(04-27-2022 09:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:03 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:07 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:50 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 07:55 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Damn you guys are hard on young men trying to fulfill their dreams.

According to one of our genius posters who is on tilt, Sam had all of these offers, but is somehow a bum. 8 of the 9 teams made the tournament this year and TAM probably should have. Incredible.

Memphis
Kansas
Illinois
LSU
Texas A&M
Virginia Tech
Providence
Seton Hall
TCU

And then he went to Memphis. Was evaluated by the staff as having "a long ways to go" and "it’s just a longer learning curve for him."

He was subsequently redshirted after his appearance in the 2nd exhibition game included coming in at the same time as Glennon and Tadarius with under 5 minutes to go.

He obviously saw his path to playing any real time wasn't here.

So he transferred and the above schools all breathed a sigh of relief and...yada yada...he's going to play at FGCU.



And let's get something straight...bigs get all the offers. Even future bums. That's the beauty of taking a flyer on a big...he might work out.

Nick Marshall was offered by UF, Memphis, Bama, UTk, Georgia, IU, KSU.

Stan Simpson played at Illinois and was offered by other big named schools.

Crazy that you really want to die on the Sam Onu hill of awesomeness considering dude isn't even here.

Wrong again. You have no grasp of reality.

Quote:Nick Marshall was offered by UF, Memphis, Bama, UTk, Georgia, IU, KSU.

YOU

Quote:Barring injury to a big (or he somehow defies all scouting and ratings predictions) he won't likely play more than about 6 mpg in limited games.

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

ME

Quote:8-12 minutes per game.

Quote:We are going to have games where players get pushed around, or have foul trouble. If he can play at all, he will get at least 8 minutes.

Quote:He is going to play somewhere next year; he isn't going to redshirt, so he won't be losing anything. At worst he will get to practice against 2 and maybe 3 very good bigs. At best, maybe he figures out how to defend and rebound and can give us 8-12 minutes per game against bigger teams or when Shaq is in foul trouble.

Marshall played 8.3 minutes per game, and played 10 minutes or more in 14 games. Not quite 6 minutes per game in a few games here and there. Not quite mop up minutes.

Sorry, if I keep piling on...

I mean, your not really piling on, you conveniently leave a lot of stuff out of that thread...most notably that thread was from 5/2015 when AUSTIN NICHOLS was still expected to play in the fall.

So, basically I noted that Nick wouldn't get minutes at the detriment to Shaq, Austin, Dedric, and KJ--which isn't really crazy.

I thought with those four on the roster and playing, that would leave scraps to Nick at the tune of about 6 minutes a game.

Well, then Austin doesn't show up for the fall--Memphis loses a 25-30 mpg guy down low. THEN, KJ is redshirted after 10 games (after averaging 20 mpg in those 1st 10 games) basically only leaving Shaq and Austin as 4/5 with Burrell in the mix, too.

So, even after Memphis lost the expected 25 mpg from Austin and actual 20 mpg from KJ, Nick only played 120 seconds a game more than I anticipated he would play WITH both Austin and KJ.

Hell, looking at it now, I would bet that Josh would have redshirted Nick (as I posited) since even without 35-40 minutes of expected playing time from Austin and KJ only resulted in Nick getting 8 mpg.

Thanks for playing! Lols.

Absolutely 100% true and I was hoping that you would mention that. You are arguing that Marshall wouldn't have played as much because of Shaq and Nichols. At the same time, you are saying that Sam was a bum and wouldn't have played even though we signed him with only Dandridge on our roster.

Sam playing behind Shaq, Austin and KJ would get no time. Sam playing behind Duren, Dandridge and with Williams available is redshirted for obvious reasons.

Sam with only Dandridge on the roster would have played 8-12 minutes per game. Dandridge has bad knees, commits a foul every 5.8 minutes AND has minutes limited by injuries. Deandre commits a foul every 8.7 minutes and was injured. This is with Duren protecting both of them.

This on the heels of saying that a recruit is defined by the teams offering (you have said that often over the years), and Sam had offers from Memphis, Kansas, Illinois, TCU, Seton Hall, LSU, Providence, TAM, Virginia Tech...and he is a bum.

So (as usual) you are in a heated argument with yourself. Thanks for playing! lols

(04-27-2022 10:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Absolutely 100% true and I was hoping that you would mention that. You are arguing that Marshall wouldn't have played as much because of Shaq and Nichols. At the same time, you are saying that Sam was a bum and wouldn't have played even though we signed him with only Dandridge on our roster.

If you're good enough to play you will play, regardless of who IS on the roster. If you aren't good enough to play, you won't play, regardless of who ISN'T on the roster.

You're spiking the football because Nick played 120 more seconds a game than I predicted despite the fact 35 minutes of playing time opened up for him.

He played 13 games of 10> minutes, 8 wins by an average of 23 points (extra mop up minutes) and in all four in-conference losses by nine or more points. One other loss to SMU when he played 15 mins because Shaq fouled out at 22 minutes. Jake played 6 that game.

Hell, he averaged 3 minutes a game more than Jake McDowell--more importantly, he couldn't take Jake's 5 minutes a game even though he only played 8.

I love how you want so badly to argue with me that you go out of your way to prove Nick Marshall was a valuable asset and that Sam is some coveted big who is gonna make Penny pay for mothballing him.

Bottom line---HS bigs are overvalued in the recruiting rankings and it's really never safe to assume a top 100ish 4* is actually able to contribute from the get go on a top 50 or better program.

(04-27-2022 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 10:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Absolutely 100% true and I was hoping that you would mention that. You are arguing that Marshall wouldn't have played as much because of Shaq and Nichols. At the same time, you are saying that Sam was a bum and wouldn't have played even though we signed him with only Dandridge on our roster.

If you're good enough to play you will play, regardless of who IS on the roster. If you aren't good enough to play, you won't play, regardless of who ISN'T on the roster.

You're spiking the football because Nick played 120 more seconds a game than I predicted despite the fact 35 minutes of playing time opened up for him.

He played 13 games of 10> minutes, 8 wins by an average of 23 points (extra mop up minutes) and in all four in-conference losses by nine or more points. One other loss to SMU when he played 15 mins because Shaq fouled out at 22 minutes. Jake played 6 that game.

Hell, he averaged 3 minutes a game more than Jake McDowell--more importantly, he couldn't take Jake's 5 minutes a game even though he only played 8.

I love how you want so badly to argue with me that you go out of your way to prove Nick Marshall was a valuable asset and that Sam is some coveted big who is gonna make Penny pay for mothballing him.

Bottom line---HS bigs are overvalued in the recruiting rankings and it's really never safe to assume a top 100ish 4* is actually able to contribute from the get go on a top 50 or better program.

Quote:If you're good enough to play you will play, regardless of who IS on the roster. If you aren't good enough to play, you won't play, regardless of who ISN'T on the roster.

This summarizes your entire ridiculous argument. Sam didn't play because we signed Duren. IF we don't sign Duren we have only Dandridge with Williams filling in for a couple of minutes here and there...with both in constant foul trouble. I have made this point about you the whole time. You don't care about roster composition. You make a dumb statement about Mike Parks and Raynere Thornton scoring more than Robert Dozier or Shaq because they are jucos.

Your argument is dumb.

Quote:Bottom line---HS bigs are overvalued in the recruiting rankings and it's really never safe to assume a top 100ish 4* is actually able to contribute from the get go on a top 50 or better program.

Bottom line is that you are arguing with Memphis, Kansas, Illinois, LSU, Providence, Seton Hall, TAM...and AGAIN not factoring in roster composition.

This seems pretty simple. If Sam could have contributed or impacted the season in any sort of meaningful way he would not have redshirted. Would have played if Duren did not show up on campus? Probably. Would he have been a anything more than a big body just filling minutes? No.

(04-27-2022 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This seems pretty simple. If Sam could have contributed or impacted the season in any sort of meaningful way he would not have redshirted. Would have played if Duren did not show up on campus? Probably. Would he have been a anything more than a big body just filling minutes? No.

I agree. 8-12 minutes per game, a couple of points, maybe 2-4 rebounds.

Quick update:

Sam Onu at FGCU (KenPom #216)

Played two of team's three games.

Got 1 minute vs. USC, DNP coach's decision vs. SDSU, and 9 mop up minutes in a blowout loss vs. UTk.

Averaging 0 ppg.

But I'm sure he would be useful here.

He was a project from the jump. Don’t know why Penny even offered him.

(11-17-2022 12:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Quick update:

Sam Onu at FGCU (KenPom #216)

Played two of team's three games.

Got 1 minute vs. USC, DNP coach's decision vs. SDSU, and 9 mop up minutes in a blowout loss vs. UTk.

Averaging 0 ppg.

But I'm sure he would be useful here.

He would have done exactly what I said above if we don't sign Duren, and Dandridge and Williams miss 9 games between them.

(11-17-2022 12:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 12:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Quick update:

Sam Onu at FGCU (KenPom #216)

Played two of team's three games.

Got 1 minute vs. USC, DNP coach's decision vs. SDSU, and 9 mop up minutes in a blowout loss vs. UTk.

Averaging 0 ppg.

But I'm sure he would be useful here.

He would have done exactly what I said above if we don't sign Duren, and Dandridge and Williams miss 9 games between them.

Yeah, that tracks. A dude who is going for 0 ppg and 1.5 rebounds in 5 mpg (not including a DNP in a close game) for a 200+ ranked ASun team would have gotten 15-20 minutes at Memphis last year if Duren hadn't played.

Dude...

(11-17-2022 01:06 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 12:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 12:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Quick update:

Sam Onu at FGCU (KenPom #216)

Played two of team's three games.

Got 1 minute vs. USC, DNP coach's decision vs. SDSU, and 9 mop up minutes in a blowout loss vs. UTk.

Averaging 0 ppg.

But I'm sure he would be useful here.

He would have done exactly what I said above if we don't sign Duren, and Dandridge and Williams miss 9 games between them.

Yeah, that tracks. A dude who is going for 0 ppg and 1.5 rebounds in 5 mpg (not including a DNP in a close game) for a 200+ ranked ASun team would have gotten 15-20 minutes at Memphis last year if Duren hadn't played.

Dude...

It is 4 posts up dummy. 8-12 minutes and 2 points per game; but feel free to keep up with the stupidities and the lies to push your dumb narrative. Tell the story about how Thiero had horrible stats his freshman season without mentioning that he had surgery on November 4th. Tell us again how Raynere Thornton and Mike Parks ranked #250-300 in their class were better than Robert Dozier ranked #70 in his class, because they were jucos and Dozier was a freshman.

Or how about how Davion Warren was a pile of crap who would get 5 minutes per game here, and then he ends up getting 24 minutes per game, and being the 5th leading scorer on Texas Tech's Sweet 16 team.

I could go on and on, but if you feel a little less humiliated trying to prove that Sam wouldn't have averaged 2 points per game at Memphis, knock yourself out.

That algorithm must be making you millions.

0 points 1.5 rebs a game for a 200+ team. And a DNP CD.

(11-17-2022 12:50 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  He was a project from the jump. Don’t know why Penny even offered him.

Wasn't he a package deal to get that other dude that never played?

(11-17-2022 01:33 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 12:50 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  He was a project from the jump. Don’t know why Penny even offered him.

Wasn't he a package deal to get that other dude that never played?

That’s the way I remember it. The 3 point sharpshooter’s roommate or brother or something.

John Camden

also, Bill Self offered Sam as well

(11-17-2022 02:08 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 01:33 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 12:50 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  He was a project from the jump. Don’t know why Penny even offered him.

Wasn't he a package deal to get that other dude that never played?

That’s the way I remember it. The 3 point sharpshooter’s roommate or brother or something.

That's what I remember: John Camden

Edit: Camden transferred to VT. Also had interest from LSU.

(11-17-2022 01:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  0 points 1.5 rebs a game for a 200+ team. And a DNP CD.

He is 4 games in. I said he would average 2 points per game and you fought me tooth and nail. You are on full TILT. Your mental well being is important. It doesn't make up for the hilariously ridiculous stuff you wrote about Thiero, Warren, Dozier, Parks, Thornton, literally everything else you post, but if it makes you feel less humiliated than normal, you have my full support.

YOU

Quote:that dude from Hampton (Warren) had signed an LOI with Memphis before realizing he was only going to get scrub minutes.

ME

Quote:Everyone in Warren's peer group have played at least 20 minutes per game and have been in the top 6 in scoring for their new teams.

Quote:If anything, it is misguided to think that he will average 6 points and 3 rebounds.

THE FACTS
23.6 minutes per game, and 5th on the team in scoring for a Sweet 16 team.

(11-17-2022 01:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  0 points 1.5 rebs a game for a 200+ team. And a DNP CD.

Assuming we don't sign Duren, what were your expectations from Sam as a freshman?

(11-17-2022 03:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 01:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  0 points 1.5 rebs a game for a 200+ team. And a DNP CD.

Assuming we don't sign Duren, what were your expectations from Sam as a freshman?

To sit on the bench and not play.

I would have run out ALo, Les, Landers, Deandre, and Malco. Bates and Tyler backup PG/SG and more run for Earl, Chandler and Minott.

Basically the same way Memphis will be running the 4/5 this season with Deandre/Malco/Chandler.

Hell, Kao averaged 22 mpg for two seasons at UT-Arlington and even though Memphis only has one "true" center on the roster, Kao can barely crack the rotation and is only getting 7 minutes a game.

(11-17-2022 02:27 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 02:08 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 01:33 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 12:50 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  He was a project from the jump. Don’t know why Penny even offered him.

Wasn't he a package deal to get that other dude that never played?

That’s the way I remember it. The 3 point sharpshooter’s roommate or brother or something.

That's what I remember: John Camden

Edit: Camden transferred to VT. Also had interest from LSU.

He's an end of the rotation guy for VPI right now at about 12 mpg. Might get some run as the season improves providing he picks up his 3pt shooting (29%).

Poor Tyler at USF is having a rough go so far. 6% in three games on 1-16 shooting.

(11-17-2022 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 03:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2022 01:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  0 points 1.5 rebs a game for a 200+ team. And a DNP CD.

Assuming we don't sign Duren, what were your expectations from Sam as a freshman?

To sit on the bench and not play.

I would have run out ALo, Les, Landers, Deandre, and Malco. Bates and Tyler backup PG/SG and more run for Earl, Chandler and Minott.

Basically the same way Memphis will be running the 4/5 this season with Deandre/Malco/Chandler.

Hell, Kao averaged 22 mpg for two seasons at UT-Arlington and even though Memphis only has one "true" center on the roster, Kao can barely crack the rotation and is only getting 7 minutes a game.

I ignored all of your usual nonsense after the first sentence. I knew this was going to be fun, but not this fun.

SALUKI 2 MINUTES AGO...

Quote:To sit on the bench and not play.

SALUKI WHEN WE SIGNED SAM (SEE POST #20)

Quote:Sam is right in that spot at 100. 3 and 3 would be on target.

Saluki Predicts Sam Will Average 3 & 3 Without Playing!

I predicted Sam would average 2 points and 2-4 rebounds per game in 8-12 minutes before we signed Duren and you are carrying the dumb argument over into this year. YOU predicted 3 points and 3 rebounds and now are arguing with my prediction that was less optimistic than yours.

I told you so many times to quit instead of clowning yourself. You should have accepted the beatdown from last year instead of insisting on another one now. Wtf is wrong with you? Seriously.