(06-16-2022 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?"

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

this is why long term La Tech needs to be in the SBC. THeres way too much hatred there to not capitalize.

IMO, LA-Tech has the most incomprehensible view of itself of all FBS schools. And that's saying something, as the competition in that domain is extremely fierce.

(06-16-2022 11:23 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years. People need to calm down and let it play out. Including leadership at WKU and MTSU.

Not sure the only G5 ahead of CUSA now is MWC. Will be hard to overtake one who you are ahead of.

Holy Moly

(06-16-2022 12:24 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  And while the AAC overexpanded - Aresco is a moron for going to 14 - they still have several top tier G5 programs, plus UTSA is about to take off. If USF gets it together, they'd have 4-5 of the top 7 or 8 programs in the G5.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Pretty decent chance Memphis, USF and SMU get promoted at some point in the not too distant future.

If the American is then left with 7, 8 or 9 teams, who's to say it doesn't make it easier for the Sun Belt to snatch up a few of those schools during the uncertainty?

The last thing Mikey A wants is for the AAC not to be viewed as a step up from the SBC or C-USA

(06-16-2022 12:35 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:24 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  And while the AAC overexpanded - Aresco is a moron for going to 14 - they still have several top tier G5 programs, plus UTSA is about to take off. If USF gets it together, they'd have 4-5 of the top 7 or 8 programs in the G5.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Pretty decent chance Memphis, USF and SMU wet promoted at some point in the not too distant future.

If the American is then left with 7, 8 or 9 teams, who's to say it doesn't make it easier for the Sun Belt to snatch up a few of those schools during the uncertainty?

The last thing Mikey A wants is for the AAC not to be viewed as a step up from the SBC or C-USA

IMO, we badly overexpanded, and with the wrong teams. Should have taken two teams at most, and with established football programs, not "market projects".

All we can do is hope for the best - because I don't believe USF is going anywhere either.

(06-16-2022 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  All we can do is hope for the best - because I don't believe USF is going anywhere either.

"Patience, grasshopper"

(06-16-2022 12:24 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Dude. CUSA is dead last right now until some of the FCS call-ups prove themselves. The remaining schools haven't been good enough to carry NMSU and all the FCS schools. You'll surpass the MAC, as I've argued, but I doubt CUSA even gets past the Sun Belt in performance or perception. Sun Belt has some dead weight like ULM, but adding Marshall and Southern Miss to the lineup is a huge boost. You'll need every CUSA school punching at or above their weight to get past the Sun Belt. There's a reason that Marshall, USM, and Old Dominion left CUSA for the Sun Belt.

And while the AAC overexpanded - Aresco is a moron for going to 14 - they still have several top tier G5 programs, plus UTSA is about to take off. If USF gets it together, they'd have 4-5 of the top 7 or 8 programs in the G5.

You do realize that CUSA only has 2 FCS programs moving up (Sam Houston & Jacksonville State)?

(06-16-2022 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?"

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

this is why long term La Tech needs to be in the SBC. THeres way too much hatred there to not capitalize.

IMO, LA-Tech has the most incomprehensible view of itself of all FBS schools. And that's saying something, as the competition in that domain is extremely fierce.

it was a shocking amount of hubris, and a very pertinent reminder that all but the bluest of bloods are always on shaky ground.

Either way it made a great storyline and engendered lots of hatred between the louisiana schools and if they were in the same conference we'd be looking at lots of sold out stadiums.

(06-16-2022 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:35 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:24 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  And while the AAC overexpanded - Aresco is a moron for going to 14 - they still have several top tier G5 programs, plus UTSA is about to take off. If USF gets it together, they'd have 4-5 of the top 7 or 8 programs in the G5.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Pretty decent chance Memphis, USF and SMU wet promoted at some point in the not too distant future.

If the American is then left with 7, 8 or 9 teams, who's to say it doesn't make it easier for the Sun Belt to snatch up a few of those schools during the uncertainty?

The last thing Mikey A wants is for the AAC not to be viewed as a step up from the SBC or C-USA

IMO, we badly overexpanded, and with the wrong teams. Should have taken two teams at most, and with established football programs, not "market projects".

All we can do is hope for the best - because I don't believe USF is going anywhere either.

Quo FWIW there is a known insider on the App board that has claimed the AAC did explore a 2 team expansion with App and Louisiana.

Feedback (from App side) was that SBC east was preferable, we wouldn't meet the budget ask, and both sides were unsure if App could get the votes, especially from the Privates.

I challenged him on the notion that the AAC was serious and he doubled down. Its hard to sift through the information since you know every conference probably explored lots of contingencies, but it appears a 2 team option was at least considered by the AAC.

(06-16-2022 01:51 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:35 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:24 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  And while the AAC overexpanded - Aresco is a moron for going to 14 - they still have several top tier G5 programs, plus UTSA is about to take off. If USF gets it together, they'd have 4-5 of the top 7 or 8 programs in the G5.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Pretty decent chance Memphis, USF and SMU wet promoted at some point in the not too distant future.

If the American is then left with 7, 8 or 9 teams, who's to say it doesn't make it easier for the Sun Belt to snatch up a few of those schools during the uncertainty?

The last thing Mikey A wants is for the AAC not to be viewed as a step up from the SBC or C-USA

IMO, we badly overexpanded, and with the wrong teams. Should have taken two teams at most, and with established football programs, not "market projects".

All we can do is hope for the best - because I don't believe USF is going anywhere either.

Quo FWIW there is a known insider on the App board that has claimed the AAC did explore a 2 team expansion with App and Louisiana.

Feedback (from App side) was that SBC east was preferable, we wouldn't meet the budget ask, and both sides were unsure if App could get the votes, especially from the Privates.

I challenged him on the notion that the AAC was serious and he doubled down. Its hard to sift through the information since you know every conference probably explored lots of contingencies, but it appears a 2 team option was at least considered by the AAC.

Thanks. Once the MW four decided not to join, IMO the best option for the AAC was clearly a two-school solution, with schools like Marshall, App, and ULL on the short list, schools with a football culture and established programs.

Expanding with six random market projects was the worst, IMO.

(06-16-2022 01:36 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?"

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

this is why long term La Tech needs to be in the SBC. THeres way too much hatred there to not capitalize.

IMO, LA-Tech has the most incomprehensible view of itself of all FBS schools. And that's saying something, as the competition in that domain is extremely fierce.

it was a shocking amount of hubris, and a very pertinent reminder that all but the bluest of bloods are always on shaky ground.

Either way it made a great storyline and engendered lots of hatred between the louisiana schools and if they were in the same conference we'd be looking at lots of sold out stadiums.

LA Tech is just hard to figure out, and I am in Louisiana. They seem to have an inflated image of themselves. The bowl fiasco was just the best example of that.

I mean, I know, *every* school thumps its chest and has an inflated image of itself. But they seem to be operating on another level of misperception, IMO.

Not even being stranded in the rumpest of rump conferences seems to have dented that.

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  If we ended up with just 3 schools, in particular those 3 schools (one in Miami, one in El Paso, and one in Ruston) everything would have been on the table. But that would include just adding 5 new teams instead of only 4 (you only need 8). Maybe Liberty isn't interested anymore, but more FCS teams probably would have been. Maybe the other G5 conferences do what I'd wish they had done and finish it off by inviting the last 3. Maybe the 3 just scrap it and go independent.

Which conference would LT be in had the bold taken place?

(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?"

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

I get it. And we can give as good as we get (at least Bulldog fans can). A comment or a thread dancing on CUSA's grave is one thing. We'll respond, that's how message boards work. But through all of this there have been a lot of reworded threads basically just bumping a topic that's been beat to death, seemingly just as another excuse to watch people pile on. And again, that's what message boards are and the response is to ignore it or push back. Sometimes I'm less self-controlled than others. I'm certainly not going to bother arguing in places where half the fun is dumping on CUSA. That's a fool's errand. But in a relatively neutral setting like this forum, we'll give our side.

In a couple of months we'll have real football to talk about and in the larger CFB world we'll sink to an afterthought (for now).

(06-16-2022 02:48 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?"

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

I get it. And we can give as good as we get (at least Bulldog fans can). A comment or a thread dancing on CUSA's grave is one thing. We'll respond, that's how message boards work. But through all of this there have been a lot of reworded threads basically just bumping a topic that's been beat to death, seemingly just as another excuse to watch people pile on. And again, that's what message boards are and the response is to ignore it or push back. Sometimes I'm less self-controlled than others. I'm certainly not going to bother arguing in places where half the fun is dumping on CUSA. That's a fool's errand. But in a relatively neutral setting like this forum, we'll give our side.

In a couple of months we'll have real football to talk about and in the larger CFB world we'll sink to an afterthought (for now).

Here's to the Bulldogs escaping Jeep Judy's House of Misfits sooner rather than later.

(and, LaTech switching conferences with UL-Monroe would make for a more sensible fit for both schools and conferences)

(06-16-2022 11:40 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 04:35 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I feel like Louisiana Tech would take independence over joining the Sun Belt, at least as long as ULL and ULM are in the league.

I disagree. If the Sun Belt chose to go to 16 teams Louisiana Tech would be a great team to add. I feel the same way about bringing Western Kentucky back. At some point everybody has to let bygones be bygones and do what's best for the collective whole. If the day comes we push 16 I could see that being a sign of a potential split anyway in the conference though. The only teams in serious trouble are geographic outliers.

We'd be good for them, and I don't think we'd have opted for Indy over sharing a conference with the ULX twins.

(06-16-2022 02:28 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  If we ended up with just 3 schools, in particular those 3 schools (one in Miami, one in El Paso, and one in Ruston) everything would have been on the table. But that would include just adding 5 new teams instead of only 4 (you only need 8). Maybe Liberty isn't interested anymore, but more FCS teams probably would have been. Maybe the other G5 conferences do what I'd wish they had done and finish it off by inviting the last 3. Maybe the 3 just scrap it and go independent.

Which conference would LT be in had the bold taken place?

Either the AAC or the 'Belt, whoever drew the short straw apparently.

(06-16-2022 03:33 PM)inutech Wrote:  I don't think we'd have opted for Indy over sharing a conference with the ULX twins.

Even with the smaller and less successful twin?

Figured the Tech fanbase would hold its nose once it stepped foot on Northeast Louisiana's campus

(06-16-2022 03:45 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:33 PM)inutech Wrote:  I don't think we'd have opted for Indy over sharing a conference with the ULX twins.

Even with the smaller and less successful twin?

Figured the Tech fanbase would hold its nose once it stepped foot on Northeast Louisiana's campus

Any port in a storm.

And we've done the Indy thing (twice at the FBS level). It's a bad deal.

We play ULM in everything but football most years. Beggers can't be choosers, etc.

For me personally it's almost a wash between having to get lumped in (more than we already are) with ULM and having to put up with ULL's fanbase (balanced by longer history/better on-field success/better rivalry in the cultural-clash sense/better away game situation other than distance).

(06-16-2022 02:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 01:36 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  ... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?"

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

this is why long term La Tech needs to be in the SBC. THeres way too much hatred there to not capitalize.

IMO, LA-Tech has the most incomprehensible view of itself of all FBS schools. And that's saying something, as the competition in that domain is extremely fierce.

it was a shocking amount of hubris, and a very pertinent reminder that all but the bluest of bloods are always on shaky ground.

Either way it made a great storyline and engendered lots of hatred between the louisiana schools and if they were in the same conference we'd be looking at lots of sold out stadiums.

LA Tech is just hard to figure out, and I am in Louisiana. They seem to have an inflated image of themselves. The bowl fiasco was just the best example of that.

I mean, I know, *every* school thumps its chest and has an inflated image of itself. But they seem to be operating on another level of misperception, IMO.

Not even being stranded in the rumpest of rump conferences seems to have dented that.

The bowl fiasco was as much about the I-bowl committee ego as it was about Tech's.

We'd have played there if they'd have given us another hour or so.

(06-16-2022 03:58 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 01:36 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:20 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  this is why long term La Tech needs to be in the SBC. THeres way too much hatred there to not capitalize.

IMO, LA-Tech has the most incomprehensible view of itself of all FBS schools. And that's saying something, as the competition in that domain is extremely fierce.

it was a shocking amount of hubris, and a very pertinent reminder that all but the bluest of bloods are always on shaky ground.

Either way it made a great storyline and engendered lots of hatred between the louisiana schools and if they were in the same conference we'd be looking at lots of sold out stadiums.

LA Tech is just hard to figure out, and I am in Louisiana. They seem to have an inflated image of themselves. The bowl fiasco was just the best example of that.

I mean, I know, *every* school thumps its chest and has an inflated image of itself. But they seem to be operating on another level of misperception, IMO.

Not even being stranded in the rumpest of rump conferences seems to have dented that.

The bowl fiasco was as much about the I-bowl committee ego as it was about Tech's.

We'd have played there if they'd have given us another hour or so.

IIRC, they invited you. LT said "can you give us until "X" to decide"? They said "we need a decision now", and you decided to take your chances and keep looking at other bowls, so they picked someone else. I don't recall if LT actually told the IB it was looking at other bowls or not.

At that time, I read an article (long since forgot where) that equated what LT did to something along the lines of a high school girl getting asked to a dance by a clarinet player, and saying "well, can you give me until Monday to decide?" In the hopes that the stud QB will ask her out. And then the clarinet player asks another girl, and the QB never calls her, so she ends up at home for the dance.

IMO, that's all on LT, not the IB. LT gambled, and lost.

If you're Ohio State or Florida, or even Ole Miss or Iowa State, you can expect a low-tier bowl to wait for you to decide. If you're LA-Tech, you can't. You have to know where you are in the food chain, and I don't think LT did. Or does.

(06-16-2022 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:58 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 01:36 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 12:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, LA-Tech has the most incomprehensible view of itself of all FBS schools. And that's saying something, as the competition in that domain is extremely fierce.

it was a shocking amount of hubris, and a very pertinent reminder that all but the bluest of bloods are always on shaky ground.

Either way it made a great storyline and engendered lots of hatred between the louisiana schools and if they were in the same conference we'd be looking at lots of sold out stadiums.

LA Tech is just hard to figure out, and I am in Louisiana. They seem to have an inflated image of themselves. The bowl fiasco was just the best example of that.

I mean, I know, *every* school thumps its chest and has an inflated image of itself. But they seem to be operating on another level of misperception, IMO.

Not even being stranded in the rumpest of rump conferences seems to have dented that.

The bowl fiasco was as much about the I-bowl committee ego as it was about Tech's.

We'd have played there if they'd have given us another hour or so.

IIRC, they invited you. LT said "can you give us until "X" to decide"? They said "we need a decision now", and you decided to take your chances and keep looking at other bowls, so they picked someone else. I don't recall if LT actually told the IB it was looking at other bowls or not.

At that time, I read an article (long since forgot where) that equated what LT did to something along the lines of a high school girl getting asked to a dance by a clarinet player, and saying "well, can you give me until Monday to decide?" In the hopes that the stud QB will ask her out. And then the clarinet player asks another girl, and the QB never calls her, so she ends up at home for the dance.

IMO, that's all on LT, not the IB. LT gambled, and lost.

If you're Ohio State or Florida, or even Ole Miss or Iowa State, you can expect a low-tier bowl to wait for you to decide. If you're LA-Tech, you can't. You have to know where you are in the food chain, and I don't think LT did. Or does.

Yes, but weren't they ranked that year?

(06-16-2022 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IIRC, they invited you. LT said "can you give us until "X" to decide"? They said "we need a decision now", and you decided to take your chances and keep looking at other bowls, so they picked someone else. I don't recall if LT actually told the IB it was looking at other bowls or not.

At that time, I read an article (long since forgot where) that equated what LT did to something along the lines of a high school girl getting asked to a dance by a clarinet player, and saying "well, can you give me until Monday to decide?" In the hopes that the stud QB will ask her out. And then the clarinet player asks another girl, and the QB never calls her, so she ends up at home for the dance.

IMO, that's all on LT, not the IB. LT gambled, and lost.

If you're Ohio State or Florida, or even Ole Miss or Iowa State, you can expect a low-tier bowl to wait for you to decide. If you're LA-Tech, you can't. You have to know where you are in the food chain, and I don't think LT did. Or does.

Trust me, you do not want to play Louisiana Tech in the Weedeater Bowl.

Bad things happen.

Embarrassingly bad