(12-18-2021 02:43 PM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  This thought just popped into my head, did we even get a sack last night?

Yes.

See box score.

If we could only play a decent 1st half against these guys. Last 3 games we righted ourselves in the 2nd half vs NDSU, but were always battling from behind due to lousy play in the first half.
2017: 7-0 JMU
2019: 10-7 JMU
2021: 14-7 JMU

(12-18-2021 01:14 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Significant clock error goes unnoticed in NDSU's playoff win over JMU
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-AARWNVE

There was no timeout called, no commercial break and nothing else of note. Just 28 seconds somehow vanishing off the clock with NDSU, JMU and the game officials none the wiser.

This. Does Cig not have someone responsible to watch the clock. If not he needs to hire a clock manager for many reasons.

(12-18-2021 07:24 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 01:14 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Significant clock error goes unnoticed in NDSU's playoff win over JMU
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-AARWNVE

There was no timeout called, no commercial break and nothing else of note. Just 28 seconds somehow vanishing off the clock with NDSU, JMU and the game officials none the wiser.

This. Does Cig not have someone responsible to watch the clock. If not he needs to hire a clock manager for many reasons.

I’m so confused how this is humanly possible that none of the coaches, staff etc on the JMU side would miss something so significant and at such a critical time in a game like this. It’s borderline negligence if true.

It was very noticed by JMU and the coaching staff.

Cig showed some improvement in the run defense over the 2019 title game vs ND State.
In 2019 he refused to put big lineups in and kept the 4-2-5 all game against power blocking. And got mauled with the Bison only having to throw 10 times all game.

This year he beefed up on 18 of the 62 Bison snaps.
13 snaps were 5 D-lineman and 5 snaps were the Wide Tackle 6 D-lineman. About half of those beefy lineups also had 3 LB’s and fewer DB’s.

I’m not sure why he didn’t go with it more because it was very effective. Only one of the chunk running plays in the game was against a 5 D-linemen alignment. When JMU went back to the 4-2-5 they just couldn’t sustain against 7 and 8 blockers. The bad thing is they also couldn’t cover the FB out of the backfield in the 4-2-5. So they were giving up chunk runs and giving up passes in the base 4-2-5.

Wow what a game last night. You're all rightfully disappointed but you have an amazing team and have every reason to be proud of them. Most teams would've folded like a cheap tent after the PI at the end of the 1st half and would've given up a TD to go down 17-0. I was very impressed your D dug in and held us to a FG, and it made me very anxious also because I knew it would come back and bite us and it almost did. Doesn't seem like much but being down 13-0 there is way different than being down 17-0. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't having serious doubts after you went ahead a point, and again when you drove inside the 10 before one of the most amazing INT's I've seen saved our season.

While I wish you guys would stick around in FCS (at least until we find an opportunity to move up ourselves) I want to wish you guys luck in the Sunbelt. I think you'll be able to find success similar to what App State, CC, and Georgia Southern have found. Maybe now you can try and talk your AD into paying us to come to Bridgeforth!

Made the trip to Fargo and extremely grateful I was able to. The weather getting from Minneapolis didn’t cooperate, and allow for tailgate time, but it made for a heck of a scene outside the dome upon arriving. It was 5° with windchill, 2-4” of snow on the ground and more of it falling, and you’d never know it based on the setups in the lot. What an environment NDSU has there. We’ve said it before, and I’ll said it again, the folks in green and gold are some of the nicest there are. You want to hate your opponent's fans but they make it impossible. So many well wishes and good lucks in the SBC on the way out the door. Tough loss to take but the fact we made it close, and even had a lead, after that first half is incredible. We played some of our worst football and we were right there in the end. Can’t wait for the next level and the trips in the future. Exciting times ahead for the program and the school.

(12-18-2021 08:53 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  It was very noticed by JMU and the coaching staff.

I wonder if your staff noticed The center holding the ball for 5 seconds after the play clock hit zero.

Do you think they noticed that?

(12-19-2021 05:05 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 08:53 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  It was very noticed by JMU and the coaching staff.

I wonder if your staff noticed The center holding the ball for 5 seconds after the play clock hit zero.

Do you think they noticed that?

Yeah, but knowing your timekeeper, it probably started at 12 seconds, so there's that.

(12-19-2021 05:40 PM)purplesanman Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 05:05 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  

(12-18-2021 08:53 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  It was very noticed by JMU and the coaching staff.

I wonder if your staff noticed The center holding the ball for 5 seconds after the play clock hit zero.

Do you think they noticed that?

Yeah, but knowing your timekeeper, it probably started at 12 seconds, so there's that.

So how about we call the timekeeping a wash, and you guys just admit you got beat by a better team playing at home?

We already did. Doesn’t change the fact that the game was shortened by 28 seconds due to incompetence.

So on that note, go back to the kiddie table.

(12-19-2021 07:21 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  We already did. Doesn’t change the fact that the game was shortened by 28 seconds due to incompetence.

So on that note, go back to the kiddie table.

Correct, and a lot can happen in a football game in 28 seconds. With sound clock management (cue the Cig-haters), you can squeeze 4 to 7 plays out of that.

(12-19-2021 07:21 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  We already did. Doesn’t change the fact that the game was shortened by 28 seconds due to incompetence.

So on that note, go back to the kiddie table.

Yes, and if the timekeeper had been competent you would have had another 5 yards to traverse.

Or when the timekeeper ****** up on our 2 point attempt, we might have had another point, and been up 7 instead of 6.

You got beat. Excuses are pathetic.

(12-19-2021 09:45 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 07:21 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  We already did. Doesn’t change the fact that the game was shortened by 28 seconds due to incompetence.

So on that note, go back to the kiddie table.

Yes, and if the timekeeper had been competent you would have had another 5 yards to traverse.

Or when the timekeeper ****** up on our 2 point attempt, we might have had another point, and been up 7 instead of 6.

You got beat. Excuses are pathetic.

Yes we lost, time to move on. Don't you have another team to worry about for the next two weeks? Our focus is already shifting to the Sun Belt football, our brief playoff rivalry with you is now relegated to history. It was fun but time moves only forward.

I was just gonna say...is this still.going?

don't worry. after we boatrace MSU 31-10 JMU can claim #2.

I predicted 20-14 by the way for Friday.

(12-19-2021 09:45 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 07:21 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  We already did. Doesn’t change the fact that the game was shortened by 28 seconds due to incompetence.

So on that note, go back to the kiddie table.

Yes, and if the timekeeper had been competent you would have had another 5 yards to traverse.

Or when the timekeeper ****** up on our 2 point attempt, we might have had another point, and been up 7 instead of 6.

You got beat. Excuses are pathetic.

Sorry Scott, couldn’t hear you. The adults were talking.

What a great tailgate and game. I'd say I met about 10-20 JMU fans out at tailgate and a chunk of them spent the bulk of the time at our tailgate. Great people...I think every JMU fan I've met through the years has been a class act. We had a great time together and it is sad to see it end. I feel very fortunate to have you guys at home and not have to meet in Frisco. It isn't lost on any of us how good your team was and what it took to beat you. Good luck next year and the years to come in FBS...I'll keep an eye out for how you guys are doing...as long as you are not still on Flosports.

(12-19-2021 09:45 PM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 07:21 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  We already did. Doesn’t change the fact that the game was shortened by 28 seconds due to incompetence.

So on that note, go back to the kiddie table.

Yes, and if the timekeeper had been competent you would have had another 5 yards to traverse.

Or when the timekeeper ****** up on our 2 point attempt, we might have had another point, and been up 7 instead of 6.

You got beat. Excuses are pathetic.

100% agree. We lost. We had a chance to win and NDSU held up. Great game. I thought both teams played hard. Number 44 is one tough running back. Honestly, I thought Cole was going to hook up with a receiver and win the game in the last minute.

NDSU played better, and won. They don't beat themselves, and follow their formula to sustained success. If JMU executed on the plays that were there, the clock operator failures would not have mattered. Things happen, and breaks happen for some teams. Great teams should overcome them, JMU didn't.

I also fully acknowledge that you do not care about what I'll type out next, because it doesn't change the result, you will likely either just point to something else in the game and not acknowledge the items below, or insult the use of the 10 minutes of time I used to look these up.

With that said:

There was no error on NDSU's delay of game after the TD. The 40 second play clock started immediately after the TD, just as it did on NDSU's first TD, just like it did after both of JMU's TD. The other three occurrences, both teams were able to get the snap of well before the expiration of the play clock. Entz's indecisiveness, and inability to have a play ready cost NDSU, not the clock operator.

1st NDSU TD (you can see the play clock ticking down mid celebration): https://youtu.be/NFDtEeXqJ_o?t=800
1st JMU TD (play clock resets to 40 after TD, disappears for 25 seconds, comes back with 15 on the clock while JMU kicks): https://youtu.be/NFDtEeXqJ_o?t=3819
2nd JMU TD (same as above): https://youtu.be/NFDtEeXqJ_o?t=4964
2nd NDSU TD (same as 1st NDSU TD, they even reset it at 25 to give NDSU a few extra seconds): https://youtu.be/NFDtEeXqJ_o?t=5382


The non call on a JMU delay of game was because the operator didn't reset the play clock from the prior play. As you can see, the 3rd and 1, JMU snapped with :22 left on the play clock. After the first down, the clock should have reset to :40, but it stayed at :22. JMU didn't even huddle, and got the play off well before :40.

https://youtu.be/NFDtEeXqJ_o?t=5738

The :28 seconds JMU lost have been addressed earlier.

Again, things happen, and JMU could have overcome, but they didn't. Good luck vs. Montana St, and the future of the program.