(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  All ESPN has to do is guarantee a payout that makes The ACC the clear #3, guarantee playoff access and a conference network. Again if ESPN wants to break The ACC GOR guarantee 75 million or so to the teams left behind in The ACC.

It’s all about the money. It’s as simple as that.

Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

[b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

FSU and Miami. And all you need is that to start the rush to the exit.

You are wrong on Clemson. This is a business decision. They may prefer certain ACC schools moving with them, but they’re not staying in the off-brand ACC in the P2 era. They aren’t going to stay and risk not having a choice come 2036 because they’ve decayed to the point they are back to the smaller non-flagship school.

If FL schools leave, Clemson is too, and at that point even UNC’s immense wounded pride isn’t stopping things

(08-05-2022 04:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://twitter.com/5thYearPodcast

Podcast with interview of Brett McMurphy

McMurphy interview is first 30-32 minutes.

Says nobody has any clue what college football will look like in 5 years. If they say they do, ignore them.

Believes ACC is pretty much tied up by GOR, but around 2030 things will happen with them.

ND TV deal could take a year before ND has enough info to make a decision.

Big 10 is not done and won't be for a year or two.

Says Warren's response that whether there will be a P2, P3, P4 or P5 will be decided by the market, means ESPN/Fox/etc. will decide how many power conferences there are.

Networks don't know crap on what sells in college sports. Boise State have shown time and time again that in big games, they draw eyeballs. I can't say for the same for schools in Big 10 and SEC.

Why you continue to ignore essential realignment metrics like academics, market size, and original 1990 conference are beyond me. It's unbearably frustrating. Yet you continue to push for their inclusion in the Big Ten. They will make the Big 12 eventually, the shell that it will be at that point.

(08-05-2022 05:30 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  He says "nobody has any clue what college football will look like in 5 years. If they say they do, ignore them".

The proceeds to say:

"ACC is pretty much tied up by GOR, but around 2030 things will happen with them."

"Big 10 is not done and won't be for a year or two"

Yes but the first sentence is a 99.9% certainty but agree on second one.

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The networks have botched it. I don't know what data or algorithms they are using, but it has nothing to do with what is actually taking place on the football field. Believe it or not, Big East football used to make headlines and be front and center on professional sports talk radio some time ago, at least for the big games and not just during peak Schiano years. The fans have gone away... do we just blame demographics for everything?

We need to get back to rivalries and competitive games that count for something. Not Bama blowing out X Y Z team every year en route to the NCG:

They've killed conferences. Regionalized the sport. Torpedoed the Rose Bowl... it's comical what these business analytics guys draw up on their spreadsheets.

1) Get WVU and UC to the ACC... move out FSU/Clemson if the SEC wants them and will pay them and then add UCF.

2) DON'T break up the ACC. As much as I hate the conference, UNC is not a B1G team. Don't kill the basketball for football. Try to make it work with FSU and Clemson and add additional teams without a crazy payout. Pay the big schools on an incentive based pay scale so long as those programs stay in the rules. Agree to third party arbitration between a representative council overseeing NIL/recruitment and individual schools where/when conference bylaws are seemingly transgressed.

3) Form a super conference between the Big 12 and PAC remainders. There are no blue bloods in either conference (especially with additional PAC defections) that no single school stands out to skew the conferences' overall values. Just merge.

4) Don't expand the playoff until we get to P4 or P2 and P2lite at the very least. Once this happens you can easily have a 12 team playoff that will be competitive with conference champs playing for a Bye. I don't see any viable format at the moment aside from heartless subjective rankings that will involve two SEC teams every year vs a B1G team and maybe another party crasher that will be blown out.

RUScarlets, this is going to sound crazy, but how would combine #1 & #2?? In the ACC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami all want a divorce. UNC doesn't want a divorce, but will do anything to protect its own interests. Notre Dame is the friend with benefits, but at some point, I think that the rest of the ACC would say, enough is enough, and would cut Notre Dame loose. Could UNC and Notre Dame come together to save the ACC??? Possible, but not likely, IMO.

I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(Not picking on your comment at all, it just gave me a reason to post this)

ND has no interest in "saving" the ACC from its own North Carolina Tobacco Road caused problems.

Why do people always expect ND to "save" conferences (Big East and ACC)......... from themselves ??

Those conferences apparently could not/cannot save themselves with 15 and 14 other members banded together, respectively.

Their problems were not caused by ND. They made the decisions that caused their problems well before ND got involved.

Why couldn't they "save" themselves instead of just hoping that ND does something (it doesn't want to do) to "save" those conferences from their own self inflicted problems?

Both conferences took ND as a partial member without football. They knew the score.

That was the deal both conferences eagerly sought and eagerly signed. So, ND has no "duty" to join for football because it joined for other sports.

Anyway, the ACC kicking ND out could potentially save ND over $200 million in exit fees, contractual damages and GOR buyout money.

I hope you are right and they do say "enough is enough".

Then, ND would be unencumbered, free from exit fees, GOR's and contracts with the ACC.

It could either stay independent and move its other sports to the Big East or join the Big Ten.

Either would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

Sadly, not even the ACC is not dumb enough to cut ND loose . It certainly is no viable "threat" to ND if the ACC did so.

At one point, people on here thought ND could save college sports when your AD came out and said that ND was not interested in being part of any pay for play. That obviously went out the window with NIL so I thinks it's safe to assume at this point that ND is out to secure it's bottom line like everyone else.

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The networks have botched it. I don't know what data or algorithms they are using, but it has nothing to do with what is actually taking place on the football field. Believe it or not, Big East football used to make headlines and be front and center on professional sports talk radio some time ago, at least for the big games and not just during peak Schiano years. The fans have gone away... do we just blame demographics for everything?

We need to get back to rivalries and competitive games that count for something. Not Bama blowing out X Y Z team every year en route to the NCG:

They've killed conferences. Regionalized the sport. Torpedoed the Rose Bowl... it's comical what these business analytics guys draw up on their spreadsheets.

1) Get WVU and UC to the ACC... move out FSU/Clemson if the SEC wants them and will pay them and then add UCF.

2) DON'T break up the ACC. As much as I hate the conference, UNC is not a B1G team. Don't kill the basketball for football. Try to make it work with FSU and Clemson and add additional teams without a crazy payout. Pay the big schools on an incentive based pay scale so long as those programs stay in the rules. Agree to third party arbitration between a representative council overseeing NIL/recruitment and individual schools where/when conference bylaws are seemingly transgressed.

3) Form a super conference between the Big 12 and PAC remainders. There are no blue bloods in either conference (especially with additional PAC defections) that no single school stands out to skew the conferences' overall values. Just merge.

4) Don't expand the playoff until we get to P4 or P2 and P2lite at the very least. Once this happens you can easily have a 12 team playoff that will be competitive with conference champs playing for a Bye. I don't see any viable format at the moment aside from heartless subjective rankings that will involve two SEC teams every year vs a B1G team and maybe another party crasher that will be blown out.

RUScarlets, this is going to sound crazy, but how would combine #1 & #2?? In the ACC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami all want a divorce. UNC doesn't want a divorce, but will do anything to protect its own interests. Notre Dame is the friend with benefits, but at some point, I think that the rest of the ACC would say, enough is enough, and would cut Notre Dame loose. Could UNC and Notre Dame come together to save the ACC??? Possible, but not likely, IMO.

I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(Not picking on your comment at all, it just gave me a reason to post this)

ND has no interest in "saving" the ACC from its own North Carolina Tobacco Road caused problems.

Why do people always expect ND to "save" conferences (Big East and ACC)......... from themselves ??

Those conferences apparently could not/cannot save themselves with 15 and 14 other members banded together, respectively.

Their problems were not caused by ND. They made the decisions that caused their problems well before ND got involved.

Why couldn't they "save" themselves instead of just hoping that ND does something (it doesn't want to do) to "save" those conferences from their own self inflicted problems?

Both conferences took ND as a partial member without football. They knew the score.

That was the deal both conferences eagerly sought and eagerly signed. So, ND has no "duty" to join for football because it joined for other sports.

Anyway, the ACC kicking ND out could potentially save ND over $200 million in exit fees, contractual damages and GOR buyout money.

I hope you are right and they do say "enough is enough".

Then, ND would be unencumbered, free from exit fees, GOR's and contracts with the ACC.

It could either stay independent and move its other sports to the Big East or join the Big Ten.

Either would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

Sadly, not even the ACC is not dumb enough to cut ND loose . It certainly is no viable "threat" to ND if the ACC did so.

At one point, people on here thought ND could save college sports when your AD came out and said that ND was not interested in being part of any pay for play. That obviously went out the window with NIL so I thinks it's safe to assume at this point that ND is out to secure it's bottom line like everyone else.

"Notre Dame’s just not prepared to participate in any model where the athlete isn’t a student first and foremost — that’s the hallmark for us"

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The networks have botched it. I don't know what data or algorithms they are using, but it has nothing to do with what is actually taking place on the football field. Believe it or not, Big East football used to make headlines and be front and center on professional sports talk radio some time ago, at least for the big games and not just during peak Schiano years. The fans have gone away... do we just blame demographics for everything?

We need to get back to rivalries and competitive games that count for something. Not Bama blowing out X Y Z team every year en route to the NCG:

They've killed conferences. Regionalized the sport. Torpedoed the Rose Bowl... it's comical what these business analytics guys draw up on their spreadsheets.

1) Get WVU and UC to the ACC... move out FSU/Clemson if the SEC wants them and will pay them and then add UCF.

2) DON'T break up the ACC. As much as I hate the conference, UNC is not a B1G team. Don't kill the basketball for football. Try to make it work with FSU and Clemson and add additional teams without a crazy payout. Pay the big schools on an incentive based pay scale so long as those programs stay in the rules. Agree to third party arbitration between a representative council overseeing NIL/recruitment and individual schools where/when conference bylaws are seemingly transgressed.

3) Form a super conference between the Big 12 and PAC remainders. There are no blue bloods in either conference (especially with additional PAC defections) that no single school stands out to skew the conferences' overall values. Just merge.

4) Don't expand the playoff until we get to P4 or P2 and P2lite at the very least. Once this happens you can easily have a 12 team playoff that will be competitive with conference champs playing for a Bye. I don't see any viable format at the moment aside from heartless subjective rankings that will involve two SEC teams every year vs a B1G team and maybe another party crasher that will be blown out.

RUScarlets, this is going to sound crazy, but how would combine #1 & #2?? In the ACC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami all want a divorce. UNC doesn't want a divorce, but will do anything to protect its own interests. Notre Dame is the friend with benefits, but at some point, I think that the rest of the ACC would say, enough is enough, and would cut Notre Dame loose. Could UNC and Notre Dame come together to save the ACC??? Possible, but not likely, IMO.

I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(Not picking on your comment at all, it just gave me a reason to post this)

ND has no interest in "saving" the ACC from its own North Carolina Tobacco Road caused problems.

Why do people always expect ND to "save" conferences (Big East and ACC)......... from themselves ??

Those conferences apparently could not/cannot save themselves with 15 and 14 other members banded together, respectively.

Their problems were not caused by ND. They made the decisions that caused their problems well before ND got involved.

Why couldn't they "save" themselves instead of just hoping that ND does something (it doesn't want to do) to "save" those conferences from their own self inflicted problems?

Both conferences took ND as a partial member without football. They knew the score.

That was the deal both conferences eagerly sought and eagerly signed. So, ND has no "duty" to join for football because it joined for other sports.

Anyway, the ACC kicking ND out could potentially save ND over $200 million $500 Million up to $1 Billion in exit fees, contractual damages and GOR buyout money.

I hope you are right and they do say "enough is enough".

Then, ND would be unencumbered, free from exit fees, GOR's and contracts with the ACC.

It could either stay independent and move its other sports to the Big East or join the Big Ten.

Either would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

Sadly, not even the ACC is not dumb enough to cut ND loose . It certainly is no viable "threat" to ND if the ACC did so.

(08-06-2022 08:00 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  All ESPN has to do is guarantee a payout that makes The ACC the clear #3, guarantee playoff access and a conference network. Again if ESPN wants to break The ACC GOR guarantee 75 million or so to the teams left behind in The ACC.

It’s all about the money. It’s as simple as that.

Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

[b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

FSU and Miami. And all you need is that to start the rush to the exit.

You are wrong on Clemson. This is a business decision. They may prefer certain ACC schools moving with them, but they’re not staying in the off-brand ACC in the P2 era. They aren’t going to stay and risk not having a choice come 2036 because they’ve decayed to the point they are back to the smaller non-flagship school.

If FL schools leave, Clemson is too, and at that point even UNC’s immense wounded pride isn’t stopping things

I'm not sure what NIU is, but I don't think you really have a clue about the ACC.

(08-06-2022 09:26 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 08:00 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

[b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

FSU and Miami. And all you need is that to start the rush to the exit.

You are wrong on Clemson. This is a business decision. They may prefer certain ACC schools moving with them, but they’re not staying in the off-brand ACC in the P2 era. They aren’t going to stay and risk not having a choice come 2036 because they’ve decayed to the point they are back to the smaller non-flagship school.

If FL schools leave, Clemson is too, and at that point even UNC’s immense wounded pride isn’t stopping things

I'm not sure what NIU is, but I don't think you really have a clue about the ACC.

You must not get around much then. When was the last time you left NC?

Likely explains why you’re off on Clemson and realignment. Such limited perspective has long been the weakness of the ACC. They don’t know their constituents.

(08-06-2022 10:28 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:26 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 08:00 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  [b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

FSU and Miami. And all you need is that to start the rush to the exit.

You are wrong on Clemson. This is a business decision. They may prefer certain ACC schools moving with them, but they’re not staying in the off-brand ACC in the P2 era. They aren’t going to stay and risk not having a choice come 2036 because they’ve decayed to the point they are back to the smaller non-flagship school.

If FL schools leave, Clemson is too, and at that point even UNC’s immense wounded pride isn’t stopping things

I'm not sure what NIU is, but I don't think you really have a clue about the ACC.

You must not get around much then. When was the last time you left NC?

Likely explains why you’re off on Clemson and realignment. Such limited perspective has long been the weakness of the ACC. They don’t know their constituents.

Didn't you know that field hands are not permitted to publicly disagree with the Big House at Chapel Hill? Therefore, the Big House knows of no alternatives to their point of view. How many in history have been absolutely convinced of their invincibility until their demise. ACC allies, like ND, clearly see a threat. And the ACC pulled in ESPN's GOR within their high walls and see it as an offering of security. The question is "How Greek is ESPN in practice?"

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(right here on this here message board in the next 24-48 hours ...)

"What the ACC needs to do is make Notre Dame join as a full member and then renegotiate the ESPN contract. Problem solved!"

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Either (the Big East or Big Ten) would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

A "tier two" conference where the likes of Clemson, FSU and Miami would still be doing everything within their power to leave even if Notre Dame joined for football, too.

(08-06-2022 09:13 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The networks have botched it. I don't know what data or algorithms they are using, but it has nothing to do with what is actually taking place on the football field. Believe it or not, Big East football used to make headlines and be front and center on professional sports talk radio some time ago, at least for the big games and not just during peak Schiano years. The fans have gone away... do we just blame demographics for everything?

We need to get back to rivalries and competitive games that count for something. Not Bama blowing out X Y Z team every year en route to the NCG:

They've killed conferences. Regionalized the sport. Torpedoed the Rose Bowl... it's comical what these business analytics guys draw up on their spreadsheets.

1) Get WVU and UC to the ACC... move out FSU/Clemson if the SEC wants them and will pay them and then add UCF.

2) DON'T break up the ACC. As much as I hate the conference, UNC is not a B1G team. Don't kill the basketball for football. Try to make it work with FSU and Clemson and add additional teams without a crazy payout. Pay the big schools on an incentive based pay scale so long as those programs stay in the rules. Agree to third party arbitration between a representative council overseeing NIL/recruitment and individual schools where/when conference bylaws are seemingly transgressed.

3) Form a super conference between the Big 12 and PAC remainders. There are no blue bloods in either conference (especially with additional PAC defections) that no single school stands out to skew the conferences' overall values. Just merge.

4) Don't expand the playoff until we get to P4 or P2 and P2lite at the very least. Once this happens you can easily have a 12 team playoff that will be competitive with conference champs playing for a Bye. I don't see any viable format at the moment aside from heartless subjective rankings that will involve two SEC teams every year vs a B1G team and maybe another party crasher that will be blown out.

RUScarlets, this is going to sound crazy, but how would combine #1 & #2?? In the ACC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami all want a divorce. UNC doesn't want a divorce, but will do anything to protect its own interests. Notre Dame is the friend with benefits, but at some point, I think that the rest of the ACC would say, enough is enough, and would cut Notre Dame loose. Could UNC and Notre Dame come together to save the ACC??? Possible, but not likely, IMO.

I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(Not picking on your comment at all, it just gave me a reason to post this)

ND has no interest in "saving" the ACC from its own North Carolina Tobacco Road caused problems.

Why do people always expect ND to "save" conferences (Big East and ACC)......... from themselves ??

Those conferences apparently could not/cannot save themselves with 15 and 14 other members banded together, respectively.

Their problems were not caused by ND. They made the decisions that caused their problems well before ND got involved.

Why couldn't they "save" themselves instead of just hoping that ND does something (it doesn't want to do) to "save" those conferences from their own self inflicted problems?

Both conferences took ND as a partial member without football. They knew the score.

That was the deal both conferences eagerly sought and eagerly signed. So, ND has no "duty" to join for football because it joined for other sports.

Anyway, the ACC kicking ND out could potentially save ND over $200 million in exit fees, contractual damages and GOR buyout money.

I hope you are right and they do say "enough is enough".

Then, ND would be unencumbered, free from exit fees, GOR's and contracts with the ACC.

It could either stay independent and move its other sports to the Big East or join the Big Ten.

Either would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

Sadly, not even the ACC is not dumb enough to cut ND loose . It certainly is no viable "threat" to ND if the ACC did so.

At one point, people on here thought ND could save college sports when your AD came out and said that ND was not interested in being part of any pay for play. That obviously went out the window with NIL so I thinks it's safe to assume at this point that ND is out to secure it's bottom line like everyone else.

Sure, and why not? Everyone else has been doing so for years.

Same concept. Why isn't "college sports" saving itself? It is not ND's duty to harm itself to save "college sports".

If Swarbrick wasn't making sure that ND "secures its bottom line like everyone else", then he should be fired, flogged, tarred, feathered and run out of South Bend on a flaming rail.

(08-06-2022 12:37 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Either (the Big East or Big Ten) would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

A "tier two" conference where the likes of Clemson, FSU and Miami would still be doing everything within their power to leave even if Notre Dame joined for football, too.

Absolutely correct.

(08-06-2022 09:23 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The networks have botched it. I don't know what data or algorithms they are using, but it has nothing to do with what is actually taking place on the football field. Believe it or not, Big East football used to make headlines and be front and center on professional sports talk radio some time ago, at least for the big games and not just during peak Schiano years. The fans have gone away... do we just blame demographics for everything?

We need to get back to rivalries and competitive games that count for something. Not Bama blowing out X Y Z team every year en route to the NCG:

They've killed conferences. Regionalized the sport. Torpedoed the Rose Bowl... it's comical what these business analytics guys draw up on their spreadsheets.

1) Get WVU and UC to the ACC... move out FSU/Clemson if the SEC wants them and will pay them and then add UCF.

2) DON'T break up the ACC. As much as I hate the conference, UNC is not a B1G team. Don't kill the basketball for football. Try to make it work with FSU and Clemson and add additional teams without a crazy payout. Pay the big schools on an incentive based pay scale so long as those programs stay in the rules. Agree to third party arbitration between a representative council overseeing NIL/recruitment and individual schools where/when conference bylaws are seemingly transgressed.

3) Form a super conference between the Big 12 and PAC remainders. There are no blue bloods in either conference (especially with additional PAC defections) that no single school stands out to skew the conferences' overall values. Just merge.

4) Don't expand the playoff until we get to P4 or P2 and P2lite at the very least. Once this happens you can easily have a 12 team playoff that will be competitive with conference champs playing for a Bye. I don't see any viable format at the moment aside from heartless subjective rankings that will involve two SEC teams every year vs a B1G team and maybe another party crasher that will be blown out.

RUScarlets, this is going to sound crazy, but how would combine #1 & #2?? In the ACC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami all want a divorce. UNC doesn't want a divorce, but will do anything to protect its own interests. Notre Dame is the friend with benefits, but at some point, I think that the rest of the ACC would say, enough is enough, and would cut Notre Dame loose. Could UNC and Notre Dame come together to save the ACC??? Possible, but not likely, IMO.

I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(Not picking on your comment at all, it just gave me a reason to post this)

ND has no interest in "saving" the ACC from its own North Carolina Tobacco Road caused problems.

Why do people always expect ND to "save" conferences (Big East and ACC)......... from themselves ??

Those conferences apparently could not/cannot save themselves with 15 and 14 other members banded together, respectively.

Their problems were not caused by ND. They made the decisions that caused their problems well before ND got involved.

Why couldn't they "save" themselves instead of just hoping that ND does something (it doesn't want to do) to "save" those conferences from their own self inflicted problems?

Both conferences took ND as a partial member without football. They knew the score.

That was the deal both conferences eagerly sought and eagerly signed. So, ND has no "duty" to join for football because it joined for other sports.

Anyway, the ACC kicking ND out could potentially save ND over $200 million[b] $500 Million up to $1 Billion in exit fees, contractual damages and GOR buyout money.[/b]

I hope you are right and they do say "enough is enough".

Then, ND would be unencumbered, free from exit fees, GOR's and contracts with the ACC.

It could either stay independent and move its other sports to the Big East or join the Big Ten.

Either would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

Sadly, not even the ACC is not dumb enough to cut ND loose . It certainly is no viable "threat" to ND if the ACC did so.

Lol, you live in a freaking Carolina Blue dream world, X.

Even if your fantasy is correct, ND will just sign a big deal with NBC and watch the ACC burn to the ground.

Tick...tok...tick...tok. That sound is the sand running from the GOR hourglass. Time is ND's ally, not the ACC's.

Sadly for Carolina fans (and no one else on Earth), that Tobacco Road country club is going to be demolished.

You Carolina fans keep harping on ND being powerless if it joins the Big Ten. I am going to laugh my ass off when Carolina is forced to crawl into a Yankee Conference.

I cannot wait until the Carolina Mafia tries their crap on the Midwestern boys in the Big Ten. That will be fun to watch.

I will love watching Carolina being told their accents are funny, so go shut up and sit in the corner.

(08-06-2022 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Sadly for Carolina fans (and no one else on Earth), that Tobacco Road country club is going to be demolished.

Indeed, it is going to be a thing of beauty to watch when it happens...



At least the ACC death throes will finally provide some compelling drama, something the ACC has generally failed to do on the football field.

(08-05-2022 05:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:30 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  "ACC is pretty much tied up by GOR, but around 2030 things will happen with them."

In other words, the amount to buy out the GOR and eat the contract is half of what it would be now. The P2 (at 16 or 18) likely will hold spaces for the four best properties of the ACC and go to 20 while the remainders will slog along with diminished expectations and a Pac-12 sized contract.

What could come out of this is a Premier League (Big 10, SEC), a Power 3 (Big 12, Pac-12, ACC), a second group of 3 (AAC, MWC, Sun Belt), and a confederation of the rest (MAC, CUSA)

I think McMurphy’s actually saying that schools will announce their departures a few years before the GOR expires, but won’t leave until the GOR expires.


Texas and OU announced their departures four years before the Big 12 GOR expired. McMurphy is saying that ACC teams might announce departures more like six years before their GOR expires,

(08-06-2022 02:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:23 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:18 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:05 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The networks have botched it. I don't know what data or algorithms they are using, but it has nothing to do with what is actually taking place on the football field. Believe it or not, Big East football used to make headlines and be front and center on professional sports talk radio some time ago, at least for the big games and not just during peak Schiano years. The fans have gone away... do we just blame demographics for everything?

We need to get back to rivalries and competitive games that count for something. Not Bama blowing out X Y Z team every year en route to the NCG:

They've killed conferences. Regionalized the sport. Torpedoed the Rose Bowl... it's comical what these business analytics guys draw up on their spreadsheets.

1) Get WVU and UC to the ACC... move out FSU/Clemson if the SEC wants them and will pay them and then add UCF.

2) DON'T break up the ACC. As much as I hate the conference, UNC is not a B1G team. Don't kill the basketball for football. Try to make it work with FSU and Clemson and add additional teams without a crazy payout. Pay the big schools on an incentive based pay scale so long as those programs stay in the rules. Agree to third party arbitration between a representative council overseeing NIL/recruitment and individual schools where/when conference bylaws are seemingly transgressed.

3) Form a super conference between the Big 12 and PAC remainders. There are no blue bloods in either conference (especially with additional PAC defections) that no single school stands out to skew the conferences' overall values. Just merge.

4) Don't expand the playoff until we get to P4 or P2 and P2lite at the very least. Once this happens you can easily have a 12 team playoff that will be competitive with conference champs playing for a Bye. I don't see any viable format at the moment aside from heartless subjective rankings that will involve two SEC teams every year vs a B1G team and maybe another party crasher that will be blown out.

RUScarlets, this is going to sound crazy, but how would combine #1 & #2?? In the ACC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami all want a divorce. UNC doesn't want a divorce, but will do anything to protect its own interests. Notre Dame is the friend with benefits, but at some point, I think that the rest of the ACC would say, enough is enough, and would cut Notre Dame loose. Could UNC and Notre Dame come together to save the ACC??? Possible, but not likely, IMO.

I have seen a lot of posts on message boards the past twenty or twenty five years or so about ND "saving" certain conferences.

(Not picking on your comment at all, it just gave me a reason to post this)

ND has no interest in "saving" the ACC from its own North Carolina Tobacco Road caused problems.

Why do people always expect ND to "save" conferences (Big East and ACC)......... from themselves ??

Those conferences apparently could not/cannot save themselves with 15 and 14 other members banded together, respectively.

Their problems were not caused by ND. They made the decisions that caused their problems well before ND got involved.

Why couldn't they "save" themselves instead of just hoping that ND does something (it doesn't want to do) to "save" those conferences from their own self inflicted problems?

Both conferences took ND as a partial member without football. They knew the score.

That was the deal both conferences eagerly sought and eagerly signed. So, ND has no "duty" to join for football because it joined for other sports.

Anyway, the ACC kicking ND out could potentially save ND over $200 million[b] $500 Million up to $1 Billion in exit fees, contractual damages and GOR buyout money.[/b]

I hope you are right and they do say "enough is enough".

Then, ND would be unencumbered, free from exit fees, GOR's and contracts with the ACC.

It could either stay independent and move its other sports to the Big East or join the Big Ten.

Either would be fine as opposed to locking ND football into a Tier Two conference to "save" it, only to find itself also doomed to lower payouts and diminished status long term.

Sadly, not even the ACC is not dumb enough to cut ND loose . It certainly is no viable "threat" to ND if the ACC did so.

Lol, you live in a freaking Carolina Blue dream world, X.

Even if your fantasy is correct, ND will just sign a big deal with NBC and watch the ACC burn to the ground.

Tick...tok...tick...tok. That sound is the sand running from the GOR hourglass. Time is ND's ally, not the ACC's.

Sadly for Carolina fans (and no one else on Earth), that Tobacco Road country club is going to be demolished.

You Carolina fans keep harping on ND being powerless if it joins the Big Ten. I am going to laugh my ass off when Carolina is forced to crawl into a Yankee Conference.

I cannot wait until the Carolina Mafia tries their crap on the Midwestern boys in the Big Ten. That will be fun to watch.

I will love watching Carolina being told their accents are funny, so go shut up and sit in the corner.

$1 billion will never happen. At the same time, $200 million seems like the floor. If I remember correctly, the exit fee alone, which won’t expire, would be more than $100 million. The GoR buyout for non football would be also more than $100 million.

I don’t know how much damage would be for breaking the contractual obligation not to join another conference before 2036, but I guess it could be really big. That’s why I expect ND will stay until the end or near the end of the GoR instead of going through messy and costly divorce. Of course ND would just say they are staying because they value the independence so we won’t know whether they don’t leave the ACC because of the football independence or they can’t leave the ACC because of the divorce cost.

But it sure seems like ND fans are becoming like the FSU fans, who think they are stuck in the ACC.

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  All ESPN has to do is guarantee a payout that makes The ACC the clear #3, guarantee playoff access and a conference network. Again if ESPN wants to break The ACC GOR guarantee 75 million or so to the teams left behind in The ACC.

It’s all about the money. It’s as simple as that.

Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason

ESPN has the rights for all SEC and ACC schools well into the next decade. Breaking the GOR would free some of the top schools to move outside of ESPN’s control to the Big 10. Why would ESPN want to do that?

Also, why would you think South Carolina and Florida would support admitting Clemson and FSU to the SEC? They would be voting to strengthen their in-state rivals.

(08-06-2022 04:01 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  All ESPN has to do is guarantee a payout that makes The ACC the clear #3, guarantee playoff access and a conference network. Again if ESPN wants to break The ACC GOR guarantee 75 million or so to the teams left behind in The ACC.

It’s all about the money. It’s as simple as that.

Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason

ESPN has the rights for all SEC and ACC schools well into the next decade. Breaking the GOR would free some of the top schools to move outside of ESPN’s control to the Big 10. Why would ESPN want to do that?

Also, why would you think South Carolina and Florida would support admitting Clemson and FSU to the SEC? They would be voting to strengthen their in-state rivals.

Because Florida sponsored F.S.U. for SEC membership in '90-91 and wanted to do so again in 2011, when South Carolina wanted to sponsor Clemson. Their reasons were simple and true. Both solicited donations to the athletics fund in order for fans to qualify for those tickets. In a world where those in the know realized realignment would continue and conference schedules would get tighter, they correctly surmised that the only way to guarantee games with these rivals could continue was to bring them into the conference. The angst was great enough in 2011 that Slive asked for a gentlemen's agreement not to nominate in state rivals until ESPN's renegotiation clause requiring 2 new markets before a contract revaluation could be done was satisfied. Clay Travis got the story backwards, turned it into a blackball agreement, which it was clearly not, and fanboys across the ignorant internet turned a lie into a myth!

Slive promised Machen and Pastides that after 2011 no such restrictions would exist again and the only qualification would be profitability, which in the age of brand and content they both are profitable, not UT and OU profitable, but accretive.

So when I hear FSU and Clemson to the SEC I hear a consideration to USC and UF fulfilled, because we are perhaps this realignment away from playing all games in conference if we grow past 20.

(08-06-2022 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:08 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  All ESPN has to do is guarantee a payout that makes The ACC the clear #3, guarantee playoff access and a conference network. Again if ESPN wants to break The ACC GOR guarantee 75 million or so to the teams left behind in The ACC.

It’s all about the money. It’s as simple as that.

Why would ESPN want to break the ACC GOR? They have all schools under contract at a below market price until 2036.

[b]To free up programs to jump to The SEC. That’s the only reason/b]

Which would jump to the SEC?
I guess Florida State would be the most likely, beyond that I'm not sure any school would (even Clemson, whose PTB are some of the biggest academic snobs you will ever meet. Clemson's success has come because the school markets itself as an anti-SEC alternative). Some really old timers at Georgia Tech....maybe (GT would have a hard time reaching Vanderbilt's level in the SEC).

All of them. The only way any of the ACC schools tell the SEC no is if they are going to the Big10 instead or if ESPN is going to match SEC money. In the end we can talk tradition and everything else, but as we have all seen, it comes down to money. Unless ESPN puts the ACC on a roughly level ground moneywise with the 'P2' any school not named Notre Dame will take an invitation to either 'P2' conference. Sure they will try to put conditions and bring friends along or whatever, but in the end any take it if offered. $$$ is king.