbacks who are hurt because of the beatings they take behind one of the worst offensive lines at UT, EVER. The whole situation makes me sick.

And then there's this quote from Candle after the game, "It was a great football game to watch.." For who, someone who is living in Hell?

What a quote. That was a terribly played game between two bad teams. Have friends that have no rooting interest that watch these teams and think the quality of play is garbage. Only person that showed great heart was the qb. Broke his hand early cause the o line can’t block anyone and somehow made plays despite getting killed all night and with receivers dropping balls left and right.

(11-16-2022 06:20 AM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 03:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 12:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

The new AD has to demand it. We may be stuck with Candle's contract, but the AD should tell him today that it won't be renewed. Candle thinks he's a genius, but in reality he doesn't know how to be a head coach. I don't care what the final score against BG was, Candle didn't have his players ready to play. Now we have two injured quarterbacks who are hurt because of the beatings they take behind one of the worst offensive lines at UT, EVER. The whole situation makes me sick.

And then there's this quote from Candle after the game, "It was a great football game to watch.." For who, someone who is living in Hell?

What a quote. That was a terribly played game between two bad teams. Have friends that have no rooting interest that watch these teams and think the quality of play is garbage. Only person that showed great heart was the qb. Broke his hand early cause the o line can’t block anyone and somehow made plays despite getting killed all night and with receivers dropping balls left and right.

I agree. It was ugly out there lastnight

Is it still possible for bgSUCKS to make the CCG?

(11-16-2022 09:20 AM)Babes boy Wrote:  Is it still possible for bgSUCKS to make the CCG?

BG has to beat Ohio and hope Buffalo loses to either Akron or Kent.

(11-16-2022 09:18 AM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 06:20 AM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 03:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 12:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

The new AD has to demand it. We may be stuck with Candle's contract, but the AD should tell him today that it won't be renewed. Candle thinks he's a genius, but in reality he doesn't know how to be a head coach. I don't care what the final score against BG was, Candle didn't have his players ready to play. Now we have two injured quarterbacks who are hurt because of the beatings they take behind one of the worst offensive lines at UT, EVER. The whole situation makes me sick.

And then there's this quote from Candle after the game, "It was a great football game to watch.." For who, someone who is living in Hell?

What a quote. That was a terribly played game between two bad teams. Have friends that have no rooting interest that watch these teams and think the quality of play is garbage. Only person that showed great heart was the qb. Broke his hand early cause the o line can’t block anyone and somehow made plays despite getting killed all night and with receivers dropping balls left and right.

I agree. It was ugly out there lastnight

It was fugly!

(11-16-2022 03:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 12:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

The new AD has to demand it. We may be stuck with Candle's contract, but the AD should tell him today that it won't be renewed. Candle thinks he's a genius, but in reality he doesn't know how to be a head coach. I don't care what the final score against BG was, Candle didn't have his players ready to play. Now we have two injured quarterbacks who are hurt because of the beatings they take behind one of the worst offensive lines at UT, EVER. The whole situation makes me sick.

And then there's this quote from Candle after the game, "It was a great football game to watch.." For who, someone who is living in Hell?

Two great teams playing flawlessly.

(11-15-2022 11:41 PM)emanoh Wrote:  I used to love watching Rocket Football. I've lived and breathed it every fall for over 30 years. But the way we've played since 2017, with the poor execution, soul sucking late season collapses, loses in the Glass Bowl, and the under performing over all team is completely taking the fun out of it. For the first time ever I'm finding myself looking for other things to do with my time and disposable income.

I watch a decent amount of football every year and nobody like the Rockets find ways to lose ballgames and continually shoot themselves in the foot. It's just not a fun or watchable brand of entertainment. Its painful spotting teams 21 points before deciding to play.

On the flip side, I'm excited about the basketball team.

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I hear ya. No games could be attended in 2020, last year I went to all the home games. This year I have been to 1 home game. Just can't get motivated to give up 8 hours of my day on a Saturday (or on cold November weekday nights) to go and get pissed off at what I am watching.

We are at a crossroads. BG looked big and fast, yet they were blown out at home against Kent State 40-6, a team we beat by 20 points after falling behind by 21 (if I remember correctly). Same thing happened in this game. Down 21-0 then come back to take the lead at 35-34 (outscored them 35-13) only to lose it on some of the worst defensive play possible. I take back everything I said about this being the best defense in a long time. Well, I guess the sad part is - it still is the best defense at Toledo in a long time.

(11-16-2022 06:20 AM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 03:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 12:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  We have 3 games left; well, probably 3, although if we lose both the WMU game and again in Detroit, I’d hope brighter minds in the athletic department would pass on a 3rd tier bowl game in Dubuque, Iowa. In any event, I really don’t see this team winning more than 8 games when all is said and done. Which sounds nice, since we’ve grown used to 6 & 7 win seasons, but that also would mean as many as 6 losses, and 8-6 ain’t anything special. The mediocrity that this fan base accepts even though Toledo has all the resources to own the MAC is mind boggling. But nothing will change unless the fan base demands it. That’s just the simple truth.

The new AD has to demand it. We may be stuck with Candle's contract, but the AD should tell him today that it won't be renewed. Candle thinks he's a genius, but in reality he doesn't know how to be a head coach. I don't care what the final score against BG was, Candle didn't have his players ready to play. Now we have two injured quarterbacks who are hurt because of the beatings they take behind one of the worst offensive lines at UT, EVER. The whole situation makes me sick.

And then there's this quote from Candle after the game, "It was a great football game to watch.." For who, someone who is living in Hell?

What a quote. That was a terribly played game between two bad teams. Have friends that have no rooting interest that watch these teams and think the quality of play is garbage. Only person that showed great heart was the qb. Broke his hand early cause the o line can’t block anyone and somehow made plays despite getting killed all night and with receivers dropping balls left and right.

Well heck—that explains everything. Candle was watching the game instead of coaching it.

What would you do if you were named coach tomorrow and for all of next season:

1) Put Candle in the booth as OC. See how that goes to determine if he comes back next year. Or cut ties completely before next year and get an OC that can do the job.
2) Get rid of 1 of one of the Co-Defensive Coordinators. Or move Kuligowski to OL coach and give him an additional title for the ego. He likely will not stay much longer anyway. Not sure of the arrangement, but I don't think he moved up to Toledo area.
3) Fire Hallett (probably 1st move now that I think about it). He is also Co-Offensive Coordinator. WTF?? Didn't realize that until now. That explains a lot.
4) Determine if Weiner is the right guy to be a Co-OC or the new OC by himself. At least keep him as QB coach. From what I see from Gleason, he was taught a lot in HS.
5) Make a decision on Finn vs. Gleason. In my mind, Gleason is the guy I would want for the future. Better passer, can run enough to get first downs and bruise his way over the secondary trying to stop him. I wouldn't make that decision now, but both will be made aware the competition for the #1 spot starts over and the incumbent does not get the job because he earned it last year. Maybe they both stay, but if one were to leave - I'm thinking right now I wouldn't want it to be Gleason. He is as close to a pure passer we have had since Woodside - and a much better athlete than Woodside. He could step in as a middle linebacker if he wanted. And he may have to next year...
6) Find the motivational guy. From what I read earlier, maybe it is Boone. Finn seems to have that ability, and likely others. Make those guys the captains and tell them what they have to focus on - including sideline antics where guys are not paying attention to the game and being engaged. Why let them dress if they are just going to goof off?
7) Start recruiting heavy for OL. Not sure what you can do to interest portal guys at big programs that are not playing -but it is the fastest way to get players that can step into the job. This has a lot of components to it and much too long to list all that I would be looking at. This also needs to be higher on priorities.

The MACC is the most important thing. I couldn't watch the game, and haven't looked at the participation list, but maybe the coaches were holding some guys back the get/keep them healthy for the MACC? Remember, in '01 we got stomped at The Doyt 21-56. Bolden did not play. We had six turnovers, four fumbles, and never led. We went on to win the MACC and the MCB.

Not the same caliber team by any stretch, and it sucks losing--especially the way we did, but we're still in the MACC. BGSux and Ohio face off on the 22nd. With everybody ready to go the MACC could be a good game.

Could....

embarrassing performance all around -hoping coaches can get the ship back on course or it could be a really ugly end to season with MACC and bowl losses

what the hell was going on out there, rush three drop 8 like SDSU..DEf getting worse by the game. .OL coach should be let go immediately, listening to Andy Boyd he knows UT is inept . JC's team plays like he coaches, like they are in church.... (nothing against organized religion)

After a couple of days, I'm over the disappointment from the game. Still wondering how they fix the OL issues. It's not just the Toledo fans that are noticing the O-line problems. Kind of hard to hide it when a lot of people tuned in to that game, even people up here north of Detroit that had no connection to UT or BG thought the Toledo O-line was the weakest part of the team.

And Western wins up in Mt. Pleasant. So they will come out fired up for Toledo on the 25th at home. Tough to tell much from that game that looked like it was played on an oversized hockey rink.

I’m not over it. I’m just slowly getting to the point where I no longer care. I imagine others in the fan base are having similar thoughts. That may lead to dropping season tickets especially if Candle is given an extension. I love the university. I love Rocket athletics but I live an hour and a half away and I’m not going to get excited about mediocrity when you’ve been mediocre almost your entire tenure as a coach. Same goes for Rocket basketball. Show me something above and beyond. I’ve got too many other things in my life to just buy and donate my time and money just because I’m an alum and a fan.