https://reignoftroy.com/posts/usc-trojan...washington
This was dated 07/31/2022 wonder if the B1G will actually pull the trigger on it. 20 and done.

(08-02-2022 07:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  https://reignoftroy.com/posts/usc-trojan...washington
This was dated 07/31/2022 wonder if the B1G will actually pull the trigger on it. 20 and done.

Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington to the B1G makes a lot of sense. We can expect the move sooner or later. What Notre Dame decides will affect the plan, of course.

If the B1G wants to move to 24, the next step is to add 3-4 Atlantic coast schools.

(08-02-2022 07:51 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 07:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  https://reignoftroy.com/posts/usc-trojan...washington
This was dated 07/31/2022 wonder if the B1G will actually pull the trigger on it. 20 and done.

Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Washington to the B1G makes a lot of sense. We can expect the move sooner or later. What Notre Dame decides will affect the plan, of course.

If the B1G wants to move to 24, the next step is to add 3-4 Atlantic coast schools.

I believe ND has already declined the B1G to retain Their independence while still making a very large contract with NBC.
The reported PAC 4-6 year media rights likely will be the reason that these 4 are going to be on their way East with USC, UCLA sooner then later if it holds true

(08-02-2022 07:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I believe ND has already declined the B1G to retain Their independence while still making a very large contract with NBC.
The reported PAC 4-6 year media rights likely will be the reason that these 4 are going to be on their way East with USC, UCLA sooner then later if it holds true

I agree: Maintaining its current status is still Notre Dame's first choice. For the B1G the most immediate decision this affects is how many schools to invite in the next wave. The terms of both ND and B1G media contracts have to enable these choices, of course. That sets the timetable.

ND's preference for staying around is the biggest bargaining chip the ACC has right now with its media partner. Whatever becomes of that, the revenue gap has opened too wide to prevent the eventual departure of 4-8 ACC member schools.

(08-02-2022 08:32 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 07:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I believe ND has already declined the B1G to retain Their independence while still making a very large contract with NBC.
The reported PAC 4-6 year media rights likely will be the reason that these 4 are going to be on their way East with USC, UCLA sooner then later if it holds true

I agree: Maintaining its current status is still Notre Dame's first choice. For the B1G the most immediate decision this affects is how many schools to invite in the next wave. The terms of both ND and B1G media contracts have to enable these choices, of course. That sets the timetable.

ND's preference for staying around is the biggest bargaining chip the ACC has right now with its media partner. Whatever becomes of that, the revenue gap has opened too wide to prevent the eventual departure of 4-8 ACC member schools.

Growing with 4 more PAC schools makes the math a little easier to go to 24 as well. There are 5 ACC AAU schools: UVA/UNC/Duke/GT/Pitt. When the Big 10 goes to 24 it can simply take UVA/UNC/Duke and ND and be done [not sure GT/Pitt move the needle as much, no offense to either school.]

That also means that the SEC would wind up with NC State as the consolation (I think they may prefer VT over UVA anyway). NC State/VT/FSU/Clemson.

If the Big 10 takes those four PAC schools the corner 4 (ASU/AU/CU/UU) jump to the Big 12 and the Big 12 sits at 16. They could then take Pitt/GT/Miami/Louisville.

Schools left out: Washington St/Oregon St from the PAC, Wake Forest/Syracuse/Boston College from the ACC. The ACC could rebuild with UConn/UMass/Temple/etc. and still have a solid academic league.

(08-02-2022 08:32 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 07:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I believe ND has already declined the B1G to retain Their independence while still making a very large contract with NBC.
The reported PAC 4-6 year media rights likely will be the reason that these 4 are going to be on their way East with USC, UCLA sooner then later if it holds true

ND's preference for staying around is the biggest bargaining chip the ACC has right now with its media partner. Whatever becomes of that, the revenue gap has opened too wide to prevent the eventual departure of 4-8 ACC member schools.

It also puts the ACC in FOX/BIG crosshairs. Imo FOX/BIG would be wise to invite 4-5 schools and either the ACC crumbles going to BIG, or crumbles going to SEC.

It is not disingenuous interest- a BIG with UVa, UNC, FSU, and Miami added to USC and UCLA is a heck of a conference. If that corralled ND? It is well in the money and no worse than tied for top brand everywhere except Texas and GA.

Is that situation the BIG/FOX waiting on ND, or waiting on ACC? A lot less room for all 4 PAC schools if you're getting 4-6 ACC+ND.

I don't think just paying FSU and Miami at P2 level in ACC is enough. Those schools need to cash in on the current "yes" status and FOX vs ESPN corporate climate, and remove the risk they are later not able to get that invite. Miami in particular would be unwise to pass on a BIG invite for ESPN overpaying to keep ACC together for 14 years

Nobody wants Duke or Wake Forest.

Big 10 wants Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech/Florida State.

I wouldn’t exactly phrase that expansion as “pulling it off”. All of those schools would change their alma maters to Carmen Ohio if it meant they could join the Big 10.

The question is, would Warren admit those 4 schools (earning smaller shares through a phase in period) now in an effort to push one of the following things into motion:

—ND comes asking for membership
—the SEC is pressured to work with ESPN to bust the ACC GOR loose, which also would make ND available.

4 protected rivals:

ND: Stanford, USC, MSU, UM
USC: UCLA, Stanford, ND, UO
UCLA: USC, Cal, UO, WU
Stanford: ND, USC, Cal, WU
Cal: Stanford, UCLA, WU, UO
Oregon: WU, UCLA, Cal, USC
WU: UO, UCLA, Cal, Stanford

Not sure why the big 10 just wouldn’t jump to 24 by also adding Colorado, Kansas and 2 from Utah, Arizona and Ariz state. Than turn towards an 8 team division made up of ACC schools and/or a Texas school

(08-02-2022 09:11 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Not sure why the big 10 just wouldn’t jump to 24 by also adding Colorado, Kansas and 2 from Utah, Arizona and Ariz state. Than turn towards an 8 team division made up of ACC schools and/or a Texas school

Law of diminishing returns. It's even 50/50 UW/UO/Cal/Stanford survive it.

(08-02-2022 09:11 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Not sure why the big 10 just wouldn’t jump to 24 by also adding Colorado, Kansas and 2 from Utah, Arizona and Ariz state. Than turn towards an 8 team division made up of ACC schools and/or a Texas school

The better question is why would they want to go to 24?

You go to 24 or 32 because limiting things screws over the whole concept of what makes college sports, ie rivals. Would the big 10 be better off dropping Michigan’s state and Purdue ?, things don’t work the way, you need passion and rivals.

(08-02-2022 08:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Nobody wants Duke or Wake Forest.

Big 10 wants Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech/Florida State.

Of course Duke is a viable candidate. Its one of the best all-around athletic programs in college sports, the #1 basketball franchise, sits in Raleigh-Durham research triangle, and has better academics than nearly all of the Ivy League. The B1G already reached out to them in the past before the GOR was signed.

(08-02-2022 09:20 AM)bluesox Wrote:  You go to 24 or 32 because limiting things screws over the whole concept of what makes college sports, ie rivals. Would the big 10 be better off dropping Michigan’s state and Purdue ?, things don’t work the way, you need passion and rivals.

And going to 24 kills rivalries in the Big 10.

(08-02-2022 09:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 09:11 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Not sure why the big 10 just wouldn’t jump to 24 by also adding Colorado, Kansas and 2 from Utah, Arizona and Ariz state. Than turn towards an 8 team division made up of ACC schools and/or a Texas school

The better question is why would they want to go to 24?

20 is just fine. That saves them 4 ACC slots. GaTech, Miami, FSU, UNC are all in play, and probably the best combo they can get.

Second tier would be UNC, UVa, Duke, GaTech, very good but not nearly as powerful as the former quartet. Nonetheless, they can go with either quartet.

Edit: Only three ACC teams available once ND is included... bad math.

(08-02-2022 07:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  https://reignoftroy.com/posts/usc-trojan...washington
This was dated 07/31/2022 wonder if the B1G will actually pull the trigger on it. 20 and done.

Yes, this article is dated 7/31 but all I see is an opinion piece that appears to be based on Denis Dodds’ report from 7/27 (can’t tell for sure since the author’s link to his source doesn’t work, but he references Dodds by name and I don’t think Dodds has published anything more on the topic since then).

If there’s any news here it’s that at least some USC fans would be relieved if four more of their traditional Pac-12 rivals were accompanying them to the B1G.

(08-02-2022 09:27 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 09:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 09:11 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Not sure why the big 10 just wouldn’t jump to 24 by also adding Colorado, Kansas and 2 from Utah, Arizona and Ariz state. Than turn towards an 8 team division made up of ACC schools and/or a Texas school

The better question is why would they want to go to 24?

20 is just fine. That saves them 4 ACC slots. GaTech, Miami, FSU, UNC are all in play, and probably the best combo they can get.

Second tier would be UNC, UVa, Duke, GaTech, very good but not nearly as powerful as the former quartet. Nonetheless, they can go with either quartet.

could just combine that for 6 - if they're good, then they're good. Why should the B10 mess around?

Leaves 2 slots for Kansas and AZ state.

(08-02-2022 09:36 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  could just combine that for 6 - if they're good, then they're good. Why should the B10 mess around?

Sorry I messed up the addition, ND would be 21 at that point. I don't think they'd go 21 teams. ND would have to go in the west in that case, with 7/7/7.

The only way the PAC4 is added is if ND completely scoffs. If ND is in, I think they may decide 18 is the number with an additional PAC rival (Stanford in all likelihood). That way they can milk Fox with an 18 team pie.

But there is a good chance all 4 are added once ND walks, because the whole is greater than the sum sort of thing.

ND is not going to B1G. They are staying Independent. NBC will pay them.