I'm going to revise what I have said before about the original question.

I think Texas State belongs in the Sun Belt. I think their problems have been coaching. They are fully capable of recruiting well in the Belt. Their facilities in the conference are competitive. Their fanbase will show out if they just can get on a winning track.

They're an outlier. But that's okay. Navy and Temple are outliers in a southern/south central league. UTEP is an outlier. And TXST isn't THAT big of an outlier.

I have been guilty in the past of trying to wish them over to other conferences. I'm done with that. They belong in the Sun Belt. I think they'd be miserable in C-USA. I think they're just not going to be on the AAC or MW's radar. So my hope is they start to thrive in the Sun Belt. Just as long as App State beats them.

(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

UALR, UTA, NMST , Idaho fact

(04-25-2022 11:07 PM)RT98 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

UALR, UTA, NMST , Idaho fact

I don't know about Little Rock and UTA, but NMSU and Idaho signed a 4-year contract to be football-only in the Sun Belt. They weren't run off. They knew the contract was temporary (4 years).

(04-25-2022 11:31 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 11:07 PM)RT98 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

UALR, UTA, NMST , Idaho fact

I don't know about Little Rock and UTA, but NMSU and Idaho signed a 4-year contract to be football-only in the Sun Belt. They weren't run off. They knew the contract was temporary (4 years).

We were run off . We did not want to leave, I completely understand and agree with the sunbelt's reasoning though. I believe when we joined we should have known this day was coming if we did not add football.

(04-26-2022 02:38 AM)RT98 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 11:31 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 11:07 PM)RT98 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

UALR, UTA, NMST , Idaho fact

I don't know about Little Rock and UTA, but NMSU and Idaho signed a 4-year contract to be football-only in the Sun Belt. They weren't run off. They knew the contract was temporary (4 years).

We were run off . We did not want to leave, I completely understand and agree with the sunbelt's reasoning though. I believe when we joined we should have known this day was coming if we did not add football.

Why doesn't UTA add football? It's the only school in Texas above 35,000 enrollment which doesn't have it. They would've made a great rivalry with Texas State. They were in a football-focused FBS conference. They have a marching band and an on-campus stadium.

It never made sense to me, especially with UT-Rio Grande Valley adding football.

(04-25-2022 02:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 01:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

Historically USM is way better if not currently. Plus doesn't the SBC have 2 Louisiana schools in their conference already and didn't have one in Mississippi? USM seems like a no-brainer for the SBC over LA Tech.

They are a no brainer. Especially considering La Tech has antagonized the Sun Belt and ULM in the past. As a Texas State fan I have no qualms with La Tech though. I think they'd be a great add, but if I had to choose I'd go with USM.

You know, when I see a Texas State fan make a statement like this...

I will assume you weren't around in 2012 or maybe just don't remember how TXST even became an FBS school? If I were a Texas State fan I'd be so vocally supportive of Louisiana Tech in any capacity, I'd make you sick. Why? Because LaTech extended a hand to my school when we needed it, and I don't forget that stuff.

I sincerely hope the leadership of your university has a longer memory than apparently a few of its fans.

(01-25-2022 12:49 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 05:07 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  With the departure of UTA, all of a sudden Texas State is the lone Texas school in the Sunbelt.

It's widely known that the MWC was in talks with the 3 new AAC schools before they made their choices. Since the Colorado schools made known their preference for a member in Texas, Texas State and UTEP are the last options for the MWC.

If approached in the future (most likely before the MWC Fox and CBS deals end), would Texas State have enough to gain by going West, to join the Mountain West and leave their Eastern Sunbelt home?

I've always believed in the superiority of Eastern orientation. However, Texas State hasn't exactly been tearing up the Sunbelt. The addition of 3 new members in the East (ODU, Marshall, and JMU) also makes Texas State more alienated culturally.

IMO, the MWC has almost run out of options for future growth. Texas State also has good facilities that would fit in well out West. Could a potential TSU-MWC marriage be transformative and unlock the brand potential that the Bobcats leadership anticipated when they renamed their campus "Texas State University"?

Or are they better positioned to realize their potential in the new Sunbelt?

Chart obviously done by an App St. fan. They are near the bottom of the Sun Belt in P5 potential. Arkansas St. is near the bottom as well but they have them as #3.

bullet,

It was done by athleticdirectoru. They did one on many D1 conferences.

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...-sun-belt/

I wonder if you have an axe to grind with App State and the Sun Belt. Disparaging comments about the school and the league go back years.

That chart is way wrong. Was it before USA built Hancock Whitney Stadium? No way USA is 7th in facilities. USA is 9th in non-revenue success? How many all sports trophies have we won in the last 8 years, 6?

(04-26-2022 07:01 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 02:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 01:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

Historically USM is way better if not currently. Plus doesn't the SBC have 2 Louisiana schools in their conference already and didn't have one in Mississippi? USM seems like a no-brainer for the SBC over LA Tech.

They are a no brainer. Especially considering La Tech has antagonized the Sun Belt and ULM in the past. As a Texas State fan I have no qualms with La Tech though. I think they'd be a great add, but if I had to choose I'd go with USM.

You know, when I see a Texas State fan make a statement like this...

I will assume you weren't around in 2012 or maybe just don't remember how TXST even became an FBS school? If I were a Texas State fan I'd be so vocally supportive of Louisiana Tech in any capacity, I'd make you sick. Why? Because LaTech extended a hand to my school when we needed it, and I don't forget that stuff.

I sincerely hope the leadership of your university has a longer memory than apparently a few of its fans.

I remember vividly. Our game with yall that year was a classic, but our game vs USM in 2015 drew almost 28k so that's why I'm more excited about USM. Might not be a fair comparison but that's my take.

Also, let's be real, it's not like y'all altruistically chose to shine your light upon TXST and elevate us. The WAC was desperate for members and we wanted in.

(04-25-2022 08:57 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:29 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

So Louisiana, ULM, and stAte aren't west of the Mississippi?

Were yall run off? Nope.

ULL, ULM, & Arkansas St are all located about 50 miles from the Mississippi river. That's why I stated "along the Mississippi river and east".

UNT was not run off. We chose to leave, and it's a good thing we did. Had we stayed, we probably would not have been invited to the AAC.

Where did you say "along the Mississippi river and east"? Also you still haven't named a full member who has been kicked out. All full members that have left have willingly left for greener pastures. Maybe you're right and we'll be kicked out. You can say you told me so when that happens.

As a fan of Boise St, the MWC by proxy, and Western alignment but also as a lifelong Texan (born on the Coast, raised in Houston, undergrad in East Texas, grad school in Houston, lived in Austin, and currently live in DFW), I have always viewed Texas St as a peer institution with Lamar, Sam Houston St, and Stephen F. Austin St. I was absolutely sure Texas St would fail as a FBS school. After these last several years, I am convinced Texas St has an incredibly high ceiling but have been nothing short of disappointing. That being said, I think they belong in the Sun Belt which I believe is going to be a much stronger conference in the coming years. I wish the Sun Belt had another Texas football school (I'd say North Texas) which would make Texas St seem less like it is on an island.

(04-23-2022 06:33 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  I can see the mutual interest developing between Texas State and the MWC.

With Texas State surging in basketball, it will be difficult to imagine the Bobcats not going to the MWC (a league that cares about the sport of roundball, unlike the Belt).

Texas State is "surging in basketball?" I must have missed it. Winning two regular season conference titles is nice, but we have not beat a power conference school and we have not won a post-season conference title. This season, we lost to Houston by 33, to LSU by 25 and to Vanderbilt by 19. We are a long way away from being a good basketball program.

I would love to see the Bobcats in the MWC, but it is just not going to happen without a significant improvement in the football program. A 19-65 record since 2015 is hard to sell. The current President of the University is retiring and while she did a terrific job in a number of areas in her twenty years, athletic performance and accountability has not been one of those areas. Maybe with a new President, that will change. But at this point in time the MWC would be foolish to add Texas State.

(04-26-2022 12:33 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 06:33 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  I can see the mutual interest developing between Texas State and the MWC.

With Texas State surging in basketball, it will be difficult to imagine the Bobcats not going to the MWC (a league that cares about the sport of roundball, unlike the Belt).

Texas State is "surging in basketball?" I must have missed it. Winning two regular season conference titles is nice, but we have not beat a power conference school and we have not won a post-season conference title. This season, we lost to Houston by 33, to LSU by 25 and to Vanderbilt by 19. We are a long way away from being a good basketball program.

I would love to see the Bobcats in the MWC, but it is just not going to happen without a significant improvement in the football program. A 19-65 record since 2015 is hard to sell. The current President of the University is retiring and while she did a terrific job in a number of areas in her twenty years, athletic performance and accountability has not been one of those areas. Maybe with a new President, that will change. But at this point in time the MWC would be foolish to add Texas State.

President Trauth was awful and also pissed off a lot of the big donors by attacking Greek life, only positive from her is push for Tier 1 which we still haven’t achieved. Old AD Ties was awful as well. Glad to see them both gone… looking forward to this new leadership and hoping for the best. Need to put more money into athletics.

Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

(04-27-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

Those options would be??

(04-27-2022 08:39 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

Those options would be??

Not us anyway

(04-27-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

By better options you mean teams that would consider joining CUSA as Texas State has no interest.

The only league that would make sense for Texas State to move to is the AAC.

(04-27-2022 09:43 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

By better options you mean teams that would consider joining CUSA as Texas State has no interest.

The only league that would make sense for Texas State to move to is the AAC.

No I mean better options.

(04-27-2022 10:04 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 09:43 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

By better options you mean teams that would consider joining CUSA as Texas State has no interest.

The only league that would make sense for Texas State to move to is the AAC.

No I mean better options.

And of the teams who would actually consider joining CUSA who would be a better option?

(04-27-2022 10:04 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 09:43 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 07:24 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would CUSA want Tx St with other options available?

By better options you mean teams that would consider joining CUSA as Texas State has no interest.

The only league that would make sense for Texas State to move to is the AAC.

No I mean better options.

dude, its ok to admit where CUSA is. Look at where the SBC was at in 2013 when App joined. 10 years later its a completely different situation. Maybe JSU will help lead a renaissance for CUSA. As it stands, Cusa is bottom of the barrel. TXST wouldn't join at this juncture. A lot is going to have to change for CUSA to be back in a position to entice a TXST to join.

Personally, i think that ship has sailed, permanently. But i don't make the rules, i could be wrong.

(04-26-2022 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  As a fan of Boise St, the MWC by proxy, and Western alignment but also as a lifelong Texan (born on the Coast, raised in Houston, undergrad in East Texas, grad school in Houston, lived in Austin, and currently live in DFW), I have always viewed Texas St as a peer institution with Lamar, Sam Houston St, and Stephen F. Austin St. I was absolutely sure Texas St would fail as a FBS school. After these last several years, I am convinced Texas St has an incredibly high ceiling but have been nothing short of disappointing. That being said, I think they belong in the Sun Belt which I believe is going to be a much stronger conference in the coming years. I wish the Sun Belt had another Texas football school (I'd say North Texas) which would make Texas St seem less like it is on an island.

What is your link to Boise State?