Wahoowa84
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RE: Rank the attractiveness of non B1G and SEC schools in the P5
(05-11-2022 12:21 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: (05-11-2022 10:15 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: My ranking based on five criteria: football, finances, fit, other sports, and school profile:
Tier 1 - Programs that will add value to any conference
UCLA, USC, Florida State, Notre Dame, Stanford, Washington and North Carolina
Tier 2 - Programs that add above average value to their current conference and would be considered in a P2
Duke, Clemson, California, Oregon, Arizona State, Virginia Tech and Virginia
Tier 3 - Solid middle-class, but need an unlikely scenario to be considered
NC State, Miami, Arizona, Kansas, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, Utah, TCU, Kansas State, Baylor, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Colorado and Iowa State (P2s in this group…Northwestern, Ole Miss, Maryland, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt and Missouri)
Tier 4 - Borderline power programs
Oregon State, Texas Tech, Washington State, BYU, Boston College, West Virginia, Houston, Cincinnati and Central Florida (P2 in this category is Rutgers)
I am not sure the criteria you used supports all of your slotting.
I looked at Boston College and compared it to SU and GT (SU being a private, Northeast school and GT, while being a public university, does have some of the characteristics of a private university.) Here are the comparisons, based on your criteria:
FOOTBALL:
W-L records since 2013 (I used that timeframe to get an apples-to-apples comparison as that was SU's first year in the ACC.)
BC: 56-56
GT: 51-59
SU: 43-66
FINANCES:
Most recent revenues by school based on the Equity in Athletics date pinned to this Board:
BC: $87,003,060
SU: $86,415,599
GT: $86,415,599
SCHOOL PROFILE:
USN&WR Rankings (2021-22):
BC: #36
GT #38
SU: #59
Number of Intercollegiate Sports Offered (Based on what is listed in each school's website):
BC: 25
SU: 16
GT: 14
FIT
I am not sure there is any distinction here. All three are great schools with similar academic profiles and a long history in D1 athletics. All are roughly the same size. The only real distinction is BC is a Catholic school, which I think we both would agree is irrelevant.
Based on the criteria you set, I would submit to you there is no basis to slot BC differently than either SU or GT in your model. Certainly one could hold that opinion, but it would not be based on the criteria you indicated.
I did the analysis differently.
To judge football relevance, I used home attendance and AP rankings as the indicators. GT has much better (40% higher) attendance and a stronger history (although the last 5 years have been bad) in football. Syracuse and BC are close in terms of football. W-L records are nice, but I was searching for outcomes metrics that provide distinguishing characteristics.
To evaluate finances, I used athletic department budgets and WSJ valuations. Over the past 5 years of EADA reporting, Syracuse has had 15% higher spend…GT and BC are comparable in spending. Syracuse and GT also do better in valuations in the two revenue generating sports. In 2019-20, Syracuse cut spending dramatically…but that was likely a COVID related aberration.
To evaluate strength in other sports, it was largely basketball and somewhat Directors Cup results. Syracuse is far superior in both areas. GT and BC are relatively close, but GT has a slight edge.
To measure the university profile, it was USNWR and ARWU rankings plus undergraduate enrollment. Overall, GT was significantly higher; BC and Syracuse are comparable. Syracuse’s larger enrollment compensates for BC’s strong educational ranking, but neither match the overall profile of GT.
To measure conference fit, it was the average distance to other schools and whether conference members are your frequent rivals. Once again, GT was significantly higher; BC and Syracuse are comparable.
Overall, Georgia Tech has a better football brand, as well as institutional fit and profile; Syracuse has more financial resources and better basketball. In the past 5 years BC has been more successful in football, but I was looking at more variables over a longer horizon.
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2022 11:32 AM by Wahoowa84.)
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