(06-25-2022 10:06 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 09:17 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  If it doesn’t work out at Texas he can transfer until it works out for him, collecting NIL deals all over the SEC

Again, Manning does not need NIL deals. And if he's talented enough to get drafted high the NIL is even less improtant. BTW, even if he isn't Heisman caliber in college he's likely to be drafted relatively highly simply because of his pedigree.

Your family having money is not the same as someone paying you a few million as a 17 year old. It’s ignorance to think NIL is not a factor for every single major recruit now. Just the way things are.

(06-26-2022 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:22 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  It seems the reason Arch chose UT was the coach, Sarkisian specifically. Why choose Sarkisian? Is Sarkisian the best QB coach with SEC connections? Was UT's move to SEC due to them wanting Manning specifically in addition to the money from such a move?

Sarkisian played QB in college. He was exposed to Lavell Edwards and Norm Chow. BYU kicked out quite a few NFL QBs in the 80s-90s. Sark has been a OC at USC under Pete Carroll as well as an OC at Atlanta and Alabama. Is he that much better than Kiffin. Kiffin is the coach at Ole Miss now and coached a year Tennessee, which is where Eli and Payton played. Kiffin was a QB as well in college, although he didn't play much. His QB coach in college was Jeff Tedford. Tedford was a college QB. He has coached several college QBs who went to the NFL at both Oregon and Cal. Kiffin was also OC at Alabama. He also was HC of the Raiders in the NFL. He was also HC of USC, like Sark. He also was the co-OC with Sark at USC under Pete Carroll.

So my question is, why is Sark considered to be the QB whisperer and not Kiffin by the Mannings? Is UT really that much of a better environment than Ole Miss? Do the Mannings really not like Kiffin at all? I guess I am just curious as to Why UT over Ole Miss? On paper, Sark and Kiffin are very similar. Kiffin's record at Ole Miss last year was much better than Sark's at UT.

I guess I am just curious? I know it is all just speculation on my part. But on paper, is there really a huge difference between Sark and Kiffin? So is it the school or is it the Manning's opinion as to who they like better?

To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

With regards to Kiffin and Ole Miss, it could be that Arch simply doesn't want the pressure of playing at the same school as his grandfather, uncle and dad; a school where the Manning name is both iconic and legendary.

Arch's dad didn't play college football due to a congenital neck condition. Just his grandfather and uncle played at Ole Miss. I was at the Ole Miss campus this past year and there is a street by the football complex on campus named Manning Way. The is also a stone walled entrance to the roadway that has all the Manning names including Archie, Olivia, Eli, Payton, and Cooper Manning

I doubt there would be more pressure. There already is a tremendous amount of hype and expectation for Arch as the number 1 rated QB recruit. There will be pressure to be a a major factor in his teams success and fortunes up to leading his team to a national championship. In this regard, UT will just as stressful or even more so because they expect national championships. Ole Miss does not expect national championships but will gladly take one if given the opportunity.

An interesting point for numbers, UGA is lead by a defensive coach. See, it is all about the passing game.

I'm well aware Cooper got injured before ever lacing up for Ole Miss. Easy for you to say there would be no more pressure. Perhaps he just wanted to make a name for himself at a school and program where the record books are not already filled with the accomplishments of Archie and Eli. It would be one thing if he grew up in Mississippi; not New Orleans.

(06-26-2022 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:22 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  It seems the reason Arch chose UT was the coach, Sarkisian specifically. Why choose Sarkisian? Is Sarkisian the best QB coach with SEC connections? Was UT's move to SEC due to them wanting Manning specifically in addition to the money from such a move?

Sarkisian played QB in college. He was exposed to Lavell Edwards and Norm Chow. BYU kicked out quite a few NFL QBs in the 80s-90s. Sark has been a OC at USC under Pete Carroll as well as an OC at Atlanta and Alabama. Is he that much better than Kiffin. Kiffin is the coach at Ole Miss now and coached a year Tennessee, which is where Eli and Payton played. Kiffin was a QB as well in college, although he didn't play much. His QB coach in college was Jeff Tedford. Tedford was a college QB. He has coached several college QBs who went to the NFL at both Oregon and Cal. Kiffin was also OC at Alabama. He also was HC of the Raiders in the NFL. He was also HC of USC, like Sark. He also was the co-OC with Sark at USC under Pete Carroll.

So my question is, why is Sark considered to be the QB whisperer and not Kiffin by the Mannings? Is UT really that much of a better environment than Ole Miss? Do the Mannings really not like Kiffin at all? I guess I am just curious as to Why UT over Ole Miss? On paper, Sark and Kiffin are very similar. Kiffin's record at Ole Miss last year was much better than Sark's at UT.

I guess I am just curious? I know it is all just speculation on my part. But on paper, is there really a huge difference between Sark and Kiffin? So is it the school or is it the Manning's opinion as to who they like better?

To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

With regards to Kiffin and Ole Miss, it could be that Arch simply doesn't want the pressure of playing at the same school as his grandfather, uncle and dad; a school where the Manning name is both iconic and legendary.

Arch's dad didn't play college football due to a congenital neck condition. Just his grandfather and uncle played at Ole Miss. I was at the Ole Miss campus this past year and there is a street by the football complex on campus named Manning Way. The is also a stone walled entrance to the roadway that has all the Manning names including Archie, Olivia, Eli, Payton, and Cooper Manning

I doubt there would be more pressure. There already is a tremendous amount of hype and expectation for Arch as the number 1 rated QB recruit. There will be pressure to be a a major factor in his teams success and fortunes up to leading his team to a national championship. In this regard, UT will just as stressful or even more so because they expect national championships. Ole Miss does not expect national championships but will gladly take one if given the opportunity.

An interesting point for numbers, UGA is lead by a defensive coach. See, it is all about the passing game.

I'm well aware Cooper got injured before ever lacing up for Ole Miss. Easy for you to say there would be no more pressure. Perhaps he just wanted to make a name for himself at a school and program where the record books are not already filled with the accomplishments of Archie and Eli. It would be one thing if he grew up in Mississippi; not New Orleans.

Cooper was never injured. He has cervical spinal stenosis which is a congenital condition. He was at risk of spinal cord injury and subsequent paralysis. That is why he did not continue to play. Easy for me to say? So you are dismissing my experience with playing with pressure and what factors contribute to it. Alright, point taken.
Obviously, the Mannings have an affinity for Ole Miss. Some families have affinities for a University. It is like the Street's affinity for UT. UT places a lot of emphasis on winning. Ole Miss not as much. Just take a look at how UT has treated coaches due to expectations over the last 40 years. Obviously, Arch and his family feel that UT will be the best opportunity for him to develop his skills to the fullest. Sark feels that Arch will be a tremendous asset to help him win more games and get him out of the doghouse at UT. It doesn't bother Arch that UT underperformed last year and posted an amazing 5-7 record. Meanwhile, Ole Miss went 10-3. Which coach do you think will be under more pressure to win and which players will be under more scrutiny by the coach to produce?

(06-26-2022 03:52 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 10:06 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 09:17 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  If it doesn’t work out at Texas he can transfer until it works out for him, collecting NIL deals all over the SEC

Again, Manning does not need NIL deals. And if he's talented enough to get drafted high the NIL is even less improtant. BTW, even if he isn't Heisman caliber in college he's likely to be drafted relatively highly simply because of his pedigree.

Your family having money is not the same as someone paying you a few million as a 17 year old. It’s ignorance to think NIL is not a factor for every single major recruit now. Just the way things are.

Walt, I believe that you said something similar about Trei Cruz and what signing bonus he might be seeking. It does not matter about family money. These kids don't want or need to be supported by their parents for life, and I don't think their parents want that also. These kids, if they are worth something, want to earn their money. Also, just think about some of the contracts elite pro athletes sign. They don't need another couple of million to be comfortable the rest of their lives. However, the amount matters because that is how they keep score with their peers.

(06-26-2022 06:54 PM)Owl Is In Chains Wrote:  However, the amount matters because that is how they keep score with their peers.

Bingo.

(06-26-2022 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:22 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  It seems the reason Arch chose UT was the coach, Sarkisian specifically. Why choose Sarkisian? Is Sarkisian the best QB coach with SEC connections? Was UT's move to SEC due to them wanting Manning specifically in addition to the money from such a move?

Sarkisian played QB in college. He was exposed to Lavell Edwards and Norm Chow. BYU kicked out quite a few NFL QBs in the 80s-90s. Sark has been a OC at USC under Pete Carroll as well as an OC at Atlanta and Alabama. Is he that much better than Kiffin. Kiffin is the coach at Ole Miss now and coached a year Tennessee, which is where Eli and Payton played. Kiffin was a QB as well in college, although he didn't play much. His QB coach in college was Jeff Tedford. Tedford was a college QB. He has coached several college QBs who went to the NFL at both Oregon and Cal. Kiffin was also OC at Alabama. He also was HC of the Raiders in the NFL. He was also HC of USC, like Sark. He also was the co-OC with Sark at USC under Pete Carroll.

So my question is, why is Sark considered to be the QB whisperer and not Kiffin by the Mannings? Is UT really that much of a better environment than Ole Miss? Do the Mannings really not like Kiffin at all? I guess I am just curious as to Why UT over Ole Miss? On paper, Sark and Kiffin are very similar. Kiffin's record at Ole Miss last year was much better than Sark's at UT.

I guess I am just curious? I know it is all just speculation on my part. But on paper, is there really a huge difference between Sark and Kiffin? So is it the school or is it the Manning's opinion as to who they like better?

To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

With regards to Kiffin and Ole Miss, it could be that Arch simply doesn't want the pressure of playing at the same school as his grandfather, uncle and dad; a school where the Manning name is both iconic and legendary.

Arch's dad didn't play college football due to a congenital neck condition. Just his grandfather and uncle played at Ole Miss. I was at the Ole Miss campus this past year and there is a street by the football complex on campus named Manning Way. The is also a stone walled entrance to the roadway that has all the Manning names including Archie, Olivia, Eli, Payton, and Cooper Manning

I doubt there would be more pressure. There already is a tremendous amount of hype and expectation for Arch as the number 1 rated QB recruit. There will be pressure to be a a major factor in his teams success and fortunes up to leading his team to a national championship. In this regard, UT will just as stressful or even more so because they expect national championships. Ole Miss does not expect national championships but will gladly take one if given the opportunity.

An interesting point for numbers, UGA is lead by a defensive coach. See, it is all about the passing game.

I'm well aware Cooper got injured before ever lacing up for Ole Miss. Easy for you to say there would be no more pressure. Perhaps he just wanted to make a name for himself at a school and program where the record books are not already filled with the accomplishments of Archie and Eli. It would be one thing if he grew up in Mississippi; not New Orleans.

Arch plays his home high school football games in the Manning Family Athletic Complex. He has never been able to hide from his last name and has still achieved what he has. Somehow I doubt he would get all that frazzled by playing in a college that has his family name on something.

No inside info, my son was in the same grade as Arch from PK-8th grade and never liked Arch I doubt it was Arch's fault, my son is pretty idiosyncratic and almost anti-athletic ... he would make the perfect Rice faculty/administration employee!

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

And he belongs at Rice.

(06-27-2022 02:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

And he belongs at Rice.

Agree. And so does his QB coach.

(06-27-2022 03:05 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 02:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

And he belongs at Rice.

Agree. And so does his QB coach.

yup

(06-27-2022 02:49 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:31 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 03:22 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(06-26-2022 11:57 AM)ruowls Wrote:  It seems the reason Arch chose UT was the coach, Sarkisian specifically. Why choose Sarkisian? Is Sarkisian the best QB coach with SEC connections? Was UT's move to SEC due to them wanting Manning specifically in addition to the money from such a move?

Sarkisian played QB in college. He was exposed to Lavell Edwards and Norm Chow. BYU kicked out quite a few NFL QBs in the 80s-90s. Sark has been a OC at USC under Pete Carroll as well as an OC at Atlanta and Alabama. Is he that much better than Kiffin. Kiffin is the coach at Ole Miss now and coached a year Tennessee, which is where Eli and Payton played. Kiffin was a QB as well in college, although he didn't play much. His QB coach in college was Jeff Tedford. Tedford was a college QB. He has coached several college QBs who went to the NFL at both Oregon and Cal. Kiffin was also OC at Alabama. He also was HC of the Raiders in the NFL. He was also HC of USC, like Sark. He also was the co-OC with Sark at USC under Pete Carroll.

So my question is, why is Sark considered to be the QB whisperer and not Kiffin by the Mannings? Is UT really that much of a better environment than Ole Miss? Do the Mannings really not like Kiffin at all? I guess I am just curious as to Why UT over Ole Miss? On paper, Sark and Kiffin are very similar. Kiffin's record at Ole Miss last year was much better than Sark's at UT.

I guess I am just curious? I know it is all just speculation on my part. But on paper, is there really a huge difference between Sark and Kiffin? So is it the school or is it the Manning's opinion as to who they like better?

To be honest, I also follow this because I have a son who is a HS senior QB this year and is being recruited. He is good and has been trained by a really good QB coach. He is 6-5, 210 and can make all the throws but his name isn't Manning.

With regards to Kiffin and Ole Miss, it could be that Arch simply doesn't want the pressure of playing at the same school as his grandfather, uncle and dad; a school where the Manning name is both iconic and legendary.

Arch's dad didn't play college football due to a congenital neck condition. Just his grandfather and uncle played at Ole Miss. I was at the Ole Miss campus this past year and there is a street by the football complex on campus named Manning Way. The is also a stone walled entrance to the roadway that has all the Manning names including Archie, Olivia, Eli, Payton, and Cooper Manning

I doubt there would be more pressure. There already is a tremendous amount of hype and expectation for Arch as the number 1 rated QB recruit. There will be pressure to be a a major factor in his teams success and fortunes up to leading his team to a national championship. In this regard, UT will just as stressful or even more so because they expect national championships. Ole Miss does not expect national championships but will gladly take one if given the opportunity.

An interesting point for numbers, UGA is lead by a defensive coach. See, it is all about the passing game.

I'm well aware Cooper got injured before ever lacing up for Ole Miss. Easy for you to say there would be no more pressure. Perhaps he just wanted to make a name for himself at a school and program where the record books are not already filled with the accomplishments of Archie and Eli. It would be one thing if he grew up in Mississippi; not New Orleans.

Arch plays his home high school football games in the Manning Family Athletic Complex. He has never been able to hide from his last name and has still achieved what he has. Somehow I doubt he would get all that frazzled by playing in a college that has his family name on something.

No inside info, my son was in the same grade as Arch from PK-8th grade and never liked Arch I doubt it was Arch's fault, my son is pretty idiosyncratic and almost anti-athletic ... he would make the perfect Rice faculty/administration employee!

(06-27-2022 06:34 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 02:49 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I doubt it was Arch's fault, my son is pretty idiosyncratic and almost anti-athletic ... he would make the perfect Rice faculty/administration employee!

Funny, not funny lol

At least one commenter on the Roost’s tweet thinks the new WR Dickmann out of Georgetown TX is kind of a big deal…

https://twitter.com/attheroost/status/15...43200?s=21

Just saw this on Campbell’s TX Football -

“Spring DeKaney 2023 S Ty Morris (6'1, 175) committed to Rice over offers from Houston, Sam Houston, Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Purdue.

Morris is rated as a DCTF three-star prospect.”

I watched his junior year highlights. He looks very, very good

(08-25-2022 08:57 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  Just saw this on Campbell’s TX Football -

“Spring DeKaney 2023 S Ty Morris (6'1, 175) committed to Rice over offers from Houston, Sam Houston, Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Purdue.

Morris is rated as a DCTF three-star prospect.”

(08-26-2022 06:29 AM)ranfin Wrote:  I watched his junior year highlights. He looks very, very good

(08-25-2022 08:57 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  Just saw this on Campbell’s TX Football -

“Spring DeKaney 2023 S Ty Morris (6'1, 175) committed to Rice over offers from Houston, Sam Houston, Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Purdue.

Morris is rated as a DCTF three-star prospect.”

Interestingly, he also plays baseball (OF/SS) and is followed on twitter by Janish. His bio says he's up to 6’3 195lbs.

(08-26-2022 08:58 AM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 06:29 AM)ranfin Wrote:  I watched his junior year highlights. He looks very, very good

(08-25-2022 08:57 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  Just saw this on Campbell’s TX Football -

“Spring DeKaney 2023 S Ty Morris (6'1, 175) committed to Rice over offers from Houston, Sam Houston, Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Purdue.

Morris is rated as a DCTF three-star prospect.”

Interestingly, he also plays baseball (OF/SS) and is followed on twitter by Janish. His bio says he's up to 6’3 195lbs.

We're loaded at SS, and have a really, really good one coming in next year, but we certainly could use OF reinforcement, and this guy appears to be a big kid with room to grow into his body.

Former Rice commit from June 2022 (https://attheroost.com/2022/06/15/rice-f...e-wiggins/) has now chosen Sam Houston to commit to. Not sure when he de committed. Didn’t see anything in your thread.

(08-28-2022 04:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Former Rice commit from June 2022 (https://attheroost.com/2022/06/15/rice-f...e-wiggins/) has now chosen Sam Houston to commit to. Not sure when he de committed. Didn’t see anything in your thread.

Sam has done a great job of building that program and are moving to D1. As a Rice guy I would assume that this has something to do with academics but maybe not. Either way, congrats to SHSU on a nice pickup.

(08-26-2022 06:29 AM)ranfin Wrote:  I watched his junior year highlights. He looks very, very good

(08-25-2022 08:57 PM)NYNightOwl Wrote:  Just saw this on Campbell’s TX Football -

“Spring DeKaney 2023 S Ty Morris (6'1, 175) committed to Rice over offers from Houston, Sam Houston, Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Purdue.

Morris is rated as a DCTF three-star prospect.”

Agreed. He shows up really well on tape. Very athletic and a nose for the ball. Looks like a great commit!

Not that this is representative of a normal recruit, but to give an idea of the resources we're up against when battling bigger schools: https://twitter.com/FOS/status/1570785112568242176