(05-13-2022 01:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 12:37 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  "Miami athletic director Dan Radakovich said he believes the league is 'closer to the end than the beginning on that.'"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-divisions

AD Radakovich was talking about the ridiculous ACC scheduling format there, but I think his quote actually applies quite well to the ACC in its entirety.

He’s saying they’re close to finalizing the 3-5-5 format. That’s good news for upcoming seasons to see better games and opponents more frequently.

The funny thing is both Dabo and whoever the FSU jabroni coach is like divisions. Can’t make this stuff up!

BTW, Mack also favors divisions.

(05-15-2022 06:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 01:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 12:37 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  "Miami athletic director Dan Radakovich said he believes the league is 'closer to the end than the beginning on that.'"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-divisions

AD Radakovich was talking about the ridiculous ACC scheduling format there, but I think his quote actually applies quite well to the ACC in its entirety.

He’s saying they’re close to finalizing the 3-5-5 format. That’s good news for upcoming seasons to see better games and opponents more frequently.

The funny thing is both Dabo and whoever the FSU jabroni coach is like divisions. Can’t make this stuff up!

BTW, Mack also favors divisions.

Every coach will favor divisions because that means they compete head-to-head against teams with very similar schedules. In divisionless they could lose out to a team they did not play and who played 3 or 4 “easier” teams. Hopefully they put in the Big Ten tie breakers where record vs. common opponents then record of uncommon opponents are used, instead of some G5 “ranking in most reason CFP poll.”

At some point this week I may do a sim on divisionless to see how often non-head-to-head tie-breakers need to be employed. I imagine for divisions it is ~1%, but for divisionless I have no idea. 20%?

(05-15-2022 06:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 01:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 12:37 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  "Miami athletic director Dan Radakovich said he believes the league is 'closer to the end than the beginning on that.'"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-divisions

AD Radakovich was talking about the ridiculous ACC scheduling format there, but I think his quote actually applies quite well to the ACC in its entirety.

He’s saying they’re close to finalizing the 3-5-5 format. That’s good news for upcoming seasons to see better games and opponents more frequently.

The funny thing is both Dabo and whoever the FSU jabroni coach is like divisions. Can’t make this stuff up!

BTW, Mack also favors divisions.

That’s true and his reasoning makes sense. He also sees the benefit of playing everyone more and will support what’s best for the league.

Return to 8-10 team conferences.

(05-15-2022 07:46 AM)Crayton Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 06:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 01:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 12:37 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  "Miami athletic director Dan Radakovich said he believes the league is 'closer to the end than the beginning on that.'"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-divisions

AD Radakovich was talking about the ridiculous ACC scheduling format there, but I think his quote actually applies quite well to the ACC in its entirety.

He’s saying they’re close to finalizing the 3-5-5 format. That’s good news for upcoming seasons to see better games and opponents more frequently.

The funny thing is both Dabo and whoever the FSU jabroni coach is like divisions. Can’t make this stuff up!

BTW, Mack also favors divisions.

Every coach will favor divisions because that means they compete head-to-head against teams with very similar schedules. In divisionless they could lose out to a team they did not play and who played 3 or 4 “easier” teams. Hopefully they put in the Big Ten tie breakers where record vs. common opponents then record of uncommon opponents are used, instead of some G5 “ranking in most reason CFP poll.”

Its why many of us fans prefer divisions. I like seeing it decided as much as possible on the field by teams who earned their way there, instead of random tiebreaks necessitated by disparate schedules or beauty contests deciding who goes.

(05-15-2022 08:47 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  Return to 8-10 team conferences.

It would be a great day if we could!

(05-15-2022 10:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 08:47 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  Return to 8-10 team conferences.

It would be a great day if we could!

While I don't see 8-10 team conferences happening, I'm hoping we can see conferences with 8-10 team divisions since conferences want to grow bigger instead of smaller.

(05-15-2022 10:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 08:47 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  Return to 8-10 team conferences.

It would be a great day if we could!

Done!

UNC-Chapel Hill
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
East Carolina
Appalachian State
UNC-Charlotte
NC A&T
*UNC-Asheville
*UNC-Wilmington

*Notre Dame replacements as non-football members

Taped-delayed television for all games on the 15 PBS affiliates in North Carolina (helps attendance)

(05-15-2022 07:49 AM)Crayton Wrote:  At some point this week I may do a sim on divisionless to see how often non-head-to-head tie-breakers need to be employed. I imagine for divisions it is ~1%, but for divisionless I have no idea. 20%?

put me down for no more than 5% to 10% tiebreakers without divisions.
oh, and bump up tiebreakers WITH divisions to at least 5%, too.

If the Big Ten drops divisions but sticks to 9 conference games, there is a 9 out of 13 chance 2 teams will play each other in a season. That means in a 2-team tie, there is a 70% chance that H2H would settle a 2-team tie.

In a 3-way tie, there is roughly a 50% chance all 3 teams would have played H2H. In a 4-way tie there is roughly a 34% chance all 4 teams played H2H.

If conferences play an 8 game schedule the percentages go down a little. 67% for 2-team tie. 44% for 3-team tie. 30% for 4-team tie.

So yeah, conferences are going to need some good tiebreakers.

I think it's funny how some people around here are appalled at the concept of tiebreaker systems for when CFB teams haven't played H2H, when similar systems have long been common in pro FB and pretty much any other sport.

(05-15-2022 07:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I think it's funny how some people around here are appalled at the concept of tiebreaker systems for when CFB teams haven't played H2H, when similar systems have long been common in pro FB and pretty much any other sport.

Yeah, they’ll do what seems convenient to them and we’ll all learn to live with it. Even MLB is using tiebreakers now instead of one-game playoffs for division titles or playoff spots.

(05-15-2022 07:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I think it's funny how some people around here are appalled at the concept of tiebreaker systems for when CFB teams haven't played H2H, when similar systems have long been common in pro FB and pretty much any other sport.

Last I checked pro football still had divisions and all NFL division winners made the playoffs. And teams in the same NFL division played 14 games against common opponents.

(05-15-2022 07:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I think it's funny how some people around here are appalled at the concept of tiebreaker systems for when CFB teams haven't played H2H, when similar systems have long been common in pro FB and pretty much any other sport.

Pro football has 6 of 15 teams in the division go to playoffs. Totally different numbers.
Scheduling is more logical and the differences in the teams are smaller.

Conference championships is the one part of college football where they haven't relied on things even more absurd than some of the NFL tiebreaks.

(05-15-2022 07:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 07:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I think it's funny how some people around here are appalled at the concept of tiebreaker systems for when CFB teams haven't played H2H, when similar systems have long been common in pro FB and pretty much any other sport.

Yeah, they’ll do what seems convenient to them and we’ll all learn to live with it. Even MLB is using tiebreakers now instead of one-game playoffs for division titles or playoff spots.

I absolutely DESPISE it. We'll have even more stuff like the 2008 Big 12 South tiebreak.

And we'll have situations like the Big 10 had many years where the team that somehow missed Ohio St. AND Michigan always competed or won the title. And that was with 11 teams and 8 games. With 14 and 8 or 9 teams it will produce even more frequent unreasonable results. NFL played 16 games for years, a dozen within the conference.

(05-15-2022 08:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 07:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 07:09 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I think it's funny how some people around here are appalled at the concept of tiebreaker systems for when CFB teams haven't played H2H, when similar systems have long been common in pro FB and pretty much any other sport.

Yeah, they’ll do what seems convenient to them and we’ll all learn to live with it. Even MLB is using tiebreakers now instead of one-game playoffs for division titles or playoff spots.

I absolutely DESPISE it. We'll have even more stuff like the 2008 Big 12 South tiebreak.

And we'll have situations like the Big 10 had many years where the team that somehow missed Ohio St. AND Michigan always competed or won the title. And that was with 11 teams and 8 games. With 14 and 8 or 9 teams it will produce even more frequent unreasonable results. NFL played 16 games for years, a dozen within the conference.

If the SEC uses a no-division format and plays 8 conference games, there will be teams that have seasons where they play none of Alabama, Georgia, and Oklahoma (or whomever the 3 best teams are at the time).

But, it is what it is. We are just fans who watch the games.

(05-15-2022 11:05 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 10:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 08:47 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  Return to 8-10 team conferences.

It would be a great day if we could!

Done!

Virginia
Virginia Tech
Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

FIFY

(05-15-2022 09:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  Virginia
Virginia Tech
Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Just to be clear, are you referring to East Carolina or North Carolina?

(05-15-2022 09:50 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 09:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  Virginia
Virginia Tech
Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech

Just to be clear, are you referring to East Carolina or North Carolina?

Coastal