Democrat Senator Tells Americans They Don't Need to Fear New IRS Agents If They Comply

Quote:The “Inflation Reduction Act,” in reality, is more of an environmental bill that empowers the IRS with 87,000 new agents. While the Democrats say this is only here to make the IRS better at providing services for the American people while making the rich pay their fair share, logic dictates that these many more agents aren’t needed unless the plan is to come after far more than just the wealthy.

Many have naturally expressed fear that the government is effectively preparing an army to go after the American people. This fear was relayed to Democrat Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland who appeared on Fox News Sunday to chat with host Mike Emanuel.

Emanuel mentioned that the thousands of IRS agents being hired is going to “scare the heck out of millions of Americans.” Cardin’s response does absolutely nothing to squash those fears.

“Millions of Americans aren’t going to be impacted by that other than getting better service from the IRS having their telephone answer getting the questions they need in order to comply with our tax laws,” Cardin said. “The auditing is going to be focused on those of high income, the large corporations, etc.”

It was then that the Democrat Senator dropped one of the biggest red flags one can when it comes to giving more power to authorities.

“If there’s no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that,” said Cardin.

Translation: “Comply with the tax increases and agents won’t harass you.”

In many ways, this is actually more of a threat than it is a reassurance. People are already hurting as it is and asking that they pay more is only going to make things worse. Even if they did only want to go after corporations and the rich, it would still be a massive blow to the lower classes due to the fact that corporations would just react with price hikes for their product, making the poor pay more anyway.

But it’s not just the wealthy as House Minority Whip John Thune noted.

“Yet 4 percent of the $80 billion is going to taxpayer services; 57 percent goes to enforcement so that the IRS can spend more time harassing taxpayers around this country,” Thune added.

Meaning well over half the billions going to the IRS will be dedicated, not to improving wait times and getting documents filed and completed in a timely manner, but to enforcement agents calling you and/or showing up at your door.

Democrats have no intention of helping you. If they did, they’d hire 87,000 border agents to stop the illegal migrant/drug trafficking plaguing our nation. Instead, Democrats are empowering one of the most punishing and terrifying government agencies in the United States.

(08-08-2022 11:24 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Democrat Senator Tells Americans They Don't Need to Fear New IRS Agents If They Comply

Quote:It was then that the Democrat Senator dropped one of the biggest red flags one can when it comes to giving more power to authorities.

“If there’s no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that,” said Cardin.

Translation: “Comply with the tax increases and agents won’t harass you.”

It is impossible to know if you've complied with all the tax laws.

https://taxfoundation.org/how-many-words-are-tax-code

Quote:The tax code is huge and complex. But how huge and complex is it?

Andrew Grossman, the legislation counsel for the Joint Committee on Taxation that helps write tax laws, attacked us in Slate yesterday for saying that the tax code runs 70,000 pages, countering that it’s “only” 2,600 pages.

So how long is the U.S. tax code really? There are a couple ways to look at it.

Statutes
There’s the literal statutes that Congress has passed (Title 26 of the U.S. Code). The Government Printing Office sells it spread over two volumes, and according to them, book one is 1,404 pages and book two is 1,248 pages, for a total of 2,652 pages. At perhaps 450 words per page, that puts the tax code at well over 1 million words. (By way of comparison, the King James Bible has 788,280 words; War and Peace runs 560,000 words; and the Harry Potter series is just over 1 million words.)

Statutes and Regulations
However, a tax practitioner who relies just on the tax statutes will go to jail, because so much of federal tax law is in IRS regulations, revenue rulings, and other clarifications. Congress will set down a policy and leave it to the IRS to write all the rules to implement it. These regulations aren’t short: the National Taxpayer Advocate did a Microsoft Word word count of the tax statutes and IRS regulations in 2012, and came up with roughly 4 million words. Again at roughly 450 words per page, that comes out to around 9,000 pages. The National Taxpayer Advocate also noted that the tax code changed 4,680 times from 2001 to 2012, an average of once per day.

Statutes, Regulations, and Caselaw
But, a lawyer who relies just on cases and regulations isn’t a very good lawyer, because most court decisions are made on the basis of previously decided cases. The respected legal publisher Commerce Clearing House (CCH) puts out such a compilation, the Standard Federal Tax Reporter of 70,000 pages, with notations after each statute containing relevant cases and other information. CCH itself considers this volume to be representative of “the tax code,” since an expert needs to know all 70,000 pages to understand the tax code in full. CCH has put out colorful charts illustrating its growth over the years. We used that information for the basis of a chart we did illustrating tax complexity over time.

Yes Mr. Cardin. I’d love to ensure all the hoodlums in the inner cities are paying their fair share of taxes. I’d love to ensure all the illegals pouring into the country are paying their income taxes, and I’d love to ensure all the members of Congress making tens of millions of dollars while in office are also paying their fair share.

It’s a real shame that this new, enlarged and armed IRS is going to do that though.

That’s problematic for me.


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Leftists where are you?

Doubling the size of the IRS is productive? Funding this in record tax years is productive?

Chime in please.

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They are one of two agencies of which I'm aware that have unfettered power. They do not need a warrant to knock down your door. The other are wildlife agencies.

Quote:IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent


Major Duties
Adhere to the highest standards of conduct, especially in maintaining honesty and integrity.

Work a minimum of 50 hours per week, which may include irregular hours, and be on-call 24/7, including holidays and weekends.

Maintain a level of fitness necessary to effectively respond to life-threatening situations on the job.

Carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force, if necessary.

Be willing and able to participate in arrests, execution of search warrants, and other dangerous assignments.

(08-08-2022 09:46 PM)maximus Wrote:  Leftists where are you?

Doubling the size of the IRS is productive? Funding this in record tax years is productive?

Chime in please.

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They don't care. Party over people, every time.

I do give them credit, though. I mean, their leaders give them the talking points and they fall in line 100%. Funny thing is that they call themselves the party of diversity. Just not diversity of thought.

This is for one reason and one reason only. They are coming after small business owners and gig workers that dont report cash. Thats it. The rest is a lie. People that make over 400K have accountants or do their taxes correctly are golden. They are already catching the ones that dont pay.

Congrats filth, you played yourself on this one. Its not gonna hurt people with real money.

(08-10-2022 02:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This is for one reason and one reason only. They are coming after small business owners and gig workers that dont report cash. Thats it. The rest is a lie. People that make over 400K have accountants or do their taxes correctly are golden. They are already catching the ones that dont pay.

Congrats filth, you played yourself on this one. Its not gonna hurt people with real money.

Exactly. No way the IRS goes after the $200K+ HH income bracket, that's their base of voters...along with the losers who don't want to work.

The target will be middle class HH income, married filing jointly. That $100-$199K section where the entire middle class is. Ironically voted for DJT over Biden 57-41%.

How hard will it be to get rid of these people?

Audits of people that make less than $25,000 per year went up 500% last year.

(08-10-2022 03:10 PM)Claw Wrote:  How hard will it be to get rid of these people?

clarify "get rid"

(08-10-2022 03:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Exactly. No way the IRS goes after the $200K+ HH income bracket, that's their base of voters...along with the losers who don't want to work.
The target will be middle class HH income, married filing jointly. That $100-$199K section where the entire middle class is. Ironically voted for DJT over Biden 57-41%.

The donks are becoming the party of two constituencies:

1) The super-rich, who believe that they can best maintain their lifestyle of privilege by throwing enough handouts at the extremely poor to keep them in line, while using tax and regulatory policies to keep the upwardly mobile from crashing their party ("let them eat cake"); and
2) The non-working welfare class, who will combine handouts with their ability to game the system in order to live better than they could by getting jobs.

It's both ends of, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you can keep 'em voting democrat." They tax those in between the two extremes enough to buy enough votes from group 2 to keep group 1 insulated. It's the elite experts versus common sense struggle that George Friedman has written about.

It seems to me that should leave the door wide open for the republicans to take the populist conservative side of common sense and become the party of choice for those in, say, the $50,000-$200,000 income range. And there are way more of them than there are the patrician elite and no-working welfare classes combined.

Donald Trump tapped into that and in so doing scared the bejeezus out of both the establishment donks and phants. Unfortunately Trump came with a lot of negative baggage that left him vulnerable to attacks by the establishment Deep State/Blob, and more unfortunately he was unprepared to defend himself effectively against those attacks (and Jeff Sessions did not help).

I want the republicans, starting immediately if not sooner, to stake out a strong position as the party of common sense. A populist conservative movement that appeals to the makers in society as opposed to the takers who either don't work or don't have to because of their riches.

A very simple set of concepts to live by:
Domestic policy: A basic floor of universal private health care and subsistence income for all, but above that people who work should live better than people who don't.
Foreign policy: Treat your friends better than you treat your enemies.
Military policy: Be the biggest and baddest, by far, but never have to use it because nobody dares pick on us and we never fight a war that we don't intend to win.

Adopt policies which fit that template and don't go off message, and I think that will win big.

(08-10-2022 02:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  This is for one reason and one reason only. They are coming after small business owners and gig workers that dont report cash. Thats it. The rest is a lie. People that make over 400K have accountants or do their taxes correctly are golden. They are already catching the ones that dont pay.

Congrats filth, you played yourself on this one. Its not gonna hurt people with real money.

Are you the one that coined the term "prog filth"? If so, kudos to you. This is yet another example of why that term is so fitting.

(08-10-2022 03:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 03:10 PM)Claw Wrote:  How hard will it be to get rid of these people?

clarify "get rid"

Nothing fancy. Remove their positions. Eliminate their jobs. That's what I mean.

That can be hard to do in the government.

Nearly impossible. So, we’ll all live with a weaponized IRS in perpetuity, AND with that seriously bloated price tag that goes along with it.

Nice job regressives.

The only way to fight this is for 100s of thousands of old conservatives to apply for these jobs.