(02-19-2022 11:56 AM)tke75hawk Wrote:  82 hawk i posted in earlier post that i was told by a coach that uncg and winthrop both turned down caa when approached to join. Since then uncg pushed to increase cost to leave to $2 million. I am now ready to say it is time to leave caa. It caters to football and the northern schools.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Noooo guys cmon divisions fixes everything

(02-19-2022 11:56 AM)tke75hawk Wrote:  82 hawk i posted in earlier post that i was told by a coach that uncg and winthrop both turned down caa when approached to join. Since then uncg pushed to increase cost to leave to $2 million. I am now ready to say it is time to leave caa. It caters to football and the northern schools.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Cool idea. And go where?

(02-19-2022 12:17 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 11:56 AM)tke75hawk Wrote:  82 hawk i posted in earlier post that i was told by a coach that uncg and winthrop both turned down caa when approached to join. Since then uncg pushed to increase cost to leave to $2 million. I am now ready to say it is time to leave caa. It caters to football and the northern schools.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

Cool idea. And go where?

SoCon. ASUN. A-10 would be dream scenario but that’s not going to happen because of a LONG history of bad decisions, including just going with the Flo (pun intended) in the CAA.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

It would not be difficult for the remaining southern power schools in our conference to join together and sell themselves as a package deal to another conference. WM dislikes the CAA. CofC and us as a trio and that’s a solid three to go anywhere. Add Elon potentially and it’s an even better deal.

At this point, there’s no reason for any of those four schools to stay in the CAA. Not even with the current additions and hope of divisions.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I'm sure plenty of fans are unhappy with their conference, but I'm surprised anybody would want to go a conference that's nine spots worse in the Conference NET. The CAA is 14th, and the ASUN is 23rd. The A10 would be better quality, but you would still have long travel. When Loyola Chicago joins, they will have 15 teams. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure (upstate New York), Duquesne (Pittsburgh), Fordham (New York City), Saint Louis, Dayton, and Loyola Chicago are eight of the fifteen that are farther from you than most or all CAA teams. VCU, Richmond, George Mason, George Washington, and Davidson are the only ones in or south of D.C., and St. Joseph's and La Salle are in Philadelphia. There's no doubt that the SoCon has the best combination of quality and geography, but the question is if they want a team that doesn't play Football.

(02-19-2022 12:35 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'm sure plenty of fans are unhappy with their conference, but I'm surprised anybody would want to go a conference that's nine spots worse in the Conference NET. The CAA is 14th, and the ASUN is 23rd. The A10 would be better quality, but you would still have long travel. When Loyola Chicago joins, they will have 15 teams. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure (upstate New York), Duquesne (Pittsburgh), Fordham (New York City), Saint Louis, Dayton, and Loyola Chicago are eight of the fifteen that are farther from you than most or all CAA teams. VCU, Richmond, George Mason, George Washington, and Davidson are the only ones in or south of D.C., and St. Joseph's and La Salle are in Philadelphia. There's no doubt that the SoCon has the best combination of quality and geography, but the question is if they want a team that doesn't play Football.

Exactly


Sooner or later the SoCon is going to lose the arms race to the CAA. They are having a nice run right now, but budgets and school enrollments aren't in the ball park of the CAA top to bottom. It's only a matter of time before the CAA moves back ahead of the SoCon. The loss of JMU in basketball is a plus. Stony Brook and Monmouth are both better and A&T is at least as good.

The part everyone is missing is that budget money saved on travel can be invested in areas that actually matter. Attendance should be better across the board as opposing fans will be able to attend more games in areas where alumni live. As an example, UNCW had decent fan attendance for Elon. Add in NCA&T and that's another easy trip for anyone near Greensboro. William and Mary benefits in attendance with Hampton, and Hofstra with Stony Brook. I'd love to see a a calculation of expected savings on travel as well as increased attendance due to divisional setups.

(02-19-2022 01:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 12:35 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'm sure plenty of fans are unhappy with their conference, but I'm surprised anybody would want to go a conference that's nine spots worse in the Conference NET. The CAA is 14th, and the ASUN is 23rd. The A10 would be better quality, but you would still have long travel. When Loyola Chicago joins, they will have 15 teams. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure (upstate New York), Duquesne (Pittsburgh), Fordham (New York City), Saint Louis, Dayton, and Loyola Chicago are eight of the fifteen that are farther from you than most or all CAA teams. VCU, Richmond, George Mason, George Washington, and Davidson are the only ones in or south of D.C., and St. Joseph's and La Salle are in Philadelphia. There's no doubt that the SoCon has the best combination of quality and geography, but the question is if they want a team that doesn't play Football.

Exactly


Sooner or later the SoCon is going to lose the arms race to the CAA. They are having a nice run right now, but budgets and school enrollments aren't in the ball park of the CAA top to bottom. It's only a matter of time before the CAA moves back ahead of the SoCon. The loss of JMU in basketball is a plus. Stony Brook and Monmouth are both better and A&T is at least as good.

The part everyone is missing is that budget money saved on travel can be invested in areas that actually matter. Attendance should be better across the board as opposing fans will be able to attend more games in areas where alumni live. As an example, UNCW had decent fan attendance for Elon. Add in NCA&T and that's another easy trip for anyone near Greensboro. William and Mary benefits in attendance with Hampton, and Hofstra with Stony Brook. I'd love to see a a calculation of expected savings on travel as well as increased attendance due to divisional setups.

Enjoy your cake while you have it, just don’t expect any of us who say the CAA and it’s leadership is trash to feel bad for you when there’s no more cake.

If you’re gonna hang your hat on the belief that the CAA cares about southern schools and basketball, there’s really nothing to debate anymore.

Just don’t say we didn’t warn you when the CAA makes another colossally awful decision that pisses us off. Or when a southern CAA school with better leadership enacts their exit strategy and we’re left with our trousers around our ankles in broad daylight… again.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

The only way we could have improved our lot was to

1. Invest in football back in the day. If we had a foundation of FCS football and ambition for FBS perhaps we could have take Coastal's spot in the Sunbelt. That would have allowed us to keep pace with ODU, Georgia St, and now JMU

2. Be consistent. Getting into the A10 was already a long shot for us due to our market size, but that slump from 07 to 16 killed us. That would have allowed us to keep pace with VCU, Richmond, and GMU

Since neither of those things happen we gotta make the best of what we have.

(02-19-2022 01:20 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 01:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 12:35 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'm sure plenty of fans are unhappy with their conference, but I'm surprised anybody would want to go a conference that's nine spots worse in the Conference NET. The CAA is 14th, and the ASUN is 23rd. The A10 would be better quality, but you would still have long travel. When Loyola Chicago joins, they will have 15 teams. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure (upstate New York), Duquesne (Pittsburgh), Fordham (New York City), Saint Louis, Dayton, and Loyola Chicago are eight of the fifteen that are farther from you than most or all CAA teams. VCU, Richmond, George Mason, George Washington, and Davidson are the only ones in or south of D.C., and St. Joseph's and La Salle are in Philadelphia. There's no doubt that the SoCon has the best combination of quality and geography, but the question is if they want a team that doesn't play Football.

Exactly


Sooner or later the SoCon is going to lose the arms race to the CAA. They are having a nice run right now, but budgets and school enrollments aren't in the ball park of the CAA top to bottom. It's only a matter of time before the CAA moves back ahead of the SoCon. The loss of JMU in basketball is a plus. Stony Brook and Monmouth are both better and A&T is at least as good.

The part everyone is missing is that budget money saved on travel can be invested in areas that actually matter. Attendance should be better across the board as opposing fans will be able to attend more games in areas where alumni live. As an example, UNCW had decent fan attendance for Elon. Add in NCA&T and that's another easy trip for anyone near Greensboro. William and Mary benefits in attendance with Hampton, and Hofstra with Stony Brook. I'd love to see a a calculation of expected savings on travel as well as increased attendance due to divisional setups.

Enjoy your cake while you have it, just don’t expect any of us who say the CAA and it’s leadership is trash to feel bad for you when there’s no more cake.

If you’re gonna hang your hat on the belief that the CAA cares about southern schools and basketball, there’s really nothing to debate anymore.

Just don’t say we didn’t warn you when the CAA makes another colossally awful decision that pisses us off. Or when a southern CAA school with better leadership enacts their exit strategy and we’re left with our trousers around our ankles in broad daylight… again.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Time will tell eh? I don't spend a lot of time on wishes and hopes. I just analyze what is and make predictions based on facts. The SoCon would be nice, and I'd 100 percent prefer if UNCW and CofC moved to the SoCon together. And maybe that's the plan and both schools have done a fantastic job keeping it on the DL. I think the SoCon would be wise to make that move, but to be honest, they are too focused on football as well. Until I see an invite to the SoCon, making the CAA the best is can be for UNCW is the best option. And our situation division blows away anything we would have in the Big Sloth or the ADone

(02-19-2022 01:20 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 01:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 12:35 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'm sure plenty of fans are unhappy with their conference, but I'm surprised anybody would want to go a conference that's nine spots worse in the Conference NET. The CAA is 14th, and the ASUN is 23rd. The A10 would be better quality, but you would still have long travel. When Loyola Chicago joins, they will have 15 teams. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure (upstate New York), Duquesne (Pittsburgh), Fordham (New York City), Saint Louis, Dayton, and Loyola Chicago are eight of the fifteen that are farther from you than most or all CAA teams. VCU, Richmond, George Mason, George Washington, and Davidson are the only ones in or south of D.C., and St. Joseph's and La Salle are in Philadelphia. There's no doubt that the SoCon has the best combination of quality and geography, but the question is if they want a team that doesn't play Football.

Exactly


Sooner or later the SoCon is going to lose the arms race to the CAA. They are having a nice run right now, but budgets and school enrollments aren't in the ball park of the CAA top to bottom. It's only a matter of time before the CAA moves back ahead of the SoCon. The loss of JMU in basketball is a plus. Stony Brook and Monmouth are both better and A&T is at least as good.

The part everyone is missing is that budget money saved on travel can be invested in areas that actually matter. Attendance should be better across the board as opposing fans will be able to attend more games in areas where alumni live. As an example, UNCW had decent fan attendance for Elon. Add in NCA&T and that's another easy trip for anyone near Greensboro. William and Mary benefits in attendance with Hampton, and Hofstra with Stony Brook. I'd love to see a a calculation of expected savings on travel as well as increased attendance due to divisional setups.

Enjoy your cake while you have it, just don’t expect any of us who say the CAA and it’s leadership is trash to feel bad for you when there’s no more cake.

If you’re gonna hang your hat on the belief that the CAA cares about southern schools and basketball, there’s really nothing to debate anymore.

Just don’t say we didn’t warn you when the CAA makes another colossally awful decision that pisses us off. Or when a southern CAA school with better leadership enacts their exit strategy and we’re left with our trousers around our ankles in broad daylight… again.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Time will tell eh? I don't spend a lot of time on wishes and hopes. I just analyze what is and make predictions based on facts. The SoCon would be nice, and I'd 100 percent prefer if UNCW and CofC moved to the SoCon together. And maybe that's the plan and both schools have done a fantastic job keeping it on the DL. I think the SoCon would be wise to make that move, but to be honest, they are too focused on football as well. Until I see an invite to the SoCon, making the CAA the best is can be for UNCW is the best option. And our situation division blows away anything we would have in the Big Sloth or the ADone

(02-19-2022 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The only way we could have improved our lot was to

1. Invest in football back in the day. If we had a foundation of FCS football and ambition for FBS perhaps we could have take Coastal's spot in the Sunbelt. That would have allowed us to keep pace with ODU, Georgia St, and now JMU

2. Be consistent. Getting into the A10 was already a long shot for us due to our market size, but that slump from 07 to 16 killed us. That would have allowed us to keep pace with VCU, Richmond, and GMU

Since neither of those things happen we gotta make the best of what we have.

Agree, and our school’s lack of vision and action is just as much to blame for our plight as the CAA in general. I’ve been saying UNCW should add football as far back as when I was a student. It’s always been met with, “no, it’s not possible, we can’t, etc.” How many mid major schools about our size or even smaller have we seen add football programs in the last 20 years? We could’ve done it, if leadership had a vision for th future. Instead, we settle, and settle, and settle some more (I’ve told you numerous times what that gets you).

Point is, we settled and NOT ONCE have we put ourselves in a position of leverage. Not once. We should’ve cut useless programs a long time ago. We should’ve increased student athletics fees a long time ago, and let’s be real… UNC-Wilmington does a crap ass job of fundraising. We love our excuses, and we use them often. And here we are, still in a bad situation with zero positive outlook. Now the most positive reason we are told to like the CAA is “because what other options are there?”

That’s crap.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

(02-19-2022 12:35 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'm sure plenty of fans are unhappy with their conference, but I'm surprised anybody would want to go a conference that's nine spots worse in the Conference NET. The CAA is 14th, and the ASUN is 23rd.

I’ll give a **** about a northern school’s opinion on this topic when you prove to me the CAA gets more auto bids to the NCAA tourney than the ASUN.

Nine spots is much to do about nothing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

(02-19-2022 02:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The only way we could have improved our lot was to

1. Invest in football back in the day. If we had a foundation of FCS football and ambition for FBS perhaps we could have take Coastal's spot in the Sunbelt. That would have allowed us to keep pace with ODU, Georgia St, and now JMU

2. Be consistent. Getting into the A10 was already a long shot for us due to our market size, but that slump from 07 to 16 killed us. That would have allowed us to keep pace with VCU, Richmond, and GMU

Since neither of those things happen we gotta make the best of what we have.

Agree, and our school’s lack of vision and action is just as much to blame for our plight as the CAA in general. I’ve been saying UNCW should add football as far back as when I was a student. It’s always been met with, “no, it’s not possible, we can’t, etc.” How many mid major schools about our size or even smaller have we seen add football programs in the last 20 years? We could’ve done it, if leadership had a vision for th future. Instead, we settle, and settle, and settle some more (I’ve told you numerous times what that gets you).

Point is, we settled and NOT ONCE have we put ourselves in a position of leverage. Not once. We should’ve cut useless programs a long time ago. We should’ve increased student athletics fees a long time ago, and let’s be real… UNC-Wilmington does a crap ass job of fundraising. We love our excuses, and we use them often. And here we are, still in a bad situation with zero positive outlook. Now the most positive reason we are told to like the CAA is “because what other options are there?”

That’s crap.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I hear ya

But none of our past mistakes changes the here and now.

Our two options are to build a southern division of the CAA or try and petition the SoCon.

Both are viable options and both have their pros and cons.

(02-19-2022 03:17 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 02:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The only way we could have improved our lot was to

1. Invest in football back in the day. If we had a foundation of FCS football and ambition for FBS perhaps we could have take Coastal's spot in the Sunbelt. That would have allowed us to keep pace with ODU, Georgia St, and now JMU

2. Be consistent. Getting into the A10 was already a long shot for us due to our market size, but that slump from 07 to 16 killed us. That would have allowed us to keep pace with VCU, Richmond, and GMU

Since neither of those things happen we gotta make the best of what we have.

Agree, and our school’s lack of vision and action is just as much to blame for our plight as the CAA in general. I’ve been saying UNCW should add football as far back as when I was a student. It’s always been met with, “no, it’s not possible, we can’t, etc.” How many mid major schools about our size or even smaller have we seen add football programs in the last 20 years? We could’ve done it, if leadership had a vision for th future. Instead, we settle, and settle, and settle some more (I’ve told you numerous times what that gets you).

Point is, we settled and NOT ONCE have we put ourselves in a position of leverage. Not once. We should’ve cut useless programs a long time ago. We should’ve increased student athletics fees a long time ago, and let’s be real… UNC-Wilmington does a crap ass job of fundraising. We love our excuses, and we use them often. And here we are, still in a bad situation with zero positive outlook. Now the most positive reason we are told to like the CAA is “because what other options are there?”

That’s crap.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I hear ya

But none of our past mistakes changes the here and now.

Our two options are to build a southern division of the CAA or try and petition the SoCon.

Both are viable options and both have their pros and cons.

Agree.

(02-19-2022 03:31 PM)mainejeff Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 03:17 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 02:18 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 01:34 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The only way we could have improved our lot was to

1. Invest in football back in the day. If we had a foundation of FCS football and ambition for FBS perhaps we could have take Coastal's spot in the Sunbelt. That would have allowed us to keep pace with ODU, Georgia St, and now JMU

2. Be consistent. Getting into the A10 was already a long shot for us due to our market size, but that slump from 07 to 16 killed us. That would have allowed us to keep pace with VCU, Richmond, and GMU

Since neither of those things happen we gotta make the best of what we have.

Agree, and our school’s lack of vision and action is just as much to blame for our plight as the CAA in general. I’ve been saying UNCW should add football as far back as when I was a student. It’s always been met with, “no, it’s not possible, we can’t, etc.” How many mid major schools about our size or even smaller have we seen add football programs in the last 20 years? We could’ve done it, if leadership had a vision for th future. Instead, we settle, and settle, and settle some more (I’ve told you numerous times what that gets you).

Point is, we settled and NOT ONCE have we put ourselves in a position of leverage. Not once. We should’ve cut useless programs a long time ago. We should’ve increased student athletics fees a long time ago, and let’s be real… UNC-Wilmington does a crap ass job of fundraising. We love our excuses, and we use them often. And here we are, still in a bad situation with zero positive outlook. Now the most positive reason we are told to like the CAA is “because what other options are there?”

That’s crap.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I hear ya

But none of our past mistakes changes the here and now.

Our two options are to build a southern division of the CAA or try and petition the SoCon.

Both are viable options and both have their pros and cons.

Agree.

Nobody asked you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

The CAA being 9 spots higher than the A-Sun does not make up for the travel costs and the Flo vs ESPN+ discrepancy.

F**k the CAA.

(02-19-2022 03:58 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The CAA being 9 spots higher than the A-Sun does not make up for the travel costs and the Flo vs ESPN+ discrepancy.

F**k the CAA.

Travel would be much higher in the ASun
A pontentisl ASun East would be
UNCW and CoC with 4 Florida schools (Jacksonville, UNF, Stetson, FGCU) and Kennesaw in Georgia. I guess you could bus to Jacksonville and UNF but that's a long drive

ASun West would be
Central Arkansas, Austin Peay and Lipscomb (TN), EKU and Bellarmine (KY), North Alabama, and one other Central divison football school

The CAA South will be a bus league 2 Tidewater Schools, 2 Greensboro schools, Wilmington, Charleston, plus one other NC or SC school

(02-19-2022 04:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 03:58 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The CAA being 9 spots higher than the A-Sun does not make up for the travel costs and the Flo vs ESPN+ discrepancy.

F**k the CAA.

Travel would be much higher in the ASun
A pontentisl ASun East would be
UNCW and CoC with 4 Florida schools (Jacksonville, UNF, Stetson, FGCU) and Kennesaw in Georgia. I guess you could bus to Jacksonville and UNF but that's a long drive

ASun West would be
Central Arkansas, Austin Peay and Lipscomb (TN), EKU and Bellarmine (KY), North Alabama, and one other Central divison football school

The CAA South will be a bus league 2 Tidewater Schools, 2 Greensboro schools, Wilmington, Charleston, plus one other NC or SC school

Until Charleston leaves. Then what.

(02-19-2022 04:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 04:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 03:58 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The CAA being 9 spots higher than the A-Sun does not make up for the travel costs and the Flo vs ESPN+ discrepancy.

F**k the CAA.

Travel would be much higher in the ASun
A pontentisl ASun East would be
UNCW and CoC with 4 Florida schools (Jacksonville, UNF, Stetson, FGCU) and Kennesaw in Georgia. I guess you could bus to Jacksonville and UNF but that's a long drive

ASun West would be
Central Arkansas, Austin Peay and Lipscomb (TN), EKU and Bellarmine (KY), North Alabama, and one other Central divison football school

The CAA South will be a bus league 2 Tidewater Schools, 2 Greensboro schools, Wilmington, Charleston, plus one other NC or SC school

Until Charleston leaves. Then what.

If Charleston gets an A10 invite and we don't it's going to suck no matter what league we are in. They are our biggest rival and the school with which we have the most in common.

If they do leave a 7 team CAA south dor the A10 you just plug in the best available replacement in the VA/NC/SC area

(02-19-2022 03:58 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The CAA being 9 spots higher than the A-Sun does not make up for the travel costs and the Flo vs ESPN+ discrepancy.

F**k the CAA.

We can change the Flo contract and likely will. If we were going to renew, it would have happened by now. It's much more difficult to improve a historically sucky conference.
There may be a much bigger picture you are missing. If the CAA can bring in Howard and UNCG, we will have an actual product to bring to ESPN with the markets and the top HBCU's in our market. The A10 gets paid by ESPN, while the SoCon gets exposure and no payout. With the right schools, there is the potential for an actual payday for the CAA from ESPN. Wouldn't surprise me if ESPN is working behind the scenes to entice the right schools to make it happen. Solid East Coast conferences are valuable for marketing, and the CAA is putting together a pretty good stable of schools up and down the east coast, and in some big markets.