(07-14-2022 05:43 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Abortion on demand has never been about women’s healthcare. Democrats aren’t screaming abortion is a constitutional right because they care about “women using coat hangers in dark alleys” to kill their unborn child.

What Democrats are really concerned about is the money they funnel through Planned Parenthood that comes back to them in donations to their party or campaign.

Its about the money. It’s been about the money since they convinced minority communities that killing their children is acceptable.

It’s a white liberal population control scheme. Democrats are getting paid to perform ethnic cleansing.

Straight from the National Library of Medicine.

“ Black women have been experiencing induced abortions at a rate nearly 4 times that of White women for at least 3 decades, and likely much longer. The impact in years of potential life lost, given abortion’s high incidence and racially skewed distribution, indicates that it is the most demographically consequential occurrence for the minority population. The science community has refused to engage on the subject and the popular media has essentially ignored it. In the current unfolding environment, there may be no better metric for the value of Black lives.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7436774/

Sounds like an easy way to reduce crime.

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(07-13-2022 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 12:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 12:11 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

I'm not saying that there probably aren't some of the centers ran by crazy people but it seems most are good places that want to give women care and support in place of them getting an abortion.

My church

What type of church do you attend? Episcopal? Universalist?

Protestant.

There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

What kind of regulations do they need?

They provide emotional and material support to pregnant women

Question is, does anyone on the left know what they're rallying for?

(07-14-2022 06:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

What kind of regulations do they need?

They provide emotional and material support to pregnant women

When they start doing ultrasounds, etc.

http://ultrasoundcertification.net/are-t...echnician/

Quote:According to most state laws, there are no ultrasound technician license requirements. Ultrasound technicians can actually work in the field without a license, and there are several ways to procure a position without any accreditation. However, as is the case in many other fields, you are more likely to earn more money if your credentials are registered

Only four states require it:
You do not need to be credentialed in ultrasound to legally work in the field of ultrasound unless you live in New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota or Oregon.

Cambridge health however, says Yes, you have to be licensed... or as a student ,applying for a temporary one..

(07-14-2022 07:27 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  http://ultrasoundcertification.net/are-t...echnician/

Quote:According to most state laws, there are no ultrasound technician license requirements. Ultrasound technicians can actually work in the field without a license, and there are several ways to procure a position without any accreditation. However, as is the case in many other fields, you are more likely to earn more money if your credentials are registered

Only four states require it:
You do not need to be credentialed in ultrasound to legally work in the field of ultrasound unless you live in New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota or Oregon.

Cambridge health however, says Yes, you have to be licensed... or as a student ,applying for a temporary one..

If only four states require it, then it's really not necessary.

Licensure requirements are a HUGE economic problem. In most cases, they're basically the modern equivalent of medieval trade guilds which seek to use their political influence to raise barriers to entry, thereby limiting the labor pool and increasing wages in the industry (at the expense of consumers).

There are over 1100 jobs that require licenses in at least one state, but only about 60 require licenses in all 50 states. Obviously, this means that the vast majority of licenses are not absolutely necessary.

Economists on the left, right, and center all agree that this is a major problem. Yet it keeps getting worse. A very detailed report by the Obama administration estimated that 1/4 of American workers now are mandated by state law to have a license.

(07-14-2022 06:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  What type of church do you attend? Episcopal? Universalist?

Protestant.

So like non-denominational? Baptist? Methodist? Lutheran? Church of Christ?

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Just like EVERY OTHER thing in the entire world.... From politics, to banking to religion and everything in between.


The answer is not SHUT IT DOWN. Pocahontas is basically playing tit-for-tat making that f-ing ridiculous statement.

She is nothing more than a Vindictive moron as well.

(07-14-2022 08:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  What type of church do you attend? Episcopal? Universalist?

Protestant.

So like non-denominational?

No.

(07-14-2022 08:29 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Just like EVERY OTHER thing in the entire world.... From politics, to banking to religion and everything in between.


The answer is not SHUT IT DOWN. Pocahontas is basically playing tit-for-tat making that f-ing ridiculous statement.

She is nothing more than a Vindictive moron as well.

Nowhere did I say that they all should be shut down. Move along.

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 08:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  What type of church do you attend? Episcopal? Universalist?

Protestant.

So like non-denominational?

No.

Ood that you won't say...

(07-14-2022 09:19 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 08:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-13-2022 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  What type of church do you attend? Episcopal? Universalist?

Protestant.

So like non-denominational?

No.

Ood that you won't say...

odd that you care

(07-14-2022 09:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:19 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 08:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Protestant.

So like non-denominational?

No.

Ood that you won't say...

odd that you care

Just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from. With all his posts, I was shocked that he said he goes to church. If someone has his beliefs, it doesn't compute that he attends a Christian/Protestant church.

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Oh, you mean like those bad actors that were making money selling the aborted fetuses?

(07-14-2022 09:43 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:19 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 08:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  So like non-denominational?

No.

Ood that you won't say...

odd that you care

Just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from. With all his posts, I was shocked that he said he goes to church. If someone has his beliefs, it doesn't compute that he attends a Christian/Protestant church.

It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

(07-14-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:43 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:19 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No.

Ood that you won't say...

odd that you care

Just trying to get a sense of where he's coming from. With all his posts, I was shocked that he said he goes to church. If someone has his beliefs, it doesn't compute that he attends a Christian/Protestant church.

It's really none of anyone's business, and the moderators like to keep religious talk out of this forum...these types of questions can only lead down that path.

If you want a sense of my beliefs, just know that I value the separation of church and state. I am totally at peace with my positions on political issues because they need to be free from a religious bent. We should not get to force our beliefs onto others when it comes to laws and the government, as our founders intended. For me, it's very easy to separate the two. Especially when it comes to abortion. I'm not a woman and I've never counseled anyone to have an abortion and never would unless their was a health of the mother/baby issue or if it was the result of rape or incest. I've made this quite clear dozens of times over the years here.

I don't want any more unnecessary abortions and want education to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

I wasn't aware that the mods were against religious talk on this forum. If so, my bad.

Just curious. And, I agree that we should not force our religious beliefs on others. I'm with you on that.

(07-14-2022 09:45 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-14-2022 06:53 AM)solohawks Wrote:  There is a lifestyle and culture component to pregnancy along with the medical component. The crisis pregnancy centers certainly are not the place to go for true medical care and most don't claim to meet that need. They are there to provide support to mothers during what can be a very challenging and disruptive stage in life if not planned and expected. Most do great work with tremendous love and passion

I agree, most likely do. The problem is likely that there's next to no regulations on them. So it's pretty easy for a bad actor to emerge.

Oh, you mean like those bad actors that were making money selling the aborted fetuses?

Oh, you mean that thing that never happened?
https://oversight.house.gov/planned-pare...-v-fiction

There are legal tissue donation programs that do provide compensation for the process of transferring the tissue. I'm not aware of anyone actually charged with any crimes in this area. But if you are aware, please cite the court case.