(05-17-2022 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.

Excerpt from 2007 Board of Visitors meeting:



https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-comm...2689995492

(05-17-2022 02:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Autozone
FEF
IPF
Laurie Walton

All dumps.

They are all nice places. Doesn’t change the fact that the city and county waste taxpayer money when they’re involved. Why do you think they are so aggrieved with Ford building in Haywood/ Fayette/ Tipton?

(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

^^ This ^^
It was never in the master plan & its never been seriously considered. Rudd passed this sandwich onto Hardgrave & then went on his sabbatical.

(05-17-2022 02:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

^^ This ^^
It was never in the master plan & its never been seriously considered. Rudd passed this sandwich onto Hardgrave & took a sabbatical.

And why do you think that is? Here's a hint: The University can't fund it.

If I had to guess, the majority of the of the LB renovations will be funded by tax dollars, with some private donations made.

If it was an OCS, it would be twice the cost and would likely need to be paid for by private donations, which the University can't get. Not enough big $$$ boosters around willing to do it. Not to mention the obstacles involved with acquiring land and finding parking all that.

Embrace what we're getting, not what you wish we'd get.

(05-17-2022 02:24 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.

Excerpt from 2007 Board of Visitors meeting:



https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-comm...2689995492

Wow. This was 2007.

It is noted in the article that the reason the OCS wasn't considered is that they wanted to use the Liberty Bowl as the centerpiece for a Fairgrounds redevelopment project. Here we are in 2022 and we're still waiting on an entirely different Fairgrounds redevelopment project to actually materialize.

Same old ...

(05-17-2022 02:59 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 02:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

^^ This ^^
It was never in the master plan & its never been seriously considered. Rudd passed this sandwich onto Hardgrave & took a sabbatical.

And why do you think that is? Here's a hint: The University can't fund it.

If I had to guess, the majority of the of the LB renovations will be funded by tax dollars, with some private donations made.

If it was an OCS, it would be twice the cost and would likely need to be paid for by private donations, which the University can't get. Not enough big $$$ boosters around willing to do it. Not to mention the obstacles involved with acquiring land and finding parking all that.

Embrace what we're getting, not what you wish we'd get.

If we can’t fund it, then how can we compete for P5 membership with others who can?

(05-17-2022 03:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 02:59 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 02:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

^^ This ^^
It was never in the master plan & its never been seriously considered. Rudd passed this sandwich onto Hardgrave & took a sabbatical.

And why do you think that is? Here's a hint: The University can't fund it.

If I had to guess, the majority of the of the LB renovations will be funded by tax dollars, with some private donations made.

If it was an OCS, it would be twice the cost and would likely need to be paid for by private donations, which the University can't get. Not enough big $$$ boosters around willing to do it. Not to mention the obstacles involved with acquiring land and finding parking all that.

Embrace what we're getting, not what you wish we'd get.

If we can’t fund it, then how can we compete for P5 membership with others who can?

It's a great question. Probably a big reason why the Houston's and Cincinnati's of the world have passed us by.

Our lack of $$$ issues will be exacerbated in this new NIL world, especially in football.

(05-17-2022 02:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Nothing says Power 5 Conference university like the town Mayor controlling your business.

Nippert $86 million renovation to 38,000 seats
Houston $128 million new stadium
UCF $74 million in today's dollars

Memphis $200 million renovation will turn off the P5.

Strickland expressly mentioned Nippert and Cincinnati when talking about the Liberty Bowl renovations.

(05-17-2022 03:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 02:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Nothing says Power 5 Conference university like the town Mayor controlling your business.

Nippert $86 million renovation to 38,000 seats
Houston $128 million new stadium
UCF $74 million in today's dollars

Memphis $200 million renovation will turn off the P5.

Strickland expressly mentioned Nippert and Cincinnati when talking about the Liberty Bowl renovations.

I wonder how much of that money came from their city governments and how much control their Mayors have of those facilities?

In fairness, UCF announced a $130 million expansion plan a month before the invite.

(05-17-2022 03:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 03:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 02:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Nothing says Power 5 Conference university like the town Mayor controlling your business.

Nippert $86 million renovation to 38,000 seats
Houston $128 million new stadium
UCF $74 million in today's dollars

Memphis $200 million renovation will turn off the P5.

Strickland expressly mentioned Nippert and Cincinnati when talking about the Liberty Bowl renovations.

I wonder how much of that money came from their city governments and how much control their Mayors have of those facilities?

None since it's on campus.

(05-17-2022 11:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(05-16-2022 03:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I caught part of it. He said we will be hearing shortly how financing the Liberty Bowl upgrades will work. The host said something like it would be ridiculous to announce this and I have any idea about money. Strickland said "good guess." Added that if the school did not have a good idea where the money was coming from they would not make the announcement. Strickland said the timing the upgrade completion was very important. Added that one of the factors was the amount of time it would take to acquire land, plan, finance, and construct a new on-campus stadium (total about 10 years) versus the time it would take to upgrade the Liberty Bowl (2025). S Strickland also added that what Memphis plans to do will be a lot like what the Bearcats did with their 100 year old stadium. Like I said I only heard part of the interview.....Anybody hear anything else?

As some of us thought, they already know where a good chunk of the money is coming from. They're not flying by the seat of their pants.

The land acquisition was clearly the main hurdle for an OCS - both time wise and $$ wise.

What acquisition? Tear down a track and 4 ancient dorms and you have the land for an OCS.

(05-17-2022 07:30 PM)micman Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 11:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(05-16-2022 03:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I caught part of it. He said we will be hearing shortly how financing the Liberty Bowl upgrades will work. The host said something like it would be ridiculous to announce this and I have any idea about money. Strickland said "good guess." Added that if the school did not have a good idea where the money was coming from they would not make the announcement. Strickland said the timing the upgrade completion was very important. Added that one of the factors was the amount of time it would take to acquire land, plan, finance, and construct a new on-campus stadium (total about 10 years) versus the time it would take to upgrade the Liberty Bowl (2025). S Strickland also added that what Memphis plans to do will be a lot like what the Bearcats did with their 100 year old stadium. Like I said I only heard part of the interview.....Anybody hear anything else?

As some of us thought, they already know where a good chunk of the money is coming from. They're not flying by the seat of their pants.

The land acquisition was clearly the main hurdle for an OCS - both time wise and $$ wise.

What acquisition? Tear down a track and 4 ancient dorms and you have the land for an OCS.

along with building several parking garage's on Zach Curlin ... That would help with parking issues; now Traffic Flow would still need to be dealt with ...

(05-17-2022 03:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 03:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 02:12 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Nothing says Power 5 Conference university like the town Mayor controlling your business.

Nippert $86 million renovation to 38,000 seats
Houston $128 million new stadium
UCF $74 million in today's dollars

Memphis $200 million renovation will turn off the P5.

Strickland expressly mentioned Nippert and Cincinnati when talking about the Liberty Bowl renovations.

I wonder how much of that money came from their city governments and how much control their Mayors have of those facilities?

Let’s compare Cincinnati as a whole and I mean everything to the city of Memphis and you will see why they got in over us. Here’s a hint the stadium was way way down the list

(05-18-2022 06:57 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 07:30 PM)micman Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 11:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(05-16-2022 03:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I caught part of it. He said we will be hearing shortly how financing the Liberty Bowl upgrades will work. The host said something like it would be ridiculous to announce this and I have any idea about money. Strickland said "good guess." Added that if the school did not have a good idea where the money was coming from they would not make the announcement. Strickland said the timing the upgrade completion was very important. Added that one of the factors was the amount of time it would take to acquire land, plan, finance, and construct a new on-campus stadium (total about 10 years) versus the time it would take to upgrade the Liberty Bowl (2025). S Strickland also added that what Memphis plans to do will be a lot like what the Bearcats did with their 100 year old stadium. Like I said I only heard part of the interview.....Anybody hear anything else?

As some of us thought, they already know where a good chunk of the money is coming from. They're not flying by the seat of their pants.

The land acquisition was clearly the main hurdle for an OCS - both time wise and $$ wise.

What acquisition? Tear down a track and 4 ancient dorms and you have the land for an OCS.

along with building several parking garage's on Zach Curlin ... That would help with parking issues; now Traffic Flow would still need to be dealt with ...

Then materialize the four hundred million dollars no one wants to pony up ---- and voila we have one on campus Stadium.

(05-18-2022 07:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:57 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 07:30 PM)micman Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 11:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 10:03 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  As some of us thought, they already know where a good chunk of the money is coming from. They're not flying by the seat of their pants.

The land acquisition was clearly the main hurdle for an OCS - both time wise and $$ wise.

What acquisition? Tear down a track and 4 ancient dorms and you have the land for an OCS.

along with building several parking garage's on Zach Curlin ... That would help with parking issues; now Traffic Flow would still need to be dealt with ...

Then materialize the four hundred million dollars no one wants to pony up ---- and voila we have one on campus Stadium.

Any added parking can be used by the students and staff. That's a bonus.

Added food facilities could be dual use as well especially if they designed in some access tunnels for food to travel from the kitchens to the stadium.

Not to mention they could include facilities to house the marching band equipment and some practice facilities.

An ampitheather stage on one end looking out over a mall or tiered area where the various arts could stage outdoor performances for students during the semesters and for fans on game days.

It could be SO MUCH MORE than a stadium if they had any imagination and backbone.

I was surprised to see students in small groups studying or just hanging out in the Cincinnati stadium. You are walking along the campus and suddenly you are in the stadium.

(05-18-2022 08:19 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 07:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:57 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 07:30 PM)micman Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 11:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

What acquisition? Tear down a track and 4 ancient dorms and you have the land for an OCS.

along with building several parking garage's on Zach Curlin ... That would help with parking issues; now Traffic Flow would still need to be dealt with ...

Then materialize the four hundred million dollars no one wants to pony up ---- and voila we have one on campus Stadium.

Any added parking can be used by the students and staff. That's a bonus.

Added food facilities could be dual use as well especially if they designed in some access tunnels for food to travel from the kitchens to the stadium.

Not to mention they could include facilities to house the marching band equipment and some practice facilities.

An ampitheather stage on one end looking out over a mall or tiered area where the various arts could stage outdoor performances for students during the semesters and for fans on game days.

It could be SO MUCH MORE than a stadium if they had any imagination and backbone.

And an extra $600 million lying around, based on all these upgrades you are proposing...

(05-18-2022 09:03 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 08:19 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 07:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:57 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 07:30 PM)micman Wrote:  What acquisition? Tear down a track and 4 ancient dorms and you have the land for an OCS.

along with building several parking garage's on Zach Curlin ... That would help with parking issues; now Traffic Flow would still need to be dealt with ...

Then materialize the four hundred million dollars no one wants to pony up ---- and voila we have one on campus Stadium.

Any added parking can be used by the students and staff. That's a bonus.

Added food facilities could be dual use as well especially if they designed in some access tunnels for food to travel from the kitchens to the stadium.

Not to mention they could include facilities to house the marching band equipment and some practice facilities.

An ampitheather stage on one end looking out over a mall or tiered area where the various arts could stage outdoor performances for students during the semesters and for fans on game days.

It could be SO MUCH MORE than a stadium if they had any imagination and backbone.

And an extra $600 million lying around, based on all these upgrades you are proposing...

If you were offering additional facilities you might attract new sources of funding that would never be interested or available for just a stadium.

(05-18-2022 09:06 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 09:03 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 08:19 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 07:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:57 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  along with building several parking garage's on Zach Curlin ... That would help with parking issues; now Traffic Flow would still need to be dealt with ...

Then materialize the four hundred million dollars no one wants to pony up ---- and voila we have one on campus Stadium.

Any added parking can be used by the students and staff. That's a bonus.

Added food facilities could be dual use as well especially if they designed in some access tunnels for food to travel from the kitchens to the stadium.

Not to mention they could include facilities to house the marching band equipment and some practice facilities.

An ampitheather stage on one end looking out over a mall or tiered area where the various arts could stage outdoor performances for students during the semesters and for fans on game days.

It could be SO MUCH MORE than a stadium if they had any imagination and backbone.

And an extra $600 million lying around, based on all these upgrades you are proposing...

If you were offering additional facilities you might attract new sources of funding that would never be interested or available for just a stadium.

Like Liberty Park?