I remember something from years ago where some claimed that universities in the State of Florida couldn't be sued without permission from the state. Sovereign immunity I think. Not sure if Alabama has a law like that or not.

(06-28-2022 09:11 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 07:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the OVC wanted to be really petty and vindictive, they’d go after UCA, Austin Peay, UNA, and Kenn St as full members in an effort to orphan EKU.

Except the OVC already ticked off UNA by declining them and Peay is leaving due to the same poor management issues.

The way I sees it, is EKU, APSU and a couple others wanted UNA and NKU to be invited in 2011.

That coupled with other piss poor decisions that catered to a program that eventually left, and invited, the catered to another program that eventually left is why a couple, and possibly more long time OVC programs have left or is leaving....

If I was y'all, I would be looking at who is next from the OVC to leave and not if the ASUN or WAC is going to die... Or if UCA will leave...

I've talked to several people from all ASUN football schools, and non of them seemed worried....

But what do I know... Y'all are the experts....

(06-28-2022 10:41 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:11 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 07:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the OVC wanted to be really petty and vindictive, they’d go after UCA, Austin Peay, UNA, and Kenn St as full members in an effort to orphan EKU.

Except the OVC already ticked off UNA by declining them and Peay is leaving due to the same poor management issues.

The way I sees it, is EKU, APSU and a couple others wanted UNA and NKU to be invited in 2011.

That coupled with other piss poor decisions that catered to a program that eventually left, and invited, the catered to another program that eventually left is why a couple, and possibly more long time OVC programs have left or is leaving....

If I was y'all, I would be looking at who is next from the OVC to leave and not if the ASUN or WAC is going to die... Or if UCA will leave...

I've talked to several people from all ASUN football schools, and non of them seemed worried....

But what do I know... Y'all are the experts....

The piece I’m struggling with is why did the ASUN go out and waste a slot on Queens if they are trying to build a football conference? Shouldn’t that spot been used to add a football school from the OVC?

I think the ASun still eventually wants to be in a position to launch a southern non football conference if that opportunity were ever to arise. Queens gets them back at 7

(06-29-2022 06:02 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 10:41 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:11 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 07:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the OVC wanted to be really petty and vindictive, they’d go after UCA, Austin Peay, UNA, and Kenn St as full members in an effort to orphan EKU.

Except the OVC already ticked off UNA by declining them and Peay is leaving due to the same poor management issues.

The way I sees it, is EKU, APSU and a couple others wanted UNA and NKU to be invited in 2011.

That coupled with other piss poor decisions that catered to a program that eventually left, and invited, the catered to another program that eventually left is why a couple, and possibly more long time OVC programs have left or is leaving....

If I was y'all, I would be looking at who is next from the OVC to leave and not if the ASUN or WAC is going to die... Or if UCA will leave...

I've talked to several people from all ASUN football schools, and non of them seemed worried....

But what do I know... Y'all are the experts....

The piece I’m struggling with is why did the ASUN go out and waste a slot on Queens if they are trying to build a football conference? Shouldn’t that spot been used to add a football school from the OVC?

Didn't waste, IMO, would I rather a football school been added? Yes... But they have been talking to Queens and a few others for a while and that's the school the conference went with first.

The ASUN wants to hit a min of 14 schools, after JSU and Liberty leave( that didn't have football in ASUN) with the addition of Queens, we still have 12.

Then the ASUN can add 2 football schools for 14. That will be 7 football schools assuming nobody else leaves first.

Then if 16 is the number, and I have heard that number thrown around so we can have two 8 team divisions, the ASUN can go to at least 8 football schools but probably 9.
And they could come from D2 more easily because the rest of the conference will not be worried about an AQ while they are transitioning.

The addition of Queens evened out the league's numbers for 2022-23 in several key sports, including M/W basketball, W soccer, W volleyball, baseball, and softball.

(06-29-2022 10:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of Queens evened out the league's numbers for 2022-23 in several key sports, including M/W basketball, W soccer, W volleyball, baseball, and softball.

Queens, Lipscomb, and Bellarmine is a trio that makes sense together. Geographically reasonable, major southern markets, non football, private schools. When paired with the Florida 4 you have a very reasonable group of 7 non basketball schools in semi major/major markets

(06-28-2022 10:41 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:11 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 07:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the OVC wanted to be really petty and vindictive, they’d go after UCA, Austin Peay, UNA, and Kenn St as full members in an effort to orphan EKU.

Except the OVC already ticked off UNA by declining them and Peay is leaving due to the same poor management issues.

The way I sees it, is EKU, APSU and a couple others wanted UNA and NKU to be invited in 2011.

That coupled with other piss poor decisions that catered to a program that eventually left, and invited, the catered to another program that eventually left is why a couple, and possibly more long time OVC programs have left or is leaving....

If I was y'all, I would be looking at who is next from the OVC to leave and not if the ASUN or WAC is going to die... Or if UCA will leave...

I've talked to several people from all ASUN football schools, and non of them seemed worried....

But what do I know... Y'all are the experts....

No matter what JSU or EKU did or wanted that conference only cared about Belmont and Murray State. Not only did they not take UNA or North Kentucky which JSU and EKU begged them to do they led UNA and NKU on to take freaking SIU-Edwardsville.

When their Facebook or twitter mentioned conference news it was always “Belmonts water polo intramural beats local YMCA” meanwhile they might not even mention “JSU beats Ole Miss” when a dozen or so OVC baseball players got drafted they had all sorts of stuff on players from Belmont and Murray and a small comment basically “also this guy from JSU was picked in a higher round”

The OVC only cared about basketball meanwhile JSU and EKU were trying to be good at multiple sports. Being in the OVC hurt JSUs football because it allowed coaches like Crowe to be good enough to beat those schools brag about a 10 win season and get stomped in the 2nd round of the playoffs

(06-28-2022 10:41 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:11 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 07:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the OVC wanted to be really petty and vindictive, they’d go after UCA, Austin Peay, UNA, and Kenn St as full members in an effort to orphan EKU.

Except the OVC already ticked off UNA by declining them and Peay is leaving due to the same poor management issues.

The way I sees it, is EKU, APSU and a couple others wanted UNA and NKU to be invited in 2011.

That coupled with other piss poor decisions that catered to a program that eventually left, and invited, the catered to another program that eventually left is why a couple, and possibly more long time OVC programs have left or is leaving....

If I was y'all, I would be looking at who is next from the OVC to leave and not if the ASUN or WAC is going to die... Or if UCA will leave...

I've talked to several people from all ASUN football schools, and non of them seemed worried....

But what do I know... Y'all are the experts....

No matter what JSU or EKU did or wanted that conference only cared about Belmont and Murray State. Not only did they not take UNA or North Kentucky which JSU and EKU begged them to do they led UNA and NKU on to take freaking SIU-Edwardsville.

When there Facebook or twitter mentioned conference news it was always “Belmonts water polo intramural beats local YMCA” meanwhile they might not even mention “JSU beats Ole Miss” when a dozen or so OVC baseball players got drafted they had all sorts of stuff on players from Belmont and Murray and a small comment basically “also this guy from JSU was picked in a higher round”

The OVC only cared about basketball meanwhile JSU and EKU were trying to be good at multiple sports. Being in the OVC hurt JSUs football because it allowed coaches like Crowe to be good enough to beat those schools brag about a 10 win season and get stomped in the 2nd round of the playoffs

Anyway, next hearing is tomorrow.

(06-24-2022 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 07:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If this suit gets messy and EKU comes out looking bad-- it could slow C-USA's consideration of them for membership IMHO. Probably not-- these adds are "business". They should pay their 1 mil. and get this over with before it blows up in their face.

Jax State hasn't paid their million, yet CUSA is letting them in. Also, CUSA is cool with UAB not having to pay their exit fees I assume.

Conference USA structures their exit fees in the form of withheld distributions. UAB doesn't have to cut a check to the conference--the conference just doesn't send UAB a check in June 2022 or 23 and they're square.

That was part of CUSA's problem with Marshall, USM and ODU leaving a year early--if you're not in the conference, there are no distributions to withhold, so you've given yourself a 50% discount on the exit fee. As predicted, the settlement was for about the amount that CUSA schools were getting per year in conference distributions.

EDIT: YEah, 5 or 6 other people already said this.

The ASUN’s plan was to get about 8-10 football schools into the league and then have the football half split off and join FBS. The league owns a swimming conference they were going to use to stick the leftover non-football schools in. I wasn’t sure about the whole deal and didn’t see the NCAA approving it.

Glad we got the FBS golden ticket. I feel bad for those stuck in the ASUN as the OVC looks more stable right now.

I read articles that Lipscomb, Bellarmine, Queens, North Florida and FGCU looking into adding football. Only Bellarmine added Sprint Football, but in a few years, could be regular football.

For them to keep UCA in the fold? ASUN must sell to UAPB, Jackson State and Tennessee State to join and try to join FBS. Those three have the stadium size, but you also give UCA a travel partner.

(06-29-2022 07:28 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  The ASUN’s plan was to get about 8-10 football schools into the league and then have the football half split off and join FBS. The league owns a swimming conference they were going to use to stick the leftover non-football schools in. I wasn’t sure about the whole deal and didn’t see the NCAA approving it.

Glad we got the FBS golden ticket. I feel bad for those stuck in the ASUN as the OVC looks more stable right now.

It was basically like when JSU was talking to a few teams around 2008ish about making a FBS conference or forming a WAC-East to get past needing an invite.

I always thought Liberty was a big part of the ASUN football plan. I thought they would help pay for the ASUN to challenge the NCAA in court and if it worked it would have given Liberty a home. Then Texas and Oklahoma happened and everything went to hell but hey it worked out for JSU and Liberty. I liked the ASUN I want it to work

(06-29-2022 04:45 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Anyway, next hearing is tomorrow.

I thought when this first was announced EKU said like Alabama That Kentucky had a similar law that said the Colonels didn’t have to pay?

(06-29-2022 09:47 PM)Hradmiralsfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 04:45 PM)EKUSteve Wrote:  Anyway, next hearing is tomorrow.

I thought when this first was announced EKU said like Alabama That Kentucky had a similar law that said the Colonels didn’t have to pay?

Tried that. Court said no. EKU appealed but case could move forward while appeal is heard. EKU counter sued. Where we are at now.

(06-29-2022 06:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 07:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If this suit gets messy and EKU comes out looking bad-- it could slow C-USA's consideration of them for membership IMHO. Probably not-- these adds are "business". They should pay their 1 mil. and get this over with before it blows up in their face.

Jax State hasn't paid their million, yet CUSA is letting them in. Also, CUSA is cool with UAB not having to pay their exit fees I assume.

Conference USA structures their exit fees in the form of withheld distributions. UAB doesn't have to cut a check to the conference--the conference just doesn't send UAB a check in June 2022 or 23 and they're square.

That was part of CUSA's problem with Marshall, USM and ODU leaving a year early--if you're not in the conference, there are no distributions to withhold, so you've given yourself a 50% discount on the exit fee. As predicted, the settlement was for about the amount that CUSA schools were getting per year in conference distributions.

EDIT: YEah, 5 or 6 other people already said this.

Yes. The SBC3 tried to skip town without paying the full bill. It didn't work. Turns out distributions are easier to enforce than exit fees IMHO. Now EKU is trying the same thing.

(06-29-2022 10:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 06:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 07:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If this suit gets messy and EKU comes out looking bad-- it could slow C-USA's consideration of them for membership IMHO. Probably not-- these adds are "business". They should pay their 1 mil. and get this over with before it blows up in their face.

Jax State hasn't paid their million, yet CUSA is letting them in. Also, CUSA is cool with UAB not having to pay their exit fees I assume.

Conference USA structures their exit fees in the form of withheld distributions. UAB doesn't have to cut a check to the conference--the conference just doesn't send UAB a check in June 2022 or 23 and they're square.

That was part of CUSA's problem with Marshall, USM and ODU leaving a year early--if you're not in the conference, there are no distributions to withhold, so you've given yourself a 50% discount on the exit fee. As predicted, the settlement was for about the amount that CUSA schools were getting per year in conference distributions.

EDIT: YEah, 5 or 6 other people already said this.

Yes. The SBC3 tried to skip town without paying the full bill. It didn't work. Turns out distributions are easier to enforce than exit fees IMHO. Now EKU is trying the same thing.

SBC3 tried to leave early which CUSA did not want to negotiate and tried making us stay.

(06-29-2022 10:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 06:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 07:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If this suit gets messy and EKU comes out looking bad-- it could slow C-USA's consideration of them for membership IMHO. Probably not-- these adds are "business". They should pay their 1 mil. and get this over with before it blows up in their face.

Jax State hasn't paid their million, yet CUSA is letting them in. Also, CUSA is cool with UAB not having to pay their exit fees I assume.

Conference USA structures their exit fees in the form of withheld distributions. UAB doesn't have to cut a check to the conference--the conference just doesn't send UAB a check in June 2022 or 23 and they're square.

That was part of CUSA's problem with Marshall, USM and ODU leaving a year early--if you're not in the conference, there are no distributions to withhold, so you've given yourself a 50% discount on the exit fee. As predicted, the settlement was for about the amount that CUSA schools were getting per year in conference distributions.

EDIT: YEah, 5 or 6 other people already said this.

Yes. The SBC3 tried to skip town without paying the full bill. It didn't work. Turns out distributions are easier to enforce than exit fees IMHO. Now EKU is trying the same thing.

Bitter?

(06-30-2022 08:54 AM)benny_t Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 10:01 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 06:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 06:46 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 07:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If this suit gets messy and EKU comes out looking bad-- it could slow C-USA's consideration of them for membership IMHO. Probably not-- these adds are "business". They should pay their 1 mil. and get this over with before it blows up in their face.

Jax State hasn't paid their million, yet CUSA is letting them in. Also, CUSA is cool with UAB not having to pay their exit fees I assume.

Conference USA structures their exit fees in the form of withheld distributions. UAB doesn't have to cut a check to the conference--the conference just doesn't send UAB a check in June 2022 or 23 and they're square.

That was part of CUSA's problem with Marshall, USM and ODU leaving a year early--if you're not in the conference, there are no distributions to withhold, so you've given yourself a 50% discount on the exit fee. As predicted, the settlement was for about the amount that CUSA schools were getting per year in conference distributions.

EDIT: YEah, 5 or 6 other people already said this.

Yes. The SBC3 tried to skip town without paying the full bill. It didn't work. Turns out distributions are easier to enforce than exit fees IMHO. Now EKU is trying the same thing.

SBC3 tried to leave early which CUSA did not want to negotiate and tried making us stay.

Ended up not mattering. the CUSA --> SB3 settled for about the amount they would have had withheld in distributions if they had stayed the required 14 months, which is probably what they would have offered if CUSA were willing to settle in January.