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Having rivals is a very good thing for both schools.
I may not like ODU, but I respect them and think we need each other.
Being in the Sun Belt also opens up possibilities for other rivalries. I really believe JMU/Marshall has the potential to be a big one, not to mention our history with App State.
But ODU will probably always be the natural rival.
I hate to admit it, but I miss playing ODU every year.
And when it comes to football, it's a long time coming for us to get a W.

This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

too much trying to game the system. do what is good for the game, the city the state the schools. ODU will be back and then they wont play VCU for spite. sort of the UMD / G'town fued from years ago.

I give UVa's Elliott credit. He wants to play in state FBS schools. He believes it is good for college football. I agree, UVA will get at least 10k more tickets sold for JMU then they would have if they scheduled a bowling green, etc. Keep the money in state and with state schools why give Miami of Oh a $500k check when you can give it to JMU? Doesnt that make more sense?

(06-17-2022 08:58 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

too much trying to game the system. do what is good for the game, the city the state the schools. ODU will be back and then they wont play VCU for spite. sort of the UMD / G'town fued from years ago.

I give UVa's Elliott credit. He wants to play in state FBS schools. He believes it is good for college football. I agree, UVA will get at least 10k more tickets sold for JMU then they would have if they scheduled a bowling green, etc. Keep the money in state and with state schools why give Miami of Oh a $500k check when you can give it to JMU? Doesnt that make more sense?

In the short term it may benefit VCU, but not in the long term. I believe the Sun Belt is on its way up, not down. And when it's on its way up, I really hope they don't give them the time of day.
Also, if the Sun Belt band together, they won't just lose ODU, but us as well.
The A-10 needs to be careful what they wish for, because they may just get it.

(06-17-2022 08:58 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  [quote='AssyrianDuke' pid='18277323' dateline='1655473872']
I give UVa's Elliott credit. He wants to play in state FBS schools. He believes it is good for college football. I agree, UVA will get at least 10k more tickets sold for JMU then they would have if they scheduled a bowling green, etc. Keep the money in state and with state schools why give Miami of Oh a $500k check when you can give it to JMU? Doesnt that make more sense?

True, except UVA will not be going after the same recruits as Bowling Green or Miami. Giving that money to JMU then chasing the same recruits, possibly losing some as well as a game to a school that you consider inferior can be a kick in the sack.

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

I hate that I need to disagree but this is the new college sports world we play in. VCU doesn't care all that much about butts in seats and selling popcorn, Unlike football it's chump change. It's more about about the national TV deals, corporate sponsors, and forcing donors to give more every year. A ticket for a VCU game is relatively cheap, it's the donation that allows you to buy that seat that cost the money.

The expectation is NCAAT most every year, don't meet expectations, the cash cows dry up, recruits look elsewhere. Every opponent's strength matters when you are playing the NET/RPI numbers game. Like it or not, VCU playing ODU or JMU at this point comes with little reward. I would be surprised if the A-10 told all of their basketball members to drop their OOC dead weight to boost the entire conference.

I do agree that may be cutting their nose off to spite their face but JMU could find themselves in a similar situation at some point. I do miss the days when college sports was less of a business.

(06-17-2022 02:56 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

I hate that I need to disagree but this is the new college sports world we play in. VCU doesn't care all that much about butts in seats and selling popcorn, Unlike football it's chump change. It's more about about the national TV deals, corporate sponsors, and forcing donors to give more every year. A ticket for a VCU game is relatively cheap, it's the donation that allows you to buy that seat that cost the money.

The expectation is NCAAT most every year, don't meet expectations, the cash cows dry up, recruits look elsewhere. Every opponent's strength matters when you are playing the NET/RPI numbers game. Like it or not, VCU playing ODU or JMU at this point comes with little reward. I would be surprised if the A-10 told all of their basketball members to drop their OOC dead weight to boost the entire conference.

I do agree that may be cutting their nose off to spite their face but JMU could find themselves in a similar situation at some point. I do miss the days when college sports was less of a business.

NASCAR was of the same opinion, they went hard after the TV cash after a period of good times, they crashed and are having to dust themselves off. Today they are losing their arse and letting employees go. I believe they may have caught themselves just in the nick of time, but abandoning the folks (fans) who got you to a good place is not a good idea.

(06-17-2022 02:56 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

I hate that I need to disagree but this is the new college sports world we play in. VCU doesn't care all that much about butts in seats and selling popcorn, Unlike football it's chump change. It's more about about the national TV deals, corporate sponsors, and forcing donors to give more every year. A ticket for a VCU game is relatively cheap, it's the donation that allows you to buy that seat that cost the money.

The expectation is NCAAT most every year, don't meet expectations, the cash cows dry up, recruits look elsewhere. Every opponent's strength matters when you are playing the NET/RPI numbers game. Like it or not, VCU playing ODU or JMU at this point comes with little reward. I would be surprised if the A-10 told all of their basketball members to drop their OOC dead weight to boost the entire conference.

I do agree that may be cutting their nose off to spite their face but JMU could find themselves in a similar situation at some point. I do miss the days when college sports was less of a business.

While the A-10 is certainly a better conference than the CAA and Sun Belt, they are still not a major conference by any stretch. I fail to see how no longer playing a regional rival that is historically competitive helps them at all. There are also quite a few bad teams in the A10 that playing twice in a season can really hurt RPI/NET.

A-10 teams generally play 10-12 OOC games per season, does VCU really expect those games to be filled with SEC/ACC/Big Ten teams from here on out? Do they think that the Marylands or Tennessees are really banging on their door to come play in Richmond with regularity?

Seems extremely short sighted with the biggest losers being the fans who enjoy watching the two teams compete against each other.

VCU, and by extension the A10, isn’t all that. Any suggestion that VCU (and Richmond and GMU) are in a position of MBB power is laughable.

JMU, and the SBC, can concentrate on improving their own position regarding MBB without VCU. When the Rams, Spiders and Patriots wake-up and realize they need ODU (and JMU) our ADs cam negotiate home and away contracts as equals.

I'm cool with not having to be around VCU and Mason fans

(06-17-2022 02:56 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

I hate that I need to disagree but this is the new college sports world we play in. VCU doesn't care all that much about butts in seats and selling popcorn, Unlike football it's chump change. It's more about about the national TV deals, corporate sponsors, and forcing donors to give more every year. A ticket for a VCU game is relatively cheap, it's the donation that allows you to buy that seat that cost the money.

The expectation is NCAAT most every year, don't meet expectations, the cash cows dry up, recruits look elsewhere. Every opponent's strength matters when you are playing the NET/RPI numbers game. Like it or not, VCU playing ODU or JMU at this point comes with little reward. I would be surprised if the A-10 told all of their basketball members to drop their OOC dead weight to boost the entire conference.

I do agree that may be cutting their nose off to spite their face but JMU could find themselves in a similar situation at some point. I do miss the days when college sports was less of a business.

The odds of VCU even making the NCAA next year is slim. NIT is best they can hope for. VCU has an average at best coach that’s over paid. He’s on the hot seat. The A10 is sinking in credibility. The bottom half from Mason down sucks. That’s not ODU fault if more than half the A10 teams are bottom 150. Last year if Richmond doesn’t win the tournament A10 is a one bid league. In the future the best they will get 2 teams. Outside of basketball VCU athletics has nothing. A successful Sunbelt football team will do better nationally than a one and done A10 team. Why do you think they are worried. And as others have said ODU will be back. Only had 1 really bad year. I’m allowed to comment on VCU as an MCV grad. They are an arrogant pot and pan operation from people I’ve talked to in the AD.

Mason not scheduling JMU hurts Mason as much as JMU, are we not one of their best attended home games?

Same for VCU and Richmond.

If this A10 crap is true, the A10 is LT hurting its own members.

The A10 is not all that and a bag of cheetos

(06-17-2022 08:58 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(06-17-2022 08:51 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  This comes on the heels of VCU cancelling their rivalry series with ODU, as they were concerned about RPI and NET repercussions from ODU joining the Sun Belt. To me, this is a cowardly move. These in state rivalries should be celebrated and it should be more meaningful than achieving numbers. You know what numbers really matter to these games? Butts in seats. Revenue at the gate, in the concession line, at the parking lots. Eyeballs on TV screens. Feels like VCU is cutting off their nose to spite their face here.

too much trying to game the system. do what is good for the game, the city the state the schools. ODU will be back and then they wont play VCU for spite. sort of the UMD / G'town fued from years ago.

I give UVa's Elliott credit. He wants to play in state FBS schools. He believes it is good for college football. I agree, UVA will get at least 10k more tickets sold for JMU then they would have if they scheduled a bowling green, etc. Keep the money in state and with state schools why give Miami of Oh a $500k check when you can give it to JMU? Doesnt that make more sense?

It makes lots of sense. I'd love to see JMU, ODU, VCU, UVA, VT, GMU, even VMI, Radford, and Longwood playing each other regularly in as many sports as make sense. Football doesn't have enough weekends to support that much, but some games would still be great, and there's no reason not to have a Virginia tournament in basketball, baseball, softball, and so on.

You would think that the schools that are state funded and in the same division would be required to play each other like other states do

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When conferences do this, it isn't from a position of power. You never hear about P5 conferences doing this. Why? They don't need to.
The A-10 is cutting off their nose to spite their face. They are having issues within their conference and seems like they are placing blame outside their conference instead of within.
Look at what conferences do to improve. Very rarely does restricting access to another conference solve the issue. If anything it will create issues, not solve them.
Restricting VCU and GMU from playing regional teams doesn't help them. And what happens if we improve? Now their conference has hurt any chances of them getting a quality opponent.
I don't blame VCU and GMU for this as I'm sure they were not happy about this (if true). I hope the A-10 suffers from this move. I believe it will.

(06-18-2022 09:51 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  When conferences do this, it isn't from a position of power. You never hear about P5 conferences doing this. Why? They don't need to.
The A-10 is cutting off their nose to spite their face. They are having issues within their conference and seems like they are placing blame outside their conference instead of within.
Look at what conferences do to improve. Very rarely does restricting access to another conference solve the issue. If anything it will create issues, not solve them.
Restricting VCU and GMU from playing regional teams doesn't help them. And what happens if we improve? Now their conference has hurt any chances of them getting a quality opponent.
I don't blame VCU and GMU for this as I'm sure they were not happy about this (if true). I hope the A-10 suffers from this move. I believe it will.

I do recall the Big Ten saying they would be asking their members to no longer schedule FCS opponents when they first expanded egregiously back in like 2013. Last I checked though, most of their schools not named Ohio State and Michigan still have games scheduled against FCS squads this season or on the near horizon.

(06-20-2022 01:26 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 09:51 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  When conferences do this, it isn't from a position of power. You never hear about P5 conferences doing this. Why? They don't need to.
The A-10 is cutting off their nose to spite their face. They are having issues within their conference and seems like they are placing blame outside their conference instead of within.
Look at what conferences do to improve. Very rarely does restricting access to another conference solve the issue. If anything it will create issues, not solve them.
Restricting VCU and GMU from playing regional teams doesn't help them. And what happens if we improve? Now their conference has hurt any chances of them getting a quality opponent.
I don't blame VCU and GMU for this as I'm sure they were not happy about this (if true). I hope the A-10 suffers from this move. I believe it will.

I do recall the Big Ten saying they would be asking their members to no longer schedule FCS opponents when they first expanded egregiously back in like 2013. Last I checked though, most of their schools not named Ohio State and Michigan still have games scheduled against FCS squads this season or on the near horizon.

Yeah, I do remember that. While not my favorite move, I can at least understand that as FCS is a different level of football. If they were doing that with the G5 that's a bit different.
Also in football a team only has 12 games to prove themselves. If one of those is spent on an "easy win" then it weakens their strength of schedule.
Basketball has a lot more games and a game or two against what could be considered easy competition isn't weighted quite the same.
The other thing that's odd is that there are conferences weaker than the Sun Belt. Why isn't the A-10 ruling all of those out as well? Perhaps they are.

(06-20-2022 01:26 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 09:51 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  When conferences do this, it isn't from a position of power. You never hear about P5 conferences doing this. Why? They don't need to.
The A-10 is cutting off their nose to spite their face. They are having issues within their conference and seems like they are placing blame outside their conference instead of within.
Look at what conferences do to improve. Very rarely does restricting access to another conference solve the issue. If anything it will create issues, not solve them.
Restricting VCU and GMU from playing regional teams doesn't help them. And what happens if we improve? Now their conference has hurt any chances of them getting a quality opponent.
I don't blame VCU and GMU for this as I'm sure they were not happy about this (if true). I hope the A-10 suffers from this move. I believe it will.

I do recall the Big Ten saying they would be asking their members to no longer schedule FCS opponents when they first expanded egregiously back in like 2013. Last I checked though, most of their schools not named Ohio State and Michigan still have games scheduled against FCS squads this season or on the near horizon.

Even Ohio State has Youngstown State coming to Columbus for a game. Only Michigan is left to schedule a FCS game. It's funny, the last FCS game for the Wolverines was Appy in 2014, it was their revenge game against the Mountaineers.

Ohio State has always taken care of YSU, goes back many years ago to when Tressel was HC at YSU, continued when he got to OSU, and then when he returned to Y.SU again as President