(09-07-2022 03:25 PM)Poster Wrote:  Must be a sign that the Big 10 is going to add Oregon, Washington and possibly Stanford and Cal. The Big 12 can't raid the current version of the PAC.

I would not be surprised by either Washington and Oregon, or Washington and Stanford. I wouldn't hazard a guess which one -- internal Big Ten politics is weird, sometimes.

3 doesn't make sense and I keep struggling to see how adding both Stanford and Cal makes sense.

Arizona and SDSU are the best fits for his basketball requirement.

(09-07-2022 05:34 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Arizona and SDSU are the best fits for his basketball requirement.

Boise State would be the best fit culturally

(09-07-2022 05:34 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:34 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Arizona and SDSU are the best fits for his basketball requirement.

Boise State would be the best fit culturally

That's interesting. What is the culture of the Big 12 now that they have added Cincy, Houston, UCF and BYU? The culture fit for the original Big 12 members that remain is pretty identifiable, but now?

(09-07-2022 03:11 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  https://twitter.com/williams_justin/stat...8379209729

Fourth time zone likely refers to the Arizona schools that are on Pacific time until the rest of the country "falls back" on November 6.

It’s minor, but Arizona will be on California time from realignment to the end of the century.

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:53 PM)Poster Wrote:  With that being said, the SMU and SDSU to the PAC threads (and the threads claiming the Big 10 is done expanding) will probably continue on this website for about another week. Because some of this website will think the PAC isn’t finished until it’s officially announced in a week or so. People will act like Iowa’s opinion seriously matters in Big 10 expansion.

But would SMU and SDSU head for a Pac12 like this----

Wash St
Oregon St
Possibly Cal if ND joins the Big10
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
UTSA
New Mexico
One of Wyoming, CSU, Tulsa, or Utah St. I'd also invite Wichita and Zags.

I think they would.

I see no reason why Cal wouldn’t get picked up by the Big 12 if they don’t get picked by the Big 10.


There seems to be some conflicting information about whether WSU and Oregon State could keep alive a 2 member PAC due to the NCAA tournament credit rules.

Cals not really very valuable and its really far away. You'd have to give up taking one of either Arizona, ASU, CSU, or Utah to grab Cal. I dont see it. Im a little surprised the Big10 is interested in taking them. No way they have 100 million+ TV value.

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:25 PM)Poster Wrote:  Must be a sign that the Big 10 is going to add Oregon, Washington and possibly Stanford and Cal. The Big 12 can't raid the current version of the PAC.

I would not be surprised by either Washington and Oregon, or Washington and Stanford. I wouldn't hazard a guess which one -- internal Big Ten politics is weird, sometimes.

3 doesn't make sense and I keep struggling to see how adding both Stanford and Cal makes sense.

All the reports that I’ve seen say that Washington and Oregon are the Big 10’s first two preferences from the PAC. Maybe Northwestern would prefer Stanford over Oregon, but I’d be surprised if any other schools do.

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:53 PM)Poster Wrote:  With that being said, the SMU and SDSU to the PAC threads (and the threads claiming the Big 10 is done expanding) will probably continue on this website for about another week. Because some of this website will think the PAC isn’t finished until it’s officially announced in a week or so. People will act like Iowa’s opinion seriously matters in Big 10 expansion.

But would SMU and SDSU head for a Pac12 like this----

Wash St
Oregon St
Possibly Cal if ND joins the Big10
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
UTSA
New Mexico
One of Wyoming, CSU, Tulsa, or Utah St. I'd also invite Wichita and Zags.

I think they would.

I see no reason why Cal wouldn’t get picked up by the Big 12 if they don’t get picked by the Big 10.


There seems to be some conflicting information about whether WSU and Oregon State could keep alive a 2 member PAC due to the NCAA tournament credit rules.

I don't know if Cal would ever move to the Big XII, even if the Big Ten invited Stanford w/o Cal. They are pretty stubborn regarding the eliteness of their academics.

(09-07-2022 05:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:34 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:34 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Arizona and SDSU are the best fits for his basketball requirement.

Boise State would be the best fit culturally

That's interesting. What is the culture of the Big 12 now that they have added Cincy, Houston, UCF and BYU? The culture fit for the original Big 12 members that remain is pretty identifiable, but now?

I'd say the culture is one of members that emphasize football above all else, who's the center of attention when they do play, isn't too liberal?, and can be decent in hoops.

Extra sprinkles on the cake if they're decent in volleyball and softball.

(09-07-2022 05:45 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:53 PM)Poster Wrote:  With that being said, the SMU and SDSU to the PAC threads (and the threads claiming the Big 10 is done expanding) will probably continue on this website for about another week. Because some of this website will think the PAC isn’t finished until it’s officially announced in a week or so. People will act like Iowa’s opinion seriously matters in Big 10 expansion.

But would SMU and SDSU head for a Pac12 like this----

Wash St
Oregon St
Possibly Cal if ND joins the Big10
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
UTSA
New Mexico
One of Wyoming, CSU, Tulsa, or Utah St. I'd also invite Wichita and Zags.

I think they would.

I see no reason why Cal wouldn’t get picked up by the Big 12 if they don’t get picked by the Big 10.


There seems to be some conflicting information about whether WSU and Oregon State could keep alive a 2 member PAC due to the NCAA tournament credit rules.

I don't know if Cal would ever even to the Big XII, even if the Big Ten invited Stanford w/o Cal. They are pretty stubborn regarding the eliteness of their academics.

I originally wondered if Stanford and Cal would be willing to join the Big 12 myself. But if the PAC loses Oregon and Washington, think about who their options to expand. San Diego State? Boise State? Would the Big 12 really be any worse academically than a PAC that includes those schools?

(09-07-2022 05:51 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:45 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:53 PM)Poster Wrote:  With that being said, the SMU and SDSU to the PAC threads (and the threads claiming the Big 10 is done expanding) will probably continue on this website for about another week. Because some of this website will think the PAC isn’t finished until it’s officially announced in a week or so. People will act like Iowa’s opinion seriously matters in Big 10 expansion.

But would SMU and SDSU head for a Pac12 like this----

Wash St
Oregon St
Possibly Cal if ND joins the Big10
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
UTSA
New Mexico
One of Wyoming, CSU, Tulsa, or Utah St. I'd also invite Wichita and Zags.

I think they would.

I see no reason why Cal wouldn’t get picked up by the Big 12 if they don’t get picked by the Big 10.


There seems to be some conflicting information about whether WSU and Oregon State could keep alive a 2 member PAC due to the NCAA tournament credit rules.

I don't know if Cal would ever even to the Big XII, even if the Big Ten invited Stanford w/o Cal. They are pretty stubborn regarding the eliteness of their academics.

I originally wondered if Stanford and Cal would be willing to join the Big 12 myself. But if the PAC loses Oregon and Washington, think about who their options to expand. San Diego State? Boise State? Would the Big 12 really be any worse academically than a PAC that includes those schools?

Stanford and Cal won’t be in any conference where BYU is a member. That’s about as close to an absolute as you’ll get in conference realignment.

(09-07-2022 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:53 PM)Poster Wrote:  With that being said, the SMU and SDSU to the PAC threads (and the threads claiming the Big 10 is done expanding) will probably continue on this website for about another week. Because some of this website will think the PAC isn’t finished until it’s officially announced in a week or so. People will act like Iowa’s opinion seriously matters in Big 10 expansion.

But would SMU and SDSU head for a Pac12 like this----

Wash St
Oregon St
Possibly Cal if ND joins the Big10
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
UTSA
New Mexico
One of Wyoming, CSU, Tulsa, or Utah St. I'd also invite Wichita and Zags.

I think they would.

I see no reason why Cal wouldn’t get picked up by the Big 12 if they don’t get picked by the Big 10.


There seems to be some conflicting information about whether WSU and Oregon State could keep alive a 2 member PAC due to the NCAA tournament credit rules.

Cals not really very valuable and its really far away. You'd have to give up taking one of either Arizona, ASU, CSU, or Utah to grab Cal. I dont see it. Im a little surprised the Big10 is interested in taking them. No way they have 100 million+ TV value.

At this point, any Big Ten expansion without ND is pretty much going to be based on “We want a full West Coast wing with institutional fits for reasons other than TV money.” On that front, Cal is basically the pinnacle as the top public research university in the nation that’s also directly located in the Bay Area. Outside of Northwestern (which is private), the #1 aspirational peer for every current Big Ten school is Cal.

If ND were to join the Big Ten, then sure, the league would only add one more school. However, I just don’t see the Big Ten adding Oregon and Washington without also adding Stanford and Cal at the same time.

(09-07-2022 05:26 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  A lot of overreaction in this thread over what is a pretty innocuous statement. I don’t see it as a “significant quote”, but rather just pointing out the obvious. He even alludes to that “Obviously going out west is where I would like to go”. It’s pretty well understood that the 4 corner schools are the only viable adds for the B12 now, but there’s no indication that the interest is mutual, and Yormack’s statement doesn’t move that needle one way or another.

He’s used the singular, not the plural.



“A program” and “One that competes”

This seems to suggest that one of the 4 corners have committed, likely Arizona.

Don't like the idea of Cal/Stanford (even less than Oregon/Washington), but I can't see the Big Ten leaving those two in a terrible spot if they can help it for "academic" reasons.

A move is very likely, but I don't think as certain as many on here think. That the Big Ten is looking and Warren is on board I definitely believe, but it is a jump to say they have the support needed at the president level for sure. The last expansion made the Big Ten a clear power 2, added a lot of money, and assured complete control of the Rose Bowl if they want it. The next move would kill the PAC-12 completely, probably subtract money, mean fewer games vs biggest names, and the leave the Big Ten alone facing a 20 team super conference (added risks there if things don't work out down the line for the smaller schools). All of those are negatives and, while I think a move is still a strong possibility, it is definitely not certain yet in my view.

(09-07-2022 06:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 03:53 PM)Poster Wrote:  With that being said, the SMU and SDSU to the PAC threads (and the threads claiming the Big 10 is done expanding) will probably continue on this website for about another week. Because some of this website will think the PAC isn’t finished until it’s officially announced in a week or so. People will act like Iowa’s opinion seriously matters in Big 10 expansion.

But would SMU and SDSU head for a Pac12 like this----

Wash St
Oregon St
Possibly Cal if ND joins the Big10
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
UTSA
New Mexico
One of Wyoming, CSU, Tulsa, or Utah St. I'd also invite Wichita and Zags.

I think they would.

I see no reason why Cal wouldn’t get picked up by the Big 12 if they don’t get picked by the Big 10.


There seems to be some conflicting information about whether WSU and Oregon State could keep alive a 2 member PAC due to the NCAA tournament credit rules.

Cals not really very valuable and its really far away. You'd have to give up taking one of either Arizona, ASU, CSU, or Utah to grab Cal. I dont see it. Im a little surprised the Big10 is interested in taking them. No way they have 100 million+ TV value.

At this point, any Big Ten expansion without ND is pretty much going to be based on “We want a full West Coast wing with institutional fits for reasons other than TV money.” On that front, Cal is basically the pinnacle as the top public research university in the nation that’s also directly located in the Bay Area. Outside of Northwestern (which is private), the #1 aspirational peer for every current Big Ten school is Cal.

If ND were to join the Big Ten, then sure, the league would only add one more school. However, I just don’t see the Big Ten adding Oregon and Washington without also adding Stanford and Cal at the same time.

That runs contrary to what Brett McMurphy what’s written about Big 10 expansion. He’s always said that Oregon and Washington are higher up for the Big 10 than Cal and Stanford.

(09-07-2022 06:08 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:26 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  A lot of overreaction in this thread over what is a pretty innocuous statement. I don’t see it as a “significant quote”, but rather just pointing out the obvious. He even alludes to that “Obviously going out west is where I would like to go”. It’s pretty well understood that the 4 corner schools are the only viable adds for the B12 now, but there’s no indication that the interest is mutual, and Yormack’s statement doesn’t move that needle one way or another.

He’s used the singular, not the plural.



“A program” and “One that competes”

This seems to suggest that one of the 4 corners have committed, likely Arizona.

I’ve never thought it was possible for the Big 12 to get just one of the Four Corners schools. I’ve always thought that either there are more Big 10 raids on the PAC and the Big 12 gets all of the Four Corners teams, or that there are no more Big 10 raids on the PAC so none of the Four Corners teams come.


I’ve always thought the Four Corners teams would definitely come if the Big Ten takes Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford, and it’s about 50/50 that they’d come if the BIG just took Oregon and Washington.

FWIW Jon Wilner's take. It's predicated on the Pac-12 staying together.

(09-07-2022 06:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 06:08 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:26 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  A lot of overreaction in this thread over what is a pretty innocuous statement. I don’t see it as a “significant quote”, but rather just pointing out the obvious. He even alludes to that “Obviously going out west is where I would like to go”. It’s pretty well understood that the 4 corner schools are the only viable adds for the B12 now, but there’s no indication that the interest is mutual, and Yormack’s statement doesn’t move that needle one way or another.

He’s used the singular, not the plural.



“A program” and “One that competes”

This seems to suggest that one of the 4 corners have committed, likely Arizona.

I’ve never thought it was possible for the Big 12 to get just one of the Four Corners schools. I’ve always thought that either there are more Big 10 raids on the PAC and the Big 12 gets all of the Four Corners teams, or that there are no more Big 10 raids on the PAC so none of the Four Corners teams come.


I’ve always thought the Four Corners teams would definitely come if the Big Ten takes Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford, and it’s about 50/50 that the PAC would remain alive if the BIG just took Oregon and Washington.

In the case of no Big Ten raid, I suppose the value of the two conferences is about even and we usually assume the status quo is cheaper. Maybe Arizona simply likes the leadership or peer group in the Big 12 and notices they have an easy out? More likely they are trying to tip the scales so that more Pac-10 administrations follow.

Wow... Wilner with the insight of the century.

Unfortunately there is no decent partner unless UH/Zags come or they actually take BSU. SMU will be a flop.

(09-07-2022 06:52 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 06:41 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 06:08 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-07-2022 05:26 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  A lot of overreaction in this thread over what is a pretty innocuous statement. I don’t see it as a “significant quote”, but rather just pointing out the obvious. He even alludes to that “Obviously going out west is where I would like to go”. It’s pretty well understood that the 4 corner schools are the only viable adds for the B12 now, but there’s no indication that the interest is mutual, and Yormack’s statement doesn’t move that needle one way or another.

He’s used the singular, not the plural.



“A program” and “One that competes”

This seems to suggest that one of the 4 corners have committed, likely Arizona.

I’ve never thought it was possible for the Big 12 to get just one of the Four Corners schools. I’ve always thought that either there are more Big 10 raids on the PAC and the Big 12 gets all of the Four Corners teams, or that there are no more Big 10 raids on the PAC so none of the Four Corners teams come.


I’ve always thought the Four Corners teams would definitely come if the Big Ten takes Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford, and it’s about 50/50 that the PAC would remain alive if the BIG just took Oregon and Washington.

In the case of no Big Ten raid, I suppose the value of the two conferences is about even and we usually assume the status quo is cheaper. Maybe Arizona simply likes the leadership or peer group in the Big 12 and notices they have an easy out? More likely they are trying to tip the scales so that more Pac-10 administrations follow.

I think the commissioner is speaking in the singular form about what actually are multiple PAC teams he’s going to add to the conference. People sometimes do speak that way even though it’s not proper English.


Frankly, the commish was talking at a press conference to probably at least five reporters, all at the same time. I’m not sure he even realized he was speaking improper English-it’s a lot easier to critique his English when we’re reading his comments from our houses.