Tiger87
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RE: Interim DC: Charles Clark
(01-02-2022 02:50 PM)MvETigers Wrote: (12-23-2021 10:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (12-23-2021 02:26 AM)MvETigers Wrote: (12-21-2021 06:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (12-20-2021 08:03 PM)MvETigers Wrote: Funny that he was coaching during that "best year ever" and has said multiple times that he's never seen anything like this season. Also realize that in 2019, we had five games that were decided by one drive. We won 4 of them. In 2020 we had lost four of those games that were decided by one drive. That change would make this season 10-2 and that season could've ended 8-4. Of those 4 victories in 2019, 3 were done by special teams scores by players currently playing in the NFL.
Ok. Going by the 2020 Media guide.
Offense - QB played every game. RB - 1 injury, 2 players started every game. WR/TB - 2 players, Gibson/Gainwell switched Neither missed a game. WR - 1 every game, WR/TE 3 players (1 because of injury). OL same starters every game except bowl game. So that's 4 players out due to injury at all. (2 were all season other than the bowl game, Dill wasn't because of injury)
Defense - NT/DE/DT 1 game missed by injury. LB - 3 players missed games due to injury. DBs - 2 players missed due to injury.
Special Teams - Kicker, Punter, Long Snapper and Holder played all 14 games.
So, of the 26 starters 9 players missed because of injury. 1 was suspended. 3 of those were either the last game of the season or the bowl game.
Unless 35 players in the second string were injured and missed a game, there is no possible way 45 players missed a game because of injury.
This is page 142 of the 2020 Media Guide in case anyone wants to check.
Well, why would CRS exaggerate injuries this year? Hmmm, I have no idea.
The thread clearly laid out all the injuries from 2019. If I saved my spreadsheet, I'll lay it out again in a few days. But I'm not going to go back and find the thread. It was here for all to read.
I just reported all the injuries of starters in 2019. I know that we weren't as deep and didn't have rotations like we did this year. But it reports exactly that of our 28 starters (11 offense, 11 defense and 4 Special Teams), 14 of them started every single game. 5 other starters only missed 1 game. 3 more missed less than 3. 2 positions had 4 players that rotated based on opponent, which leaves 2 positions that missed more than 3 games. That was RB, Patrick Taylor Jr missed most of the season replaced by Gainwell and Blake had to be replaced by Q Johnson for 4 games.
You can send it in a PM or link the thread, but I am going by the media guide that says who started every game. If you scroll down the next few pages in the media guide, it says who played, but it doesn't indicate injury.
The discussion was about the 2-deep. It's the only thing remotely comparable to the "missing 47 guys" line from this year. The line was actually "47 players missed time this year due to injury - 22 from the game one 2-Deep".
I did keep my spreadsheet. Of the guys who entered the season on the 2-deep in 2019, the following missed at least 1 game. (I quit counting after 1 game, because I was simply trying to benchmark to this years "missing 22" comment. And that number doesn't have any context to the number of games - it's just headcount.)
Adair
Augustus
Austin
Blake
Broussard
Clark
Claybrooks
Cullens
Cunningham
Daniel
Ducksworth
Dykes
Fields
Gonzalez
Goodson
Hall
Jones, P
Jones, T
Mashburn
Perry
Taylor
Williams, J
That's 22 guys from 2019 opening day 2-deep who missed at least 1 game. The exact same number as reported this year. It provides some context.
Now if you want to count games, or compare actual day 1 starters, that's a different data set. (There is no real way to compare to the "missing 47" from this year. Silverfield doesn't release injury info, so we have to take his word for it. And you never really know who is "unavailable".)
All this to say - missing 22 from the 2-deep sounds terrible. In fact, it seems like it might be pretty common. So come up with a new excuse.
I have programs from the 2019 season and you can do the digital programs from this year. Your numbers are not correct. Not to mention, you can EASILY look up the info on the Memphis Online Media Guide. I even quoted you the exact page it was. There were 9 starters that missed a game or more, 1 was suspended. Now when you get into the two deep, missing games isn't always because of injury. Gibson working his way into starter was talent, not solely on injury. Our starting OL in 2019 was intact every game of the year until the Cotton Bowl.
Our DL was intact other than one injury for every game of the year in 2019 as well.
You can compare that to this season, where 7 players on the OL 2 deep and 5 players from the DL 2 deep missed at least one game (that is 12 of 18 players). I would say other than QB, that goes heavily into determining the season. Oh yeah, on our starting two deep at QB, both missed games. RB - 5 players missed games, WR 3 players missed at least 1 game, TE 1 player. LB - 4 players missed and DB - 3 players missed games. By my count that's 30, oh yeah forgot kicker. That doesn't include anyone that wasn't listed in the two deep on the first program of the year.
But, why let things like facts get in the way.
The discussion from that thread was the 2-deep. As in, "Silverfield has had 22 guys from the opening day 2-deep unavailable at times this year." And it was used as an excuse like that was unprecedented.
My list is factual and totals up to 22. Look at the 2019 opening day 2-deep and look on the GTG website listing of players participating by game. Then tell me which of these 22 players played all season or were not on the opening day 2-deep.
Now there are other twists on this. "Silverfield has missed 47 guys this year." There is no way to compare that. CRS doesn't release player injuries. So we have to take his word. And it's impossible to go back and see how many total guys were injured/unavailable from prior years.
This all started as a benchmarking exercise. People repeat the excuses, but are not providing any context to other seasons.
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