Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

Ideally, the Big East needs at least one of the following three in the top 25 most years: Marquette, Georgetown, St. John's.

To see the Hoya program so mediocre under Big Pat ... not good.

Free Chick Fil-A for the Dunkin Donuts Center attendees today after Alexander misses two consecutive FTs. Epic crowd reaction haha.

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

great announcement-

Let's go!

(01-08-2022 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

(01-18-2022 09:11 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

Yeah good point...

And would say that right now, Georgetown is even lower in RPI- #235 than they are NET #212.

And Butler isn't exactly much stronger. They were #141 in NET going into tonight and they lost by 17. They look like they could be in that 160-180 range end of the year.

(01-18-2022 11:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:11 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

Yeah good point...

And would say that right now, Georgetown is even lower in RPI- #235 than they are NET #212.

And Butler isn't exactly much stronger. They were #141 in NET going into tonight and they lost by 17. They look like they could be in that 160-180 range end of the year.

I mean no disrespect to Butler or their players in saying this... But watching the game last night, they looked like a mid major program. Not even necessarily talent wise, but more so in terms of size, length and athleticism. A lot of their guys just looked small and seemed to be average athletes at best. Have they been recruiting poorly in recent years? I haven't really followed

(01-19-2022 05:25 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:11 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

Yeah good point...

And would say that right now, Georgetown is even lower in RPI- #235 than they are NET #212.

And Butler isn't exactly much stronger. They were #141 in NET going into tonight and they lost by 17. They look like they could be in that 160-180 range end of the year.

I mean no disrespect to Butler or their players in saying this... But watching the game last night, they looked like a mid major program. Not even necessarily talent wise, but more so in terms of size, length and athleticism. A lot of their guys just looked small and seemed to be average athletes at best. Have they been recruiting poorly in recent years? I haven't really followed

sadly I agree with you. It's not that they're losing, but just not competitive at all. 8 losses this year- halftime score average is 23.6-37.3. No game closer than 8 points at halftime this year. 1st 10 minutes the average score is almost entirely like last night- 10.9-18.5.

Looked like a 4/13 type of NCAA game. Now some of that is UConn is freakishly long but still. Butler is the shortest team according to KP in the BE. 0.3" smaller per person than everyone else. And also only the 8th most experience in the conference this year- better than just Creighton, Georgetown, and Marquette.

(01-19-2022 05:25 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:11 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 12:30 PM)kmdhoya Wrote:  Georgetown now has a KenPom ranking of 129 (worst in school history). The fanbase is growing restless.

This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

Yeah good point...

And would say that right now, Georgetown is even lower in RPI- #235 than they are NET #212.

And Butler isn't exactly much stronger. They were #141 in NET going into tonight and they lost by 17. They look like they could be in that 160-180 range end of the year.

I mean no disrespect to Butler or their players in saying this... But watching the game last night, they looked like a mid major program. Not even necessarily talent wise, but more so in terms of size, length and athleticism. A lot of their guys just looked small and seemed to be average athletes at best. Have they been recruiting poorly in recent years? I haven't really followed

Part of the Butler hoops' problem/challenge is that the program is perceived as the "fourth best/most influential" in Indiana behind (in no particular order) Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. As such, Butler men's basketball is the only Big East program that is not viewed as one of the "three best" in its state.

And, yes, there are still folks who consider the Bulldog program "mid-major," as my brother (an IU grad and former six-year resident of Bloomington) can attest. I feel that is a misguided characterization (I see Butler as "major") but that label is a remnant of the Butler program "pre-Big East."

well, I think GW11 is officially giddy now.

(01-19-2022 12:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:25 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:11 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-08-2022 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  This could easily be the worst season for the Hoyas in 50 years. Rock bottom. To not be, Georgetown would have to go like 8-12 in conference play.. Seems like a given.

Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

Yeah good point...

And would say that right now, Georgetown is even lower in RPI- #235 than they are NET #212.

And Butler isn't exactly much stronger. They were #141 in NET going into tonight and they lost by 17. They look like they could be in that 160-180 range end of the year.

I mean no disrespect to Butler or their players in saying this... But watching the game last night, they looked like a mid major program. Not even necessarily talent wise, but more so in terms of size, length and athleticism. A lot of their guys just looked small and seemed to be average athletes at best. Have they been recruiting poorly in recent years? I haven't really followed

Part of the Butler hoops' problem/challenge is that the program is perceived as the "fourth best/most influential" in Indiana behind (in no particular order) Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. As such, Butler men's basketball is the only Big East program that is not viewed as one of the "three best" in its state.

And, yes, there are still folks who consider the Bulldog program "mid-major," as my brother (an IU grad and former six-year resident of Bloomington) can attest. I feel that is a misguided characterization (I see Butler as "major") but that label is a remnant of the Butler program "pre-Big East."

Yeah, I haven't considered them mid major since they joined the A-10 tbh. They were great under Stevenson. Didn't really consider how far down the pecking order they are in Indiana hoops pedigree (always just figured Indiana is basketball crazed and didn't think much further than that), but that's a good point as well.

Regardless, hopefully their recruiting picks back up soon!

(01-19-2022 10:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  well, I think GW11 is officially giddy now.

A lot of change can go into a program in just a year (which should provide high hopes to any program that is struggling or down right now).

I have so many thoughts on the Wojo-era, but one aspect that I think is very relevant now is that Wojo was actually a really, really good recruiter. Between the high-level players like Howard, the Hausers, and Ellenson, and the glue guys/complimentary players like Reinhardt, Anim, Cain, John, etc., he was successful in bringing in skilled players into the program (BE-level is definitely up to debate). Where he really struggled with was getting these pieces to play together in a system (and it's not a system when you rely on one player with high volume shooting, surrounded by shooters that are paired with subpar defensive players).

Greg Elliott, Justin Lewis and Oso Ighodaro are Wojo recruits that are thriving in Shaka's system. They have roles and are getting coaching that has developed (and is developing) their skills. We would not be having our success this year without these three, so Wojo and his staff definitely deserve some credit to the program's success - as disappointing and lack of postseason success the program endured under their watch. Furthermore, it is gratifying to see guys like Jamal Cain (Oakland), Theo John (Duke), Koby McEwen (Weber State), Sy Torrence (Syracuse), Jose Perez (Manhattan) and Dawson Garcia (UNC) playing this year, and - to varying levels - experience newfound success on their new teams. The only players that left Marquette that made it tremendously difficult to root for were the Hausers - but that is a story for another day, and that that ship has been sailed for awhile now. I do actually hope for Joey to experience a deep tournament run at MSU (just not against MU, fingers crossed).

Making the NCAAT in Year 1 of Shaka would be an incredible dream, given everything that has happened over the past several years. A lot of basketball left, so definitely not guaranteeing anything yet. Still just enjoying the ride.

(01-19-2022 10:37 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:35 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:25 AM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:11 PM)Nameless Wrote:  Couldn't believe it earlier when I checked their NET and saw they were 200+... Didn't think I would ever see a Big East team that low. Even DePaul seems to bottom out around 160-180 in their worst years

Yeah good point...

And would say that right now, Georgetown is even lower in RPI- #235 than they are NET #212.

And Butler isn't exactly much stronger. They were #141 in NET going into tonight and they lost by 17. They look like they could be in that 160-180 range end of the year.

I mean no disrespect to Butler or their players in saying this... But watching the game last night, they looked like a mid major program. Not even necessarily talent wise, but more so in terms of size, length and athleticism. A lot of their guys just looked small and seemed to be average athletes at best. Have they been recruiting poorly in recent years? I haven't really followed

Part of the Butler hoops' problem/challenge is that the program is perceived as the "fourth best/most influential" in Indiana behind (in no particular order) Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. As such, Butler men's basketball is the only Big East program that is not viewed as one of the "three best" in its state.

And, yes, there are still folks who consider the Bulldog program "mid-major," as my brother (an IU grad and former six-year resident of Bloomington) can attest. I feel that is a misguided characterization (I see Butler as "major") but that label is a remnant of the Butler program "pre-Big East."

Yeah, I haven't considered them mid major since they joined the A-10 tbh. They were great under Stevenson. Didn't really consider how far down the pecking order they are in Indiana hoops pedigree (always just figured Indiana is basketball crazed and didn't think much further than that), but that's a good point as well.

Regardless, hopefully their recruiting picks back up soon!

I would argue (for various reasons) that Butler is the "least ideal fit" for the Big East. Having said that, I still consider the university a solid member of the league.

College basketball in Indiana is a bit unusual in that there are four programs that are members of power hoops leagues — which is impressive given the state's population, which ranks 17th nationally. Only two states with more people (California and Texas) have four or more programs in power leagues.

Indiana is also unusual in that there is not one of the four power league programs (IU, Purdue, ND and Butler) that has a significant number (or "edge" over the other three, for that matter) of Black fans. There are various cultural and historical reasons for this. In fact, and from what I have gathered over the years, a decent number of Black college hoops fans living in Indiana would list a "favorite" men's college basketball program as one located outside the state. That dynamic alone creates a challenge for the Indiana Hoosier program in recruiting. For a program like Butler — it can be extremely challenging.

so right now, this is how the BET would look-
1 Providence
8 Seton Hall vs 9 Butler

4 UConn
5 Marquette

2 Villanova
7 St John's vs 10 DePaul

3 Xavier
6 Creighton vs 11 Georgetown

Nova with the 2 seed with the easiest path to the SF.

MU cracks the top-25 in Shaka's first year as #22. Absolutely incredible.

(01-24-2022 01:05 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  MU cracks the top-25 in Shaka's first year as #22. Absolutely incredible.

at the expense of Texas who fell out. he had to love that.

I've seen only some highlights of Marquette but the team ranks among the most significant surprises of this season. Smart is a legit candidate for national COY.

I'd like to put out a missing persons report. The members of Seton Hall basketball team are MIA.

wow 82-55 with 5 to go.