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(12-27-2021 09:34 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  
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(12-16-2021 10:59 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Mac tried to take him to FIU to be his DC. He's a great recruiter and one of the up and coming defensive assistants in the country. He was literally the first coach Silverfield hired 2 years ago. I think it is very smart to make him interim DC and see how he does in the Hawaii Bowl - see if he can earn the job. Definitely didn't want to lose him.

How can he be a "great recruiter" if you are measuring by what we have in the secondary right now? To put it bluntly, our secondary sucks.

Our secondary has largely sucked for at least the last decade.

Quindell has been good. Francis has looked a lot better this year than we've seen before

Owens was good also.
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(12-16-2021 10:59 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Mac tried to take him to FIU to be his DC. He's a great recruiter and one of the up and coming defensive assistants in the country. He was literally the first coach Silverfield hired 2 years ago. I think it is very smart to make him interim DC and see how he does in the Hawaii Bowl - see if he can earn the job. Definitely didn't want to lose him.

How can he be a "great recruiter" if you are measuring by what we have in the secondary right now? To put it bluntly, our secondary sucks.

Our secondary has largely sucked for at least the last decade.

Quindell has been good. Francis has looked a lot better this year than we've seen before

Individual players look good on individual plays from time to time. That's why I said in an earlier post our secondary is filled with gifted athletes... D-1a level athletes. It's how they play as a group, and how they are coached to defend receiver routes that is poor. One of the most egregious errors I see over and over is a total lack of situational awareness.
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i think any secondary will look trash if the QB has all day to throw. and i dont think thats an indictment on the DL talent either..i think they just rushed 3 and dropped 8 and holes were always going to open in the coverage. Mac just wasnt aggressive enough
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(12-27-2021 01:58 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  i think any secondary will look trash if the QB has all day to throw. and i dont think thats an indictment on the DL talent either..i think they just rushed 3 and dropped 8 and holes were always going to open in the coverage. Mac just wasnt aggressive enough

The main thing is if you drop 8, the DB's need to be tight up against the receivers and bump them off of their routes. You don't drop all 8 more than 8 yards off of the line of scrimmage.
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(12-27-2021 02:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-27-2021 01:58 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  i think any secondary will look trash if the QB has all day to throw. and i dont think thats an indictment on the DL talent either..i think they just rushed 3 and dropped 8 and holes were always going to open in the coverage. Mac just wasnt aggressive enough

The main thing is if you drop 8, the DB's need to be tight up against the receivers and bump them off of their routes. You don't drop all 8 more than 8 yards off of the line of scrimmage.

Mac calls BS lol. 3rd and 15. Mac drops 8. all 20 yards deep. borderline prevent.
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(12-16-2021 10:01 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  The only people thinking Coach Silverfield is on a hot seat are the braindead that post on message boards or Facebook groups.

It isn't even that warm, much less hot.

It's warm.
Was never going to happen this year, unless something totally blewup.
But next year is a different story.
Notice there's been no customary contract extension - he's now inside that telltale 4-year window.

Norvell and Fuente neither got an extension every year.

It is slightly warmer than cool. Once again, 55th rated recruiting class, 3rd in the AAC. Second highest in Tiger history. We will see how the Bowl goes.

If we lose to Hawaii, leave Ruin there. They are godawful

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(12-16-2021 10:59 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Mac tried to take him to FIU to be his DC. He's a great recruiter and one of the up and coming defensive assistants in the country. He was literally the first coach Silverfield hired 2 years ago. I think it is very smart to make him interim DC and see how he does in the Hawaii Bowl - see if he can earn the job. Definitely didn't want to lose him.

How can he be a "great recruiter" if you are measuring by what we have in the secondary right now? To put it bluntly, our secondary sucks.

Our secondary has largely sucked for at least the last decade.

Including the Cotton Bowl season? You should root for Alabama then you would have plenty of reasons to carp about the head coach, the staff, and the team. Lord knows they couldn't live up to your standards.
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(12-16-2021 10:59 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Mac tried to take him to FIU to be his DC. He's a great recruiter and one of the up and coming defensive assistants in the country. He was literally the first coach Silverfield hired 2 years ago. I think it is very smart to make him interim DC and see how he does in the Hawaii Bowl - see if he can earn the job. Definitely didn't want to lose him.

How can he be a "great recruiter" if you are measuring by what we have in the secondary right now? To put it bluntly, our secondary sucks.

Our secondary has largely sucked for at least the last decade.

Quindell has been good. Francis has looked a lot better this year than we've seen before

Individual players look good on individual plays from time to time. That's why I said in an earlier post our secondary is filled with gifted athletes... D-1a level athletes. It's how they play as a group, and how they are coached to defend receiver routes that is poor. One of the most egregious errors I see over and over is a total lack of situational awareness.

The main reason for these defects is now a head coach down at fiu. Not our problem anymore.
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(12-27-2021 01:58 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  i think any secondary will look trash if the QB has all day to throw. and i dont think thats an indictment on the DL talent either..i think they just rushed 3 and dropped 8 and holes were always going to open in the coverage. Mac just wasnt aggressive enough

Thank Greyhound he is gone.
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https://dailymemphian.com/section/sports...oordinator

Matt Barnes— secondary coach for Ohio Stere who took over DC responsibilities mid season. Seems like a good hire
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I definitely expected it to be an internal hire but Barnes seems to be the target. Isn't being retained by OSU. Seems his relationship with them has soured. Finishing out the bowl game
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(12-31-2021 10:18 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  I definitely expected it to be an internal hire but Barnes seems to be the target. Isn't being retained by OSU. Seems his relationship with them has soured. Finishing out the bowl game

Sounds like a good hire…. Perfect timing
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(12-23-2021 10:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(12-18-2021 12:45 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Another thread compares the "48 players" excuse (that was leaked from CRS) to our 2019 Cotton Bowl team. It shows we had 45ish players who started that year on the 2-deep who missed at least 1 game. And that was our best year ever. So the 48 stat without context is meaningless.

Funny that he was coaching during that "best year ever" and has said multiple times that he's never seen anything like this season. Also realize that in 2019, we had five games that were decided by one drive. We won 4 of them. In 2020 we had lost four of those games that were decided by one drive. That change would make this season 10-2 and that season could've ended 8-4. Of those 4 victories in 2019, 3 were done by special teams scores by players currently playing in the NFL.

Ok. Going by the 2020 Media guide.
Offense - QB played every game. RB - 1 injury, 2 players started every game. WR/TB - 2 players, Gibson/Gainwell switched Neither missed a game. WR - 1 every game, WR/TE 3 players (1 because of injury). OL same starters every game except bowl game. So that's 4 players out due to injury at all. (2 were all season other than the bowl game, Dill wasn't because of injury)
Defense - NT/DE/DT 1 game missed by injury. LB - 3 players missed games due to injury. DBs - 2 players missed due to injury.
Special Teams - Kicker, Punter, Long Snapper and Holder played all 14 games.

So, of the 26 starters 9 players missed because of injury. 1 was suspended. 3 of those were either the last game of the season or the bowl game.
Unless 35 players in the second string were injured and missed a game, there is no possible way 45 players missed a game because of injury.
This is page 142 of the 2020 Media Guide in case anyone wants to check.

Well, why would CRS exaggerate injuries this year? Hmmm, I have no idea.

The thread clearly laid out all the injuries from 2019. If I saved my spreadsheet, I'll lay it out again in a few days. But I'm not going to go back and find the thread. It was here for all to read.

I just reported all the injuries of starters in 2019. I know that we weren't as deep and didn't have rotations like we did this year. But it reports exactly that of our 28 starters (11 offense, 11 defense and 4 Special Teams), 14 of them started every single game. 5 other starters only missed 1 game. 3 more missed less than 3. 2 positions had 4 players that rotated based on opponent, which leaves 2 positions that missed more than 3 games. That was RB, Patrick Taylor Jr missed most of the season replaced by Gainwell and Blake had to be replaced by Q Johnson for 4 games.

You can send it in a PM or link the thread, but I am going by the media guide that says who started every game. If you scroll down the next few pages in the media guide, it says who played, but it doesn't indicate injury.

The discussion was about the 2-deep. It's the only thing remotely comparable to the "missing 47 guys" line from this year. The line was actually "47 players missed time this year due to injury - 22 from the game one 2-Deep".

I did keep my spreadsheet. Of the guys who entered the season on the 2-deep in 2019, the following missed at least 1 game. (I quit counting after 1 game, because I was simply trying to benchmark to this years "missing 22" comment. And that number doesn't have any context to the number of games - it's just headcount.)

Adair
Augustus
Austin
Blake
Broussard
Clark
Claybrooks
Cullens
Cunningham
Daniel
Ducksworth
Dykes
Fields
Gonzalez
Goodson
Hall
Jones, P
Jones, T
Mashburn
Perry
Taylor
Williams, J

That's 22 guys from 2019 opening day 2-deep who missed at least 1 game. The exact same number as reported this year. It provides some context.

Now if you want to count games, or compare actual day 1 starters, that's a different data set. (There is no real way to compare to the "missing 47" from this year. Silverfield doesn't release injury info, so we have to take his word for it. And you never really know who is "unavailable".)

All this to say - missing 22 from the 2-deep sounds terrible. In fact, it seems like it might be pretty common. So come up with a new excuse.

I have programs from the 2019 season and you can do the digital programs from this year. Your numbers are not correct. Not to mention, you can EASILY look up the info on the Memphis Online Media Guide. I even quoted you the exact page it was. There were 9 starters that missed a game or more, 1 was suspended. Now when you get into the two deep, missing games isn't always because of injury. Gibson working his way into starter was talent, not solely on injury. Our starting OL in 2019 was intact every game of the year until the Cotton Bowl.
Our DL was intact other than one injury for every game of the year in 2019 as well.

You can compare that to this season, where 7 players on the OL 2 deep and 5 players from the DL 2 deep missed at least one game (that is 12 of 18 players). I would say other than QB, that goes heavily into determining the season. Oh yeah, on our starting two deep at QB, both missed games. RB - 5 players missed games, WR 3 players missed at least 1 game, TE 1 player. LB - 4 players missed and DB - 3 players missed games. By my count that's 30, oh yeah forgot kicker. That doesn't include anyone that wasn't listed in the two deep on the first program of the year.
But, why let things like facts get in the way.
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(12-31-2021 10:18 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  I definitely expected it to be an internal hire but Barnes seems to be the target. Isn't being retained by OSU. Seems his relationship with them has soured. Finishing out the bowl game

Gotta ask yourself, why did it sour. The defense was much better the second half of the season than the first... well, until the last two games.

I would still say it looks like a very good hire on paper.
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(01-02-2022 02:50 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(12-23-2021 10:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-23-2021 02:26 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  
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(12-20-2021 08:03 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  Funny that he was coaching during that "best year ever" and has said multiple times that he's never seen anything like this season. Also realize that in 2019, we had five games that were decided by one drive. We won 4 of them. In 2020 we had lost four of those games that were decided by one drive. That change would make this season 10-2 and that season could've ended 8-4. Of those 4 victories in 2019, 3 were done by special teams scores by players currently playing in the NFL.

Ok. Going by the 2020 Media guide.
Offense - QB played every game. RB - 1 injury, 2 players started every game. WR/TB - 2 players, Gibson/Gainwell switched Neither missed a game. WR - 1 every game, WR/TE 3 players (1 because of injury). OL same starters every game except bowl game. So that's 4 players out due to injury at all. (2 were all season other than the bowl game, Dill wasn't because of injury)
Defense - NT/DE/DT 1 game missed by injury. LB - 3 players missed games due to injury. DBs - 2 players missed due to injury.
Special Teams - Kicker, Punter, Long Snapper and Holder played all 14 games.

So, of the 26 starters 9 players missed because of injury. 1 was suspended. 3 of those were either the last game of the season or the bowl game.
Unless 35 players in the second string were injured and missed a game, there is no possible way 45 players missed a game because of injury.
This is page 142 of the 2020 Media Guide in case anyone wants to check.

Well, why would CRS exaggerate injuries this year? Hmmm, I have no idea.

The thread clearly laid out all the injuries from 2019. If I saved my spreadsheet, I'll lay it out again in a few days. But I'm not going to go back and find the thread. It was here for all to read.

I just reported all the injuries of starters in 2019. I know that we weren't as deep and didn't have rotations like we did this year. But it reports exactly that of our 28 starters (11 offense, 11 defense and 4 Special Teams), 14 of them started every single game. 5 other starters only missed 1 game. 3 more missed less than 3. 2 positions had 4 players that rotated based on opponent, which leaves 2 positions that missed more than 3 games. That was RB, Patrick Taylor Jr missed most of the season replaced by Gainwell and Blake had to be replaced by Q Johnson for 4 games.

You can send it in a PM or link the thread, but I am going by the media guide that says who started every game. If you scroll down the next few pages in the media guide, it says who played, but it doesn't indicate injury.

The discussion was about the 2-deep. It's the only thing remotely comparable to the "missing 47 guys" line from this year. The line was actually "47 players missed time this year due to injury - 22 from the game one 2-Deep".

I did keep my spreadsheet. Of the guys who entered the season on the 2-deep in 2019, the following missed at least 1 game. (I quit counting after 1 game, because I was simply trying to benchmark to this years "missing 22" comment. And that number doesn't have any context to the number of games - it's just headcount.)

Adair
Augustus
Austin
Blake
Broussard
Clark
Claybrooks
Cullens
Cunningham
Daniel
Ducksworth
Dykes
Fields
Gonzalez
Goodson
Hall
Jones, P
Jones, T
Mashburn
Perry
Taylor
Williams, J

That's 22 guys from 2019 opening day 2-deep who missed at least 1 game. The exact same number as reported this year. It provides some context.

Now if you want to count games, or compare actual day 1 starters, that's a different data set. (There is no real way to compare to the "missing 47" from this year. Silverfield doesn't release injury info, so we have to take his word for it. And you never really know who is "unavailable".)

All this to say - missing 22 from the 2-deep sounds terrible. In fact, it seems like it might be pretty common. So come up with a new excuse.

I have programs from the 2019 season and you can do the digital programs from this year. Your numbers are not correct. Not to mention, you can EASILY look up the info on the Memphis Online Media Guide. I even quoted you the exact page it was. There were 9 starters that missed a game or more, 1 was suspended. Now when you get into the two deep, missing games isn't always because of injury. Gibson working his way into starter was talent, not solely on injury. Our starting OL in 2019 was intact every game of the year until the Cotton Bowl.
Our DL was intact other than one injury for every game of the year in 2019 as well.

You can compare that to this season, where 7 players on the OL 2 deep and 5 players from the DL 2 deep missed at least one game (that is 12 of 18 players). I would say other than QB, that goes heavily into determining the season. Oh yeah, on our starting two deep at QB, both missed games. RB - 5 players missed games, WR 3 players missed at least 1 game, TE 1 player. LB - 4 players missed and DB - 3 players missed games. By my count that's 30, oh yeah forgot kicker. That doesn't include anyone that wasn't listed in the two deep on the first program of the year.
But, why let things like facts get in the way.

The discussion from that thread was the 2-deep. As in, "Silverfield has had 22 guys from the opening day 2-deep unavailable at times this year." And it was used as an excuse like that was unprecedented.

My list is factual and totals up to 22. Look at the 2019 opening day 2-deep and look on the GTG website listing of players participating by game. Then tell me which of these 22 players played all season or were not on the opening day 2-deep.

Now there are other twists on this. "Silverfield has missed 47 guys this year." There is no way to compare that. CRS doesn't release player injuries. So we have to take his word. And it's impossible to go back and see how many total guys were injured/unavailable from prior years.

This all started as a benchmarking exercise. People repeat the excuses, but are not providing any context to other seasons.
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It is a good hire.
I'm surprised he was able to get someone externally that strong.
And seems like some of Silverfield's biggest supporters were selling him short too.
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(12-31-2021 10:18 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  I definitely expected it to be an internal hire but Barnes seems to be the target. Isn't being retained by OSU. Seems his relationship with them has soured. Finishing out the bowl game

Gotta ask yourself, why did it sour. The defense was much better the second half of the season than the first... well, until the last two games.

I would still say it looks like a very good hire on paper.

he was in charge of the calls from the 3rd game on. Their run defense was great. they have a couple pro prospects up there that for sure helps out, but Barnes was also their secondary coach--which their pass defense wasnt very good. a few spots higher than Memphis. I have no clue if Barnes will be good or not. we have no clue what formation he will run either
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(01-02-2022 11:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  It is a good hire.
I'm surprised he was able to get someone externally that strong.
And seems like some of Silverfield's biggest supporters were selling him short too.

he wasnt being retained by the new DC
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(01-02-2022 11:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The discussion from that thread was the 2-deep. As in, "Silverfield has had 22 guys from the opening day 2-deep unavailable at times this year." And it was used as an excuse like that was unprecedented.

My list is factual and totals up to 22. Look at the 2019 opening day 2-deep and look on the GTG website listing of players participating by game. Then tell me which of these 22 players played all season or were not on the opening day 2-deep.

Now there are other twists on this. "Silverfield has missed 47 guys this year." There is no way to compare that. CRS doesn't release player injuries. So we have to take his word. And it's impossible to go back and see how many total guys were injured/unavailable from prior years.

This all started as a benchmarking exercise. People repeat the excuses, but are not providing any context to other seasons.

I went by the Media Guide. Quoted you the exact page it was located on. I told you by player which player played every game. If I need to break it down even further, I will gladly do so. I also showed that 30 players listed in the Arkansas State program two deep missed games.

The opening day two deep is a pretty thin list to base your theory upon. There were at least 3 OL that were replaced during the season that had nothing to do with injuries. The media guide only says who played in which games, it doesn't list injuries.

But lets play simple math. Which is greater 30 or 22? Which is bigger 19 or 9?
The first number in each is 2022, while the second is 2019. The first group is two deep that missed, while the second is listed starters. So, 8 more on the two deep and 10 more starters in 2022, that doesn't sound like small numbers to me.
This seems like a MUCH bigger benchmark and not just a trivial thing that some are making it out to be. When you miss almost every single starter on offense or defense for at least a game, that's a big deal. There was half that in 2019. 4 of those 9 were in the last three games of the year.
Even if you can find some way to justify that those numbers balance out... Having a fourth year QB running the offense verses a true freshman should be obvious that the injuries in 2021 were magnified over those in 2019.
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Everything you posted there makes sense... until to actually remember watching the games and seeing CRS take his foot off the gas way too early by way of play-calling and playing prevent defense. It lost us 2 games I know of for sure, and damn-near lost us the game against stAte. Using player personnel shortages as an argument against us criticizing the coaching and game plan doesn't wash. I saw the stupid decisions with my own eyes.
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