(06-23-2022 02:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Creighton at Eastern?

Most successful guy in program history. I imagine he has a job for life as long as he gets to a bowl every 3-4 years.

(06-22-2022 12:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  James Franklin (Penn State) - Two straight meh seasons, mediocrity doesn't cut it in Happy Valley.

And yet, he keeps getting extensions and raises. Of course, that was under a different president-AD combo. And I think that’s deliberate, so the school can stay out of that “football culture” stigma to some extent. Keep a guy who can win and has enough talent that they’re always talked about, even if the final results fail to thrill.

Does that keep going for the guy, or is it time to stop that act. Let him walk if he tries to leverage his options again, just because he gets…wow, ten wins. Close but no cigar.

(06-23-2022 01:57 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 01:43 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  In Bowling Green, the seat is lukewarm. Scot Loeffler needs to keep showing progress. While he seems to be on the right trajectory (the Falcons went from a bad 0-5 in 2020 to 4-8 in 2021), fans are impatient. This has been the longest run of bad football at Bowling Green in school history.

This will be Loeffler's fourth season. If he doesn't manage 6-6 or better, it could obviously be rough going. The schedule this year won't do him many favors either, with UCLA, Mississippi State, and Marshall all on the board in nonconference play.

Imo unless BG goes 3-9 or worse he'll get at least one other season considering the mess he inherited. A win against Toledo would certainly help his case. There aren't any obvious candidates in the MAC besides him and Albin though, everyone else either has some breathing room or are still new enough to get a pass on a rough season.

That's probably right. I'm unsure what he needs to do to get an extension. (He has two years left.) Would 6-6 and a bowl game be enough, considering how far he had to move this program to get there? Many of our fans might howl. I don't know.

The other wildcard here is whether our athletic director remains in Bowling Green. If he leaves for another job, then Loeffler's performance might get reviewed more skeptically by the next person.

(06-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I know it would be expensive to fire him after just 2 seasons, but does anybody think Bryan Harsin at Auburn would survive another 6-6 regular season?

...I've seen a few 'early predictions' on SEC West ranking that had AU in dead last, which would be a harsinger of doom for Harsin (see what I tried to do there? )...

Perhaps Calzada can work out for them, or whoever else they have down there at QB presently... but I figure they will win a few folks aren't expecting... the key game early is the home one against Penn State - if they can get that one, it might get them to a 8 win season... ...but Bama (road), UGA (road), A&M (home), and probably Ole Miss (road) will be most likely 'sure' Ls, so... 8 wins is probably the ceiling...

...another factor is this is the last year of AD Allen Greene's contract, and it will be interesting to see if he is renewed... A new AD may have their first task be a coaching change... two years isn't long, but NEVER underestimate the actions of the 'powers that be' behind the scenes on the Plains...

(06-24-2022 12:04 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I know it would be expensive to fire him after just 2 seasons, but does anybody think Bryan Harsin at Auburn would survive another 6-6 regular season?

...I've seen a few 'early predictions' on SEC West ranking that had AU in dead last, which would be a harsinger of doom for Harsin (see what I tried to do there? )...

Perhaps Calzada can work out for them, or whoever else they have down there at QB presently... but I figure they will win a few folks aren't expecting... the key game early is the home one against Penn State - if they can get that one, it might get them to a 8 win season... ...but Bama (road), UGA (road), A&M (home), and probably Ole Miss (road) will be most likely 'sure' Ls, so... 8 wins is probably the ceiling...

...another factor is this is the last year of AD Allen Greene's contract, and it will be interesting to see if he is renewed... A new AD may have their first task be a coaching change... two years isn't long, but NEVER underestimate the actions of the 'powers that be' behind the scenes on the Plains...

And Auburn paid $21 million to buyout Malzahn and hire a downgrade.

(06-23-2022 04:28 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 12:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  James Franklin (Penn State) - Two straight meh seasons, mediocrity doesn't cut it in Happy Valley.

And yet, he keeps getting extensions and raises. Of course, that was under a different president-AD combo. And I think that’s deliberate, so the school can stay out of that “football culture” stigma to some extent. Keep a guy who can win and has enough talent that they’re always talked about, even if the final results fail to thrill.

Does that keep going for the guy, or is it time to stop that act. Let him walk if he tries to leverage his options again, just because he gets…wow, ten wins. Close but no cigar.

This last extension was brought on due to him hiring a new agent and rumors started about him bolting for USC.

And yes new President and AD are now installed. I think Franklin's days are numbered though.

(06-22-2022 01:12 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some additional names off top of my head would include:

Jeff Scott at USF
Geoff Collins at Georgia Tech
Jedd Fisch at Arizona

If Texas has another year like last does Sark make it to year 3?

Geoff Collins at Georgia Tech is going to be fired. They are tired of the used car salesman. If they keep him, I'd expect the fan base to start to turn on AD Todd Stansbury.

Jeff Scott at USF is probably safe.
Their schedule is probably the toughest in the G5.
BYU season opener, @Florida, @Louisville, @Cincy, and @Houston.
I think he gets at least a season in the new AAC in 2023. He gets fired if they lose to FAU in 2023.

I would say Stockstill at Middle Tennessee, but he has a forever contract.

Yes, I'm surprised Collins is still at Tech. Thought he'd get fired after this past season.

Geoff Collins seat is thermonuclear. Bowl game or get fired, that simple*.

* Beating UGA is a get out of jail free card for any GT coach... he could have one win for the season but if it's UGA he's fine. <Wayne> Chah, and monkeys might fly outta my butt. </Wayne>

(06-22-2022 05:07 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 02:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Searing white hot:
Mike Bloomgren (Rice)

I wonder if the transition year from C-USA to the AAC will help Rice with recruiting? Because I've always said that even though I don't like y'all, I'd rather y'all still do well when we do well at the same time because it's good for the City of Houston to have two high-quality football programs. And I know Rice has the potential to be great.

So I wish you luck in the AAC. I hope you make an immediate impact in the league.

That's a pretty optimistic assessment of Rice's potential. They are rarely good, much less great. But that also means expectations of a coach aren't very high as a rule, so if the Owls can stay mediocre he could hang on.

(06-22-2022 12:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Figured it'd be an interesting offseason conversation. Here are some that come to mind for some northern programs:

Warm/Hot:
Scott Frost (Nebraska) - Season five in Lincoln, time for the Huskers to show serious improvement. I imagine it's bowl or bust for him, at the minimum.
James Franklin (Penn State) - Two straight meh seasons, mediocrity doesn't cut it in Happy Valley.
Dino Babers (Syracuse) - Only one winning season out of six, only four ACC wins the past three years.
Tom Allen (IU) - The Hoosiers were awful last season and made some staff changes, but if they're bad again I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go.

Lukewarm:
Tim Albin (Ohio U) - Solich was consistently competitive but they immediately fell back immediately after he retired, if that repeats they might look for an external hire to rebuild.
Ken Niumataolo (Navy) - Has had great careers in a tough job but they've slipped recently, especially as they've seen Army become improve the past five or so years. There's a point where he'll be vulnerable, even if it might not be quite yet.

Franklin just signed a long-term, huge $$$, contract last summer. He isn't going anywhere for several years.

(06-24-2022 05:36 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 12:04 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 06:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I know it would be expensive to fire him after just 2 seasons, but does anybody think Bryan Harsin at Auburn would survive another 6-6 regular season?

...I've seen a few 'early predictions' on SEC West ranking that had AU in dead last, which would be a harsinger of doom for Harsin (see what I tried to do there? )...

Perhaps Calzada can work out for them, or whoever else they have down there at QB presently... but I figure they will win a few folks aren't expecting... the key game early is the home one against Penn State - if they can get that one, it might get them to a 8 win season... ...but Bama (road), UGA (road), A&M (home), and probably Ole Miss (road) will be most likely 'sure' Ls, so... 8 wins is probably the ceiling...

...another factor is this is the last year of AD Allen Greene's contract, and it will be interesting to see if he is renewed... A new AD may have their first task be a coaching change... two years isn't long, but NEVER underestimate the actions of the 'powers that be' behind the scenes on the Plains...

And Auburn paid $21 million to buyout Malzahn and hire a downgrade.

...yeah, money is evidently not an issue for the AU fat cats... I guess the YellaWood dude has raked in gobs of it since the lumber $$$ surge, so what's another former HC on the payroll? I'm pretty sure Tuberville is still getting paid off by AU.

Harsin is a solid coach I believe, but just doesn't seem to be a 'fit' at Auburn, for whatever reason... if he is ousted, I think I'd throw whatever $$$ they have left towards Mark Stoops, who has taken UK about as far as they can go, realistically...

(06-24-2022 09:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Geoff Collins seat is thermonuclear. Bowl game or get fired, that simple*.

* Beating UGA is a get out of jail free card for any GT coach... he could have one win for the season but if it's UGA he's fine. <Wayne> Chah, and monkeys might fly outta my butt. </Wayne>

Are you saying “he’s not worthy, he’s not worthy”?

(06-24-2022 06:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  And yes new President and AD are now installed. I think Franklin's days are numbered though.

I think you're right. If just on that notion of "he's not our guy" that can exist with new leadership. Especially when there's a new AD, and both the coach and AD aren't just new to the school (as Franklin was hired when Joyner was AD and Barber inherited CJF of sorts).

If there's any reason why I doubt his place on a list is that who knows how the Bendapudi-Kraft dynamic will work. I know the whispers are out there for Matt Rhule, and that was a big topic on PSU boards when Kraft was hired, but if Penn State fashions itself as "big time," and CJF legitimately does get looks at some of the other top football schools, CJF continues then to fit the mold there at Penn State, even if there are fans who can no longer deal (but still show up).

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

(06-24-2022 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 05:07 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 02:12 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Searing white hot:
Mike Bloomgren (Rice)

I wonder if the transition year from C-USA to the AAC will help Rice with recruiting? Because I've always said that even though I don't like y'all, I'd rather y'all still do well when we do well at the same time because it's good for the City of Houston to have two high-quality football programs. And I know Rice has the potential to be great.

So I wish you luck in the AAC. I hope you make an immediate impact in the league.

That's a pretty optimistic assessment of Rice's potential. They are rarely good, much less great. But that also means expectations of a coach aren't very high as a rule, so if the Owls can stay mediocre he could hang on.

I'm going off of the move to the AAC next July, their increased commitment to athletics, and the fact they're near the Museum district, Hermann Park, the Medical Center, and within five or so miles of Downtown Houston. (Yes, their academics are higher than most FBS schools, but they can still get some quality, coachable players to go there.)

(06-22-2022 12:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Figured it'd be an interesting offseason conversation. Here are some that come to mind for some northern programs:

Warm/Hot:
Scott Frost (Nebraska) - Season five in Lincoln, time for the Huskers to show serious improvement. I imagine it's bowl or bust for him, at the minimum.
James Franklin (Penn State) - Two straight meh seasons, mediocrity doesn't cut it in Happy Valley.
Dino Babers (Syracuse) - Only one winning season out of six, only four ACC wins the past three years.
Tom Allen (IU) - The Hoosiers were awful last season and made some staff changes, but if they're bad again I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go.

Lukewarm:
Tim Albin (Ohio U) - Solich was consistently competitive but they immediately fell back immediately after he retired, if that repeats they might look for an external hire to rebuild.
Ken Niumataolo (Navy) - Has had great careers in a tough job but they've slipped recently, especially as they've seen Army become improve the past five or so years. There's a point where he'll be vulnerable, even if it might not be quite yet.

I love Scott Frost but he has really floundered at Nebraska. I think he has misgivings about taking the job. He should have listened to that little voice inside his head. He has to get them to a bowl this year and probably would win it to keep his job.

I really thought that if anyone could win fairly consistently at Syracuse it would be Babers. He will be gone if the Orangemen don’t get to a bowl this season.

I think Babers and Frost could thrive at the right school. Hopefully they get things turned around at Nebraska and Syracuse this season.

(06-26-2022 11:12 AM)No Bull Wrote:  I love Scott Frost but he has really floundered at Nebraska. I think he has misgivings about taking the job. He should have listened to that little voice inside his head. He has to get them to a bowl this year and probably would win it to keep his job.

I can't blame Frost for leaving to Nebraska, it's a once in a lifetime chance to coach your childhood team/alma mater and if he succeeds in getting the Huskers back he'll be a legend in Lincoln. But the program and the people surrounding it have turned toxic, who knows how it gets fixed if Frost fails this season (and ultimately has failed in his tenure).

NU has a soft schedule to start the season, they should be 3-0 when they host OU and then have IU/Rutgers after that. If they can't get enough momentum then before they run into Minnesota/Michigan/Wisconsin/Iowa then Frost is toast.

(06-26-2022 08:52 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Can I just point out that chart still lists "Randy Edsall" as the Coach at Uconn and lists Uconn as being in the AAC...

And it also lists Sonny Dykes as the Coach at SMU.

So...unreliable?