If this 150 year old college in central Illinois that had 1200 students in 2021 can’t make it, I wonder how worse off schools in Illinois can?

If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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They'll be fine as long as the schools in question have football /s.
At least that's the common theme here.

The other day, I was driving in Rockford, IL and passed an "Upper Iowa University" building. Instantly, I knew DavidSt was expanding his empire.

(05-10-2022 09:42 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If this 150 year old college in central Illinois that had 1200 students in 2021 can’t make it, I wonder how worse off schools in Illinois can?

Well, they’re private, so they don’t have the state to lean on to keep them needlessly afloat.

It’s put out there that they were victimized by ransomware, but at less than $100K to put that down, it was probably far less than all the tech upgrades they said they had to make. A bit misleading, especially if they were lagging so far behind on certain operational/enterprise system functionality.

Well there goes another of Jeep Judy's expansion candidates

(05-10-2022 10:31 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Well there goes another of Jeep Judy's expansion candidates

Summit and Horizon scrambling for 2030 expansion candidates with this news.

(05-10-2022 09:43 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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Illinois is a huge exporter of students.

If anything, the state doesn't have enough colleges.

(05-10-2022 10:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 09:43 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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Illinois is a huge exporter of students.

If anything, the state doesn't have enough colleges.

That's because of in-state tuition costs, not lack of options. Also, most people from Illinois want to get the hell out of Illinois, especially around Chicago.

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(05-10-2022 10:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 09:43 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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Illinois is a huge exporter of students.

If anything, the state doesn't have enough colleges.

Right - or at least doesn't have enough enrollment spots in colleges of a certain level of quality that meets the demand of its population.

(05-10-2022 11:04 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 10:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 09:43 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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Illinois is a huge exporter of students.

If anything, the state doesn't have enough colleges.

That's because of in-state tuition costs, not lack of options. Also, most people from Illinois want to get the hell out of Illinois, especially around Chicago.

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That’s not exactly true. University of Iowa is more expensive out of state than NIU or ISU.

It’s as much a quality supply issue as cost. Residential education is trending towards luxury goods. Illinois has a shortage of spots for what the number of quality students are looking for.

My personal opinion is college athletics plays into that.

Illinois has a lot of colleges that have generally always been fast food quality, now charging casual dining prices, and most students are looking for better

(05-10-2022 11:35 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  It’s as much a quality supply issue as cost. Residential education is trending towards luxury goods. Illinois has a shortage of spots for what the number of quality students are looking for.

My personal opinion is college athletics plays into that.

Illinois has a lot of colleges that have generally always been fast food quality, now charging casual dining prices, and most students are looking for better

In that context, would Illinois State making the jump to I-A and the MAC be a good thing for the "Prairie State" moving forward?

Would the MAC embrace such a thing (say with WKU in tow as Nos. 13 and 14)?

(05-10-2022 11:35 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:04 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 10:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 09:43 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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Illinois is a huge exporter of students.

If anything, the state doesn't have enough colleges.

That's because of in-state tuition costs, not lack of options. Also, most people from Illinois want to get the hell out of Illinois, especially around Chicago.

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That’s not exactly true. University of Iowa is more expensive out of state than NIU or ISU.

It’s as much a quality supply issue as cost. Residential education is trending towards luxury goods. Illinois has a shortage of spots for what the number of quality students are looking for.

My personal opinion is college athletics plays into that.

Illinois has a lot of colleges that have generally always been fast food quality, now charging casual dining prices, and most students are looking for better

When I visited my brother at University of Iowa ten years ago I was amazed at how many kids were from Illinois. I think you’re right, if they can’t go to Illinois they go out of state rather than stay in state for a “less prestigious”. Yeah, I think sports has something to do with it.

(05-10-2022 11:45 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:35 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  It’s as much a quality supply issue as cost. Residential education is trending towards luxury goods. Illinois has a shortage of spots for what the number of quality students are looking for.

My personal opinion is college athletics plays into that.

Illinois has a lot of colleges that have generally always been fast food quality, now charging casual dining prices, and most students are looking for better

In that context, would Illinois State making the jump to I-A and the MAC be a good thing for the "Prairie State" moving forward?

Would the MAC embrace such a thing (say with WKU in tow as Nos. 13 and 14)?

It would make zero difference. Illinois State (FCS) is a more popular school for IL students than NIU (FBS).

IL high school students don't care about G5 or FCS football. They care that there's not a Purdue to Indiana's Illinois.

(05-10-2022 09:59 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The other day, I was driving in Rockford, IL and passed an "Upper Iowa University" building. Instantly, I knew DavidSt was expanding his empire.

(05-10-2022 11:49 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:45 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:35 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  It’s as much a quality supply issue as cost. Residential education is trending towards luxury goods. Illinois has a shortage of spots for what the number of quality students are looking for.

My personal opinion is college athletics plays into that.

Illinois has a lot of colleges that have generally always been fast food quality, now charging casual dining prices, and most students are looking for better

In that context, would Illinois State making the jump to I-A and the MAC be a good thing for the "Prairie State" moving forward?

Would the MAC embrace such a thing (say with WKU in tow as Nos. 13 and 14)?

It would make zero difference. Illinois State (FCS) is a more popular school for IL students than NIU (FBS).

IL high school students don't care about G5 or FCS football. They care that there's not a Purdue to Indiana's Illinois.

I think that’s every state. If you live in X state you want to go to the “University of X” or “X State University”….I hate to say it but having a direction in your name is a killler unless your USC.

(05-10-2022 11:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 10:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 09:43 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  If we're being honest, Illinois is a little over saturated with colleges that can easily be consolidated.

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Illinois is a huge exporter of students.

If anything, the state doesn't have enough colleges.

Right - or at least doesn't have enough enrollment spots in colleges of a certain level of quality that meets the demand of its population.

That is the issue everywhere. There isn't excess demand for just any college. The demand is for a perceived level of quality that will make the degree valuable to graduates, at a relatively affordable cost, or if the college is "elite" in one way or another, at least the cost is "worth it". Small private colleges that don't have a strong reputation don't fill that demand.

(05-10-2022 11:53 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I think that’s every state. If you live in X state you want to go to the “University of X” or “X State University”….

Not in New Jersey.

(05-10-2022 12:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:53 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I think that’s every state. If you live in X state you want to go to the “University of X” or “X State University”….

Not in New Jersey.

Don’t tell that to the leadership of the school currently called TCNJ. If they could get NJU or NJSU, they would, and fully buy into its desirability and attractiveness to top students.

But, yeah, Rutgers and Princeton will still snicker.

(05-10-2022 11:53 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:49 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:45 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 11:35 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  It’s as much a quality supply issue as cost. Residential education is trending towards luxury goods. Illinois has a shortage of spots for what the number of quality students are looking for.

My personal opinion is college athletics plays into that.

Illinois has a lot of colleges that have generally always been fast food quality, now charging casual dining prices, and most students are looking for better

In that context, would Illinois State making the jump to I-A and the MAC be a good thing for the "Prairie State" moving forward?

Would the MAC embrace such a thing (say with WKU in tow as Nos. 13 and 14)?

It would make zero difference. Illinois State (FCS) is a more popular school for IL students than NIU (FBS).

IL high school students don't care about G5 or FCS football. They care that there's not a Purdue to Indiana's Illinois.

I think that’s every state. If you live in X state you want to go to the “University of X” or “X State University”….I hate to say it but having a direction in your name is a killler unless your USC.

USC doesn't really count, private and all that

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