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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
Still carrying the torch after so many years.
You probably pray at your josh pastner altar every night, don't you?
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 09:02 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
Still carrying the torch after so many years.
You probably pray at your josh pastner altar every night, don't you?
No --you know better----I pray to JESUS only my friend
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
I think he got lucky there. Tell me what really happened.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 09:25 PM)Browning Hall Wrote: (01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
I think he got lucky there. Tell me what really happened.
As memory serves ----I could be wrong LOL---family/dad didn't want him playing for X/JUDAS/FREDO/BENEDICT--so he went elsewhere . After Judas left ---Williams GRANDMOTHER/family member ? got sick and NCAA allowed transfer back home --------so I guess Pastner sort of did get him in unusual way
Other posters will clarify for sure
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
Mack and Spoon could have started for Penny. Kemp would be an upgrade at the PG spot at the moment.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
Quote:He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
In NCAA basketball, there isn't anything more meaningless than all of this. Each job is purely coach driven. We have seen dozens of programs take years if not decades to recover from losing great coaches. Some never do. NCAA basketball programs are purely coach driven.
Arkansas - Richardson
Georgetown - Thompson
Houston - Lewis
Cincinnati - Huggins
Temple - Chaney
Loserville - Pitino
NC State - Valvano
Illinois - Self
UConn - Calhoun
Texas - Barnes
Iowa State - Hoiberg
St. Johns - Carneseca
Indiana - Knight
UAB - Davis
Missouri - Anderson
UNLV - Tarkanian
Arizona - Olsen
UCLA - Howland
Florida - Donovan
Butler - Stevens
De Paul - Meyer
Villanova - Massimino
Boston College - Williams
Tulsa - Self
Quote:He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He lost his top FOUR scorers. Tyreke, Dozier, Taggart and Anderson. The 2001 team returned 8 of its top 9.
2001
Wise
Scooter
Barron
Grice
Chatman
Trask
2010
EW
Coleman
Spoon
Sallie
Mack
Kemp
The 2001 team would win. 2010 had a front line of first year Juco Coleman, Niles (2.4 points as a junior) and Garcia, who only played 12 games because of major injuries the two seasons before. That was the entire roster at the 4 and 5.
Quote:He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
He played less than 10 games 3 out of his 5 seasons, and started 2 games in his entire career. Earl started 31 games.
I know about the hardship transfer, but he still had to recruit him. IF he didn't like Pastner, he wouldn't have come. He quadrupled his scoring and increased his assists more than five fold. Give Pastner some credit, and also give him credit for Spoon and Kemp improving. Cal was gifted Scooter and Kelly Wise was better than anyone Pastner inherited.
Quote:That is not a rebuild.
Out of that nucleus he lost EW, Kemp, Mack and Niles the next season, not to mention Garcia and Sallie ending up leaving. The only inherited player left on the roster after his second season was Spoon. It was every bit the rebuild.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-18-2022 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
Quote:He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
In NCAA basketball, there isn't anything more meaningless than all of this. Each job is purely coach driven. We have seen dozens of programs take years if not decades to recover from losing great coaches. Some never do. NCAA basketball programs are purely coach driven.
Arkansas - Self
Georgetown - Thompson
Houston - Lewis
Cincinnati - Huggins
Temple - Chaney
Loserville - Pitino
NC State - Valvano
Illinois - Self
UConn - Calhoun
Texas - Barnes
Iowa State - Hoiberg
St. Johns - Carneseca
Indiana - Knight
UAB - Davis
Missouri - Anderson
UNLV - Tarkanian
Arizona - Olsen
UCLA - Howland
Florida - Donovan
Butler - Stevens
De Paul - Meyer
Villanova - Massimino
Boston College - Williams
Tulsa - Self
Quote:He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He lost his top FOUR scorers. Tyreke, Dozier, Taggart and Anderson. The 2001 team returned 8 of its top 9.
2001
Wise
Scooter
Barron
Grice
Chatman
Trask
2010
EW
Coleman
Spoon
Sallie
Mack
Kemp
The 2001 team would win. 2010 had a front line of first year Juco Coleman, Niles (2.4 points as a junior) and Garcia, who only played 12 games because of major injuries the two seasons before. That was the entire roster at the 4 and 5.
Quote:He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
He played less than 10 games 3 out of his 5 seasons, and started 2 games in his entire career. Earl started 31 games.
I know about the hardship transfer, but he still had to recruit him. IF he didn't like Pastner, he wouldn't have come. He quadrupled his scoring and increased his assists more than five fold. Give Pastner some credit, and also give him credit for Spoon and Kemp improving. Cal was gifted Scooter and Kelly Wise was better than anyone Pastner inherited.
Quote:That is not a rebuild.
Out of that nucleus he lost EW, Kemp, Mack and Niles the next season, not to mention Garcia and Sallie ending up leaving. The only inherited player left on the roster after his second season was Spoon. It was every bit the rebuild.
^this^
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
All of this jibber jabber about Pastner is NO LONGER TIGER RELATED.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
Pastner didnt know how to use Garcia. Hard to blame him for leaving in the middle of the season to get paid to play.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-18-2022 11:57 PM)Keeper Wrote: All of this jibber jabber about Pastner isNO LONGER TIGER RELATED.
Do we have to vacate that era of Tiger basketball?
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-18-2022 12:24 AM)Stammers Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: (01-15-2022 08:53 AM)Tiger5 Wrote: Looking over the past 50 years, every Tiger coach made the NCAA within the first 3 years of coaching at Memphis, With the exception of Moe Iba.
Bartow 1973 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1970)
Yates 1976 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1974)
Kirk 1982 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1979)
Finch 1988 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 1986)
Tic Price only coached 2 years
Calipari 2003 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2000)
Pastner 2011 NCAA Appearance (started coaching 2009)
Tubby only coached 2 years
Penny is in his 4th year and probably only makes the tournament by winning the conference tournament. Just shocked we have had such a long drought.
Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
Quote:He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
In NCAA basketball, there isn't anything more meaningless than all of this. Each job is purely coach driven. We have seen dozens of programs take years if not decades to recover from losing great coaches. Some never do. NCAA basketball programs are purely coach driven.
Arkansas - Richardson
Georgetown - Thompson
Houston - Lewis
Cincinnati - Huggins
Temple - Chaney
Loserville - Pitino
NC State - Valvano
Illinois - Self
UConn - Calhoun
Texas - Barnes
Iowa State - Hoiberg
St. Johns - Carneseca
Indiana - Knight
UAB - Davis
Missouri - Anderson
UNLV - Tarkanian
Arizona - Olsen
UCLA - Howland
Florida - Donovan
Butler - Stevens
De Paul - Meyer
Villanova - Massimino
Boston College - Williams
Tulsa - Self
Quote:He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He lost his top FOUR scorers. Tyreke, Dozier, Taggart and Anderson. The 2001 team returned 8 of its top 9.
2001
Wise
Scooter
Barron
Grice
Chatman
Trask
2010
EW
Coleman
Spoon
Sallie
Mack
Kemp
The 2001 team would win. 2010 had a front line of first year Juco Coleman, Niles (2.4 points as a junior) and Garcia, who only played 12 games because of major injuries the two seasons before. That was the entire roster at the 4 and 5.
Quote:He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
He played less than 10 games 3 out of his 5 seasons, and started 2 games in his entire career. Earl started 31 games.
I know about the hardship transfer, but he still had to recruit him. IF he didn't like Pastner, he wouldn't have come. He quadrupled his scoring and increased his assists more than five fold. Give Pastner some credit, and also give him credit for Spoon and Kemp improving. Cal was gifted Scooter and Kelly Wise was better than anyone Pastner inherited.
Quote:That is not a rebuild.
Out of that nucleus he lost EW, Kemp, Mack and Niles the next season, not to mention Garcia and Sallie ending up leaving. The only inherited player left on the roster after his second season was Spoon. It was every bit the rebuild.
nah
As a new coach, give me those guys every time as a foundation and I'll take it.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-18-2022 12:15 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
Mack and Spoon could have started for Penny. Kemp would be an upgrade at the PG spot at the moment.
Beat me to it. I'd give anything to have those type players today.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-18-2022 11:57 PM)Keeper Wrote: All of this jibber jabber about Pastner isNO LONGER TIGER RELATED.
Agreed, this should go in the "Who??" column.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-18-2022 12:15 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-16-2022 05:38 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote: Neither Yates, Finch nor Pastner had to rebuild the team.
Bartow, Kirk, Cal and Penny have had to.
PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
Mack and Spoon could have started for Penny. Kemp would be an upgrade at the PG spot at the moment.
Kemp would be the best PG of the Hardaway era.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-22-2022 06:57 PM)Keeper Wrote: (01-18-2022 12:15 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (01-17-2022 08:33 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: (01-17-2022 06:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (01-16-2022 10:05 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: PASTNER didn't have to ?
No he certainly didn't.
He came in with attendance, money, and national PR at an all-time high.
He lost his top 3 guys, but returned all 6 of the remaining rotation - including Witherspoon, Mack, Kemp, and Sallie.
He was also gifted an NBA player in Elliot Williams.
That is not a rebuild.
You act as if Witherspoon/Mack/Kemp/Sallie were world beaters -----THEY WOULDN'T EVEN START on this years team
Again everything good that PASTNER does is just luck LOL---like getting Williams
Mack and Spoon could have started for Penny. Kemp would be an upgrade at the PG spot at the moment.
Kemp would be the best PG of the Hardaway era.
That is the fact, Jack! But he would not be starting.
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
holy jeezus...Pastner is 4-14 in conference play...what the f happened. He's worse than Louisville.
My mind hasn't changed about Penny. shrug. He had a plan. But it was going to take time and fans were going to go apeshit.
He wanted superior D, among other things...lol.
Superior D takes away from Offense. Plus the players can get into foul trouble, depending on the reffing crews . Unless you have a lot of players who can come off the bench and perform...you ain't got the legs for Offense at the end of games, not to mention your main men might foul out..
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RE: Minds changing about Penny
(01-22-2022 10:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: (01-18-2022 11:57 PM)Keeper Wrote: All of this jibber jabber about Pastner isNO LONGER TIGER RELATED.
Agreed, this should go in the "Who??" column.
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