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OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...uirements/

That part about getting rid of the cap on recruiting class size may also be important? Wasn't sure if that needed its own thread.

In a "single table" format with the 12 MAC teams , this is where Toledo would have finished out the regular season during the Jason Candle era:

2021: 4th or 5th (Depending on tiebreaker with Miami)
2020: 4th* (COVID Season*)
2019: 9th
2018: 7th
2017: 1st
2016: 3rd or 4th (Depends on tiebreaker with Miami again)
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RE: OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
It's more interesting to me to see how different the CCGs would be under new rules:

Under old format:
2021 - NIU vs. Kent
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - UT vs. Akron
2016 - Western vs. Ohio
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. BGSU
2013 - NIU vs. BGSU
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Ohio
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

Under no-division format and using current tie-breakers (head to head, then best record if no head to head):
2021 - NIU vs. Central (changed)
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - Toledo vs. Central (changed)
2016 - Western vs. Toledo (changed)
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2013 - NIU vs. coinflip between BGSU and Ball State (potentially changed)
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

So in the last 12 years, the CCG would have been different 5 times, with a potential for a 6th...big changes for sure.
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So no more MAC West titles? Darn
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More confusing changes. Does that mean there is no longer a MAC East and WEST? If there still are divisions then - why!? More questions than answers. Div I college sports is a complete dumpster fire. A complete chaotic mess.

I am not rooting for individual players much anymore- not like the past when kids really spent 4 years at UT. Just rooting for a University logo.

Sabin calling out Fisher, Howard punching UW coach, NCAA has their thumb up their arsss, Courts running sports, players making more than coaches, coaches making more than players, players never attending class, ESPN making the schedules for TV ratings, it's a mess. How can anyone love this mess.

I was going to invest in a premium 80"+ TV for college football primarily but I'm so disillusioned that I'll save my 4500$ and start reading and playing chess.

Maybe we'd all find peace if we just went DIII.

Go Rockets!
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RE: OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
(05-19-2022 11:38 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  More confusing changes. Does that mean there is no longer a MAC East and WEST? If there still are divisions then - why!? More questions than answers. Div I college sports is a complete dumpster fire. A complete chaotic mess.

I am not rooting for individual players much anymore- not like the past when kids really spent 4 years at UT. Just rooting for a University logo.

Sabin calling out Fisher, Howard punching UW coach, NCAA has their thumb up their arsss, Courts running sports, players making more than coaches, coaches making more than players, players never attending class, ESPN making the schedules for TV ratings, it's a mess. How can anyone love this mess.

I was going to invest in a premium 80"+ TV for college football primarily but I'm so disillusioned that I'll save my 4500$ and start reading and playing chess.

Maybe we'd all find peace if we just went DIII.

Go Rockets!

Anything else you want to ***** and vent about???
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(05-19-2022 11:38 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  More confusing changes. Does that mean there is no longer a MAC East and WEST? If there still are divisions then - why!? More questions than answers. Div I college sports is a complete dumpster fire. A complete chaotic mess.

I am not rooting for individual players much anymore- not like the past when kids really spent 4 years at UT. Just rooting for a University logo.

Sabin calling out Fisher, Howard punching UW coach, NCAA has their thumb up their arsss, Courts running sports, players making more than coaches, coaches making more than players, players never attending class, ESPN making the schedules for TV ratings, it's a mess. How can anyone love this mess.

I was going to invest in a premium 80"+ TV for college football primarily but I'm so disillusioned that I'll save my 4500$ and start reading and playing chess.

Maybe we'd all find peace if we just went DIII.

Go Rockets!

Can I have the money?
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RE: OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
(05-19-2022 11:38 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  More confusing changes. Does that mean there is no longer a MAC East and WEST? If there still are divisions then - why!? More questions than answers. Div I college sports is a complete dumpster fire. A complete chaotic mess.

I am not rooting for individual players much anymore- not like the past when kids really spent 4 years at UT. Just rooting for a University logo.

Sabin calling out Fisher, Howard punching UW coach, NCAA has their thumb up their arsss, Courts running sports, players making more than coaches, coaches making more than players, players never attending class, ESPN making the schedules for TV ratings, it's a mess. How can anyone love this mess.

I was going to invest in a premium 80"+ TV for college football primarily but I'm so disillusioned that I'll save my 4500$ and start reading and playing chess.

Maybe we'd all find peace if we just went DIII.

Go Rockets!

Pretty sure like 7/10 things you listed have been happening for decades already across the sport...

And who cares about divisions...it basically makes it so you never see some teams, and can clearly cause issues with not putting the two most deserving teams into the championship game.
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RE: OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
(05-19-2022 12:21 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(05-19-2022 11:38 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  More confusing changes. Does that mean there is no longer a MAC East and WEST? If there still are divisions then - why!? More questions than answers. Div I college sports is a complete dumpster fire. A complete chaotic mess.

I am not rooting for individual players much anymore- not like the past when kids really spent 4 years at UT. Just rooting for a University logo.

Sabin calling out Fisher, Howard punching UW coach, NCAA has their thumb up their arsss, Courts running sports, players making more than coaches, coaches making more than players, players never attending class, ESPN making the schedules for TV ratings, it's a mess. How can anyone love this mess.

I was going to invest in a premium 80"+ TV for college football primarily but I'm so disillusioned that I'll save my 4500$ and start reading and playing chess.

Maybe we'd all find peace if we just went DIII.

Go Rockets!

Anything else you want to ***** and vent about???

Yeah…. Maybe my post was over-the-top dramatic but I’m frustrated with rate of change. Things used to be stable, maybe at odds for players, but stable from a fans perspective. I’m not married to divisions but will their be divisions? I don’t see why there would be. Basketball dumped them a few years ago for obvious reasons. However, a playoff makes no logical sense in a one division league. Why win regular season to only lose in championship game????? Regular season titles are now also rendered meaningless in football. TV wrecked the league structure. With one division just end it at regular season. Who wants to play a team twice you already beat. If your team is two games up at end then rest your stars.

Too many changes too fast. The portal is simple to solve. Have portal transfer end just before start of traditional Feb recruiting period and balance numbers one for one.

I apologize for rant but change is not always good. Sometimes it downright terrible and we’re seeing terrible now.
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(05-19-2022 07:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  It's more interesting to me to see how different the CCGs would be under new rules:

Under old format:
2021 - NIU vs. Kent
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - UT vs. Akron
2016 - Western vs. Ohio
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. BGSU
2013 - NIU vs. BGSU
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Ohio
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

Under no-division format and using current tie-breakers (head to head, then best record if no head to head):
2021 - NIU vs. Central (changed)
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - Toledo vs. Central (changed)
2016 - Western vs. Toledo (changed)
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2013 - NIU vs. coinflip between BGSU and Ball State (potentially changed)
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

So in the last 12 years, the CCG would have been different 5 times, with a potential for a 6th...big changes for sure.

Wow, great post BearcatMan. Appreciate you doing the research on that.

I'm wholly in agreement, get rid of MAC divisions so two best teams can play. Last season MAC West was 15-4 vs. East division.
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RE: OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
(05-19-2022 05:00 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-19-2022 07:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  It's more interesting to me to see how different the CCGs would be under new rules:

Under old format:
2021 - NIU vs. Kent
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - UT vs. Akron
2016 - Western vs. Ohio
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. BGSU
2013 - NIU vs. BGSU
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Ohio
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

Under no-division format and using current tie-breakers (head to head, then best record if no head to head):
2021 - NIU vs. Central (changed)
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - Toledo vs. Central (changed)
2016 - Western vs. Toledo (changed)
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2013 - NIU vs. coinflip between BGSU and Ball State (potentially changed)
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

So in the last 12 years, the CCG would have been different 5 times, with a potential for a 6th...big changes for sure.

Wow, great post BearcatMan. Appreciate you doing the research on that.

I'm wholly in agreement, get rid of MAC divisions so two best teams can play. Last season MAC West was 15-4 vs. East division.

Yes, excellent post BearcatMan! This is exactly why the MAC needs to eliminate divisions and adopt a 5 + 3/6 format.
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RE: OT: NCAA Dumps Conference Division Requirement For Championship Game
(05-19-2022 07:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  It's more interesting to me to see how different the CCGs would be under new rules:

Under old format:
2021 - NIU vs. Kent
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - UT vs. Akron
2016 - Western vs. Ohio
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. BGSU
2013 - NIU vs. BGSU
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Ohio
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

Under no-division format and using current tie-breakers (head to head, then best record if no head to head):
2021 - NIU vs. Central (changed)
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - Toledo vs. Central (changed)
2016 - Western vs. Toledo (changed)
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2013 - NIU vs. coinflip between BGSU and Ball State (potentially changed)
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

So in the last 12 years, the CCG would have been different 5 times, with a potential for a 6th...big changes for sure.

I keep forgetting how dominant NIU has been for the last decade and change, and how close to being nearly as dominant Toledo was before blowing it in '11, '14, and '15 to NIU and WMU by a combined 16 points.

I was going to include '10 too, but NIU smacked Toledo around so bad that year that I couldn't, regardless of the great results prior to the NIU game
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If I remember correctly, NIU has never been voted the best recruiting class in recent years. It's been WMU and UT. It goes to show you how well NIU has done with the recruits you have on the team.
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(05-19-2022 08:30 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  If I remember correctly, NIU has never been voted the best recruiting class in recent years. It's been WMU and UT. It goes to show you how well NIU has done with the recruits you have on the team.

They really killed it in development under Kill, Doeren, and Carey. I mean, They created multiple AA caliber players out of 1 and 2 star guys, some of whom weren't even projected to be in the position they ended up at. Clearly the model, you need talent developers in the MAC far more than slightly better recruiters.

To Snoopy and Western, much appreciated. This whole no-division push has really had me interested in how much different the last decade+ would've been in CFB. There are very similar outcomes in other conference as well (1/2 the CCGs would be different), just really interesting "alternate history" type stuff.
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(05-19-2022 05:23 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  
(05-19-2022 05:00 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-19-2022 07:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  It's more interesting to me to see how different the CCGs would be under new rules:

Under old format:
2021 - NIU vs. Kent
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - UT vs. Akron
2016 - Western vs. Ohio
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. BGSU
2013 - NIU vs. BGSU
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Ohio
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

Under no-division format and using current tie-breakers (head to head, then best record if no head to head):
2021 - NIU vs. Central (changed)
2020 - Ball State vs. Buffalo
2019 - Central vs. Miami
2018 - NIU vs. Buffalo
2017 - Toledo vs. Central (changed)
2016 - Western vs. Toledo (changed)
2015 - NIU vs. BGSU
2014 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2013 - NIU vs. coinflip between BGSU and Ball State (potentially changed)
2012 - NIU vs. Kent
2011 - NIU vs. Toledo (changed)
2010 - NIU vs. Miami

So in the last 12 years, the CCG would have been different 5 times, with a potential for a 6th...big changes for sure.

Wow, great post BearcatMan. Appreciate you doing the research on that.

I'm wholly in agreement, get rid of MAC divisions so two best teams can play. Last season MAC West was 15-4 vs. East division.

Yes, excellent post BearcatMan! This is exactly why the MAC needs to eliminate divisions and adopt a 5 + 3/6 format.

I don't understand the love for killing divisions such that single league regular season championship is made worthless but for TV dollars. Have we all become desensitized to the lure of TV dollars??? I guess we have accepted the inevitable. The logic to a two team single division playoff is wholly missing minus a small TV show at Detroit.

The research by B-man is appreciated ( the Cinci logos are not) but I don't share your zeal for division demise. I understand the fact that the best two teams in a division format may not play for title but that's no less disturbing than winning a title and then being forced to play a ridiculous playoff with a team that you have already out-performed and overachieved

Go Rockets!
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(05-19-2022 09:28 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  I don't understand the love for killing divisions such that single league regular season championship is made worthless but for TV dollars. Have we all become desensitized to the lure of TV dollars??? I guess we have accepted the inevitable. The logic to a two team single division playoff is wholly missing minus a small TV show at Detroit.

The MAC West is and has been stronger than the East for a while. And now even Eastern Michigan, which was long a bad program seems to be better than the bottom two or three teams in the East.

If Toledo, NIU, WMU, or CMU go 11-1 or 12-0 and have to play a 7-5 MAC East team how does that help the conference try to get a top bowl or playoff spot? It doesn't, it's a detriment to the conference and to the MAC team that is having a great season and wants to play in a better game than the Idaho Potato Bowl.
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(05-19-2022 08:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-19-2022 08:30 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  If I remember correctly, NIU has never been voted the best recruiting class in recent years. It's been WMU and UT. It goes to show you how well NIU has done with the recruits you have on the team.

They really killed it in development under Kill, Doeren, and Carey. I mean, They created multiple AA caliber players out of 1 and 2 star guys, some of whom weren't even projected to be in the position they ended up at. Clearly the model, you need talent developers in the MAC far more than slightly better recruiters.

To Snoopy and Western, much appreciated. This whole no-division push has really had me interested in how much different the last decade+ would've been in CFB. There are very similar outcomes in other conference as well (1/2 the CCGs would be different), just really interesting "alternate history" type stuff.

I was curious about the player development part of this, so I looked at the 247 "Team Score" since 2011 for NIU and Toledo and compared it to number of conference wins. I left out 2020 conference results for both teams.

I know this isn't an exact measurement since things like differences class size between one school and another can impact the score even if the individual talent of each player is roughly equal, but this was the simplest and quickest method I could come up.

NIU averaged 6.3 (.7875 win %) conference wins with an average recruiting "Team Score" of 123.86. Toledo averaged 5.7 (.7125 win %) wins with an average "Team Score" of 144.78.

I think we all already knew this, but it looks like NIU is better at getting results from their talent. Also, that 1 conference win difference was often the result of a head-to-head matchup between the teams.
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East-West doesn't mean so much in a conference as geographically efficient as the MAC. It might just as well be N-S, innie-outie..

They could look at what some high school conference are considering, dynamic rebalancing of the divisions to inhibit one from becoming perpetually dominant. This presuming anyone actually cares about a conference championship game.
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(05-20-2022 05:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  East-West doesn't mean so much in a conference as geographically efficient as the MAC. It might just as well be N-S, innie-outie..

They could look at what some high school conference are considering, dynamic rebalancing of the divisions to inhibit one from becoming perpetually dominant. This presuming anyone actually cares about a conference championship game.

Current format: The MACC, and to a much lesser extent the Western conference, trophies are the only ones I care about. I think low-level bowl games are overrated.

Potential format: I care if it exists, but I also wouldn't lose any sleep if it didn't and the conference champion is the best team based solely on results from the season.

Funny part is, if you went "single table" and kept the MACC, the conference would probably look like MLS without the playoffs. A trophy for the "regular season" champs and one for the title game.
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(05-20-2022 05:58 AM)Launchpad McStats Wrote:  
(05-20-2022 05:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  East-West doesn't mean so much in a conference as geographically efficient as the MAC. It might just as well be N-S, innie-outie..

They could look at what some high school conference are considering, dynamic rebalancing of the divisions to inhibit one from becoming perpetually dominant. This presuming anyone actually cares about a conference championship game.

Current format: The MACC, and to a much lesser extent the Western conference, trophies are the only ones I care about. I think low-level bowl games are overrated.

Potential format: I care if it exists, but I also wouldn't lose any sleep if it didn't and the conference champion is the best team based solely on results from the season.

Funny part is, if you went "single table" and kept the MACC, the conference would probably look like MLS without the playoffs. A trophy for the "regular season" champs and one for the title game.

I guess ultimately the only purpose of established divisions is to try and generate rivalries and increase gate. When is the last time we played Miami?

Divisions I guess I'd agree aren't that important. It's scheduling that matters. Play the season for the top two. Determine tie-breakers that no doubt will always work against Toledo. Then have at it.

How celebrated is winning a division vs. being top two? One gives two banners and a MACC banner, the other a regular season and a MACC banner. No divisions saves on cloth. Will anyone be kvetching for the "old days" of divisions? Probably not.
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(05-20-2022 06:19 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(05-20-2022 05:58 AM)Launchpad McStats Wrote:  
(05-20-2022 05:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  East-West doesn't mean so much in a conference as geographically efficient as the MAC. It might just as well be N-S, innie-outie..

They could look at what some high school conference are considering, dynamic rebalancing of the divisions to inhibit one from becoming perpetually dominant. This presuming anyone actually cares about a conference championship game.

Current format: The MACC, and to a much lesser extent the Western conference, trophies are the only ones I care about. I think low-level bowl games are overrated.

Potential format: I care if it exists, but I also wouldn't lose any sleep if it didn't and the conference champion is the best team based solely on results from the season.

Funny part is, if you went "single table" and kept the MACC, the conference would probably look like MLS without the playoffs. A trophy for the "regular season" champs and one for the title game.

I guess ultimately the only purpose of established divisions is to try and generate rivalries and increase gate. When is the last time we played Miami?

Divisions I guess I'd agree aren't that important. It's scheduling that matters. Play the season for the top two. Determine tie-breakers that no doubt will always work against Toledo. Then have at it.

How celebrated is winning a division vs. being top two? One gives two banners and a MACC banner, the other a regular season and a MACC banner. No divisions saves on cloth. Will anyone be kvetching for the "old days" of divisions? Probably not.

2011. Over a decade since Toledo play Miami. 49-28 home win. Terrance Owens started at QB.
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