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RE: 3 nba first round draft picks
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.
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(01-13-2022 01:56 PM)Cletus Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:51 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  Duren is by far the only first round pick on this team right now. I think in time Minott and Bates will get there but that's it. Maybe a team would take Bates late but tbh I don't get his appeal, even as a draft and hold prospect. He's not a consistent shooter, way too slight to be an effective slasher, and seems unathletic and stiff when handling the ball which means he can't create his own shot. He does seem to play hard and seems to really bother him that he's not playing better which I think is a positive.

Who is he?

And do you guys realize that Duren has not fully recovered from his hip injury?

Bates.
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(01-13-2022 02:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.

I see the canned tuna crowd is back for another round
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(01-13-2022 02:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.

Even with that, we still have more talent on the floor (than UCF, Tulane, Murray, etc.), pretty much every night.
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RE: 3 nba first round draft picks
(01-13-2022 02:36 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.

Even with that, we still have more talent on the floor (than UCF, Tulane, Murray, etc.), pretty much every night.


Literally no one one the planet disagrees with that or thinks the team is not underachieving.

But we are probably more like 11-4 than 9-6 if multiple key players were not out nearly every single game.
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(01-13-2022 02:35 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.

I see the canned tuna crowd is back for another round

I don't think we should can Penny. I think we have to ride it out with him, to the bitter end and hope we start consistently beating the UCF's and Tulane's of the world.
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(01-13-2022 02:44 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:36 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.

Even with that, we still have more talent on the floor (than UCF, Tulane, Murray, etc.), pretty much every night.


Literally no one one the planet disagrees with that or thinks the team is not underachieving.

But we are probably more like 11-4 than 9-6 if multiple players were not out nearly every single game.

It Williams plays vs Tulane and UCF we are 11-4 and unbeaten in league play. Probably on Lunardi’s last 4 byes list
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RE: 3 nba first round draft picks
(01-13-2022 02:47 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:44 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:36 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 02:06 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Three first rounders and a roster full of 4-stars and 5-stars.

And, 9-6 against a mediocre schedule.


That is not really an accurate depiction of the 9-6 at all.

Multiple first rounders and 4-5 star players have missed a lot of those games.

The team has certainly had its struggles and underachieved, but lets not pretend they have been at full strength for all these games. Quite the opposite.

Multiple key players are out in what seems like every game.

Even with that, we still have more talent on the floor (than UCF, Tulane, Murray, etc.), pretty much every night.


Literally no one one the planet disagrees with that or thinks the team is not underachieving.

But we are probably more like 11-4 than 9-6 if multiple players were not out nearly every single game.

It Williams plays vs Tulane and UCF we are 11-4 and unbeaten in league play. Probably on Lunardi’s last 4 byes list


Agreed.

Just Williams alone not being on the floor is a really big deal.
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Memphis 40-1 to win national championship

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(01-13-2022 01:17 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:55 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:49 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Which goes to prove how out of whack the rating systems are.

You gotta understand how to use your talent...And it also helps when you have players who do different things well.

We got a bunch of long guys who cant dribble...

Problem is our shorter guys can’t either

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(01-13-2022 12:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:34 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  7 guys and no one who can break a team down off the bounce...

UCF played it right...Stay home...Don't help and make us score over them...We couldn't do it.

Tis what it Tis. Williams is the straw that stirs this drink.

I hope you’re correct about Williams. With basically 7 players — 3 freshmen and one 5-7 point guard who gets posted up almost ever trip down the court — it’s hard to win. Hopefully, they’ll get a few guys back for the ECU game.

Not sure Williams can even be successful consistently with everyone else standing around. We need some ball & player movement inside/outside to influence the defense.

True...

But Williams likely requires a team to help in the post.

If you have been instructed by your coach to stay with your man no matter what...Which is what UCF did most of the night...Cutting aint gonna help much.

Pick & roll (on ball/off ball), spread the floor, inside/out passing, player rotations etc all help create space, not just cutting.
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Bates would absolutely be a lottery pick if he was eligible this year.

This has absolutely nothing to do with him as a college basketball player or his role on this team

Bates will be a lottery pick this year. If he quits the team tommorow. Doesn’t matter.

Minnot is a pro and a late first round pick this year. Hopefully he comes back
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(01-13-2022 04:41 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:34 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  7 guys and no one who can break a team down off the bounce...

UCF played it right...Stay home...Don't help and make us score over them...We couldn't do it.

Tis what it Tis. Williams is the straw that stirs this drink.

I hope you’re correct about Williams. With basically 7 players — 3 freshmen and one 5-7 point guard who gets posted up almost ever trip down the court — it’s hard to win. Hopefully, they’ll get a few guys back for the ECU game.

Not sure Williams can even be successful consistently with everyone else standing around. We need some ball & player movement inside/outside to influence the defense.

True...

But Williams likely requires a team to help in the post.

If you have been instructed by your coach to stay with your man no matter what...Which is what UCF did most of the night...Cutting aint gonna help much.

Pick & roll (on ball/off ball), spread the floor, inside/out passing, player rotations etc all help create space, not just cutting.

Williams contributes plenty tangible things. His biggest contribution is the leader. He’s 26? (Maybe 25). He’s tough. He calms everyone down when needed and fires them up when needed. We need him back to have a chance
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Duren only 4 shots vs UCF
That's criminal. Penny gotta get him involved..
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(01-13-2022 06:24 PM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  Bates would absolutely be a lottery pick if he was eligible this year.

This has absolutely nothing to do with him as a college basketball player or his role on this team

Bates will be a lottery pick this year. If he quits the team tommorow. Doesn’t matter.

Minnot is a pro and a late first round pick this year. Hopefully he comes back

Bates won't be a lottery pick "this year" as he's not eligible for the draft until 2023
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(01-13-2022 09:29 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Duren only 4 shots vs UCF
That's criminal. Penny gotta get him involved..


It looked to me like he was still favoring that hip on some plays.
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(01-13-2022 09:57 PM)tigertaylor Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 06:24 PM)Tigerspartan Wrote:  Bates would absolutely be a lottery pick if he was eligible this year.

This has absolutely nothing to do with him as a college basketball player or his role on this team

Bates will be a lottery pick this year. If he quits the team tommorow. Doesn’t matter.

Minnot is a pro and a late first round pick this year. Hopefully he comes back

Bates won't be a lottery pick "this year" as he's not eligible for the draft until 2023

Pretty sure he meant Duren in that 2nd sentence. Duren could quit right now and sitll be a first round pick.

He mentioned Bates eligibility in the first sentence.
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(01-13-2022 09:29 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Duren only 4 shots vs UCF
That's criminal. Penny gotta get him involved..

I have been critical of Penny. But Duren look completely checked out and uninterested in playing yesterday. In scouting reports “his motor” has been a consistent question by scouts. He has reputation of taking plays and games off…
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(01-13-2022 01:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 11:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I see Duren as a potential first round. No one else at this point. Just remember less than 3% of college players have an NBA career.

Seriously, as usual, wtf are you talking about?

NBADraft.net
12 Duren
12 Minott (2023)
23 Bates (2023)

Tankathon
5 Duren

NBA Draftroom
5 Duren
10 Bates (2023)
44 Minott (2023)

ESPN
5 Duren

Bleacher Report
6 Duren

USA Today
9 Duren

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I'm not talking about Memphis being #2 behind Cincy for a B12 bid, that's for sure....... and I can probably find a post around here where you or some other expert said D Lawson was an NBA lock too if I gave a damn about what you think. But you drivel on, Mr Never in Doubt but Seldom Correct.
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(01-13-2022 11:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 01:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 11:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I see Duren as a potential first round. No one else at this point. Just remember less than 3% of college players have an NBA career.

Seriously, as usual, wtf are you talking about?

NBADraft.net
12 Duren
12 Minott (2023)
23 Bates (2023)

Tankathon
5 Duren

NBA Draftroom
5 Duren
10 Bates (2023)
44 Minott (2023)

ESPN
5 Duren

Bleacher Report
6 Duren

USA Today
9 Duren

03-lmfao01-wingedeagle

I'm not talking about Memphis being #2 behind Cincy for a B12 bid, that's for sure....... and I can probably find a post around here where you or some other expert said D Chandler was an NBA lock too if I gave a damn about what you think. But you drivel on, Mr Never in Doubt but Seldom Correct.

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