(11-28-2021 11:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:48 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Winning does wonders for attendance. It's the only thing that matters.

It does for most fan bases but we couldn’t fill up for the conference championship… I do not know why people don’t show up. Maybe they are lots of bandwagon fans, could be that vols sucked and they wanted to watch a Good game.. could be they rather watch it from home

We had just beat the same Cincy team a week before in the same stadium. No excuse but that was a factor.

No doubt but the week before we had 36 k and 33k for the championship. Doesn’t make sense why fans don’t show up

(11-29-2021 07:22 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:48 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Winning does wonders for attendance. It's the only thing that matters.

It does for most fan bases but we couldn’t fill up for the conference championship… I do not know why people don’t show up. Maybe they are lots of bandwagon fans, could be that vols sucked and they wanted to watch a Good game.. could be they rather watch it from home

We had just beat the same Cincy team a week before in the same stadium. No excuse but that was a factor.

No doubt but the week before we had 36 k and 33k for the championship. Doesn’t make sense why fans don’t show up

Because our fanbase is only 30-40k in size… which is why a 60k seat stadium is far too big for our program. We have never average 60k… heck, we’ve never averaged 50k. The most I recall was an average of 43k in 2015. 30k fans in a 60k seat stadium feels like an empty stadium.

(11-29-2021 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 07:22 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:48 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Winning does wonders for attendance. It's the only thing that matters.

It does for most fan bases but we couldn’t fill up for the conference championship… I do not know why people don’t show up. Maybe they are lots of bandwagon fans, could be that vols sucked and they wanted to watch a Good game.. could be they rather watch it from home

We had just beat the same Cincy team a week before in the same stadium. No excuse but that was a factor.

No doubt but the week before we had 36 k and 33k for the championship. Doesn’t make sense why fans don’t show up

Because our fanbase is only 30-40k in size… which is why a 60k seat stadium is far too big for our program. We have never average 60k… heck, we’ve never averaged 50k. The most I recall was an average of 43k in 2015. 30k fans in a 60k seat stadium feels like an empty stadium.

And that's a concept that some just don't seem to be able to fathom....

Glad we won. Shoulda been a blowout win, but whatever. I am disappointed to hear Silverfield say things like "people want to see our program implode". What? Sure there are some here who do - maybe he reads this board - bless his heart. But "people" or the fanbase absolutely want to see this program back at the Norvell era level.

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

When the powers that be find the intestinal fortitude to make the right decision (firing [/u]Ruin) it will be 2 years too late. Hello rebuild into 2025.

We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.

Or for Fuente's last game here. Vs. SMU. Memphis was 8-3: 30,075.

But, sure, it's a "Silverfied" thing.

GTFOOH.

(11-28-2021 06:57 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

You think people not going to the games is because of the coach? LMFAO!!!

Maybe they don't like:

The loud arse noise they blare constantly during the game?

The drunks at the game and how the stadium personnel handle them?

The pain in the arse it is to park and walk to the game even with a parking pass?

I know this is keeping me and many others from attending the games in person.

None of these pertain to the coach.

Absolutely people do not go to games because of the coach. If fans are unhappy with the direction of the program, the only way to show their displeasure is by not buying tickets and vesting their own money in the program. We saw that exact scenario play out with both Pastner & Tubby - I believe the current trajectory we're on with Ruin, it will play out exactly the same, you can already see it this year. It will only worsen next year if he cannot get out of his own way with horrible in game decision making that added up quickly in the L column for us.

As far as the other list you provided, those are personal preferences of your own, maybe due to your age? I'm not using that in an insulting manner by any means, but loud music, drunk fans, parking issues, etc. are all hurdles every college fanbase navigates every weekend. Usually, at some point in life, everyone gets tired of dealing with those issues and chooses an alternative method to view the game.

I do believe Ruin not promoting the program, selling his vision for the program and engaging with the fanbase has drastically hindered the ability to get the casual fan to come to the Liberty Bowl like they did with Norvell. The energy is not there any more compared to how it was with Norvell, Ruin is a dud and we will slowly slip into mediocrity, unfortunately, with his Matt Luke similarities.

Bowl bound.

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 06:57 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

You think people not going to the games is because of the coach? LMFAO!!!

Maybe they don't like:

The loud arse noise they blare constantly during the game?

The drunks at the game and how the stadium personnel handle them?

The pain in the arse it is to park and walk to the game even with a parking pass?

I know this is keeping me and many others from attending the games in person.

None of these pertain to the coach.

Absolutely people do not go to games because of the coach. If fans are unhappy with the direction of the program, the only way to show their displeasure is by not buying tickets and vesting their own money in the program. We saw that exact scenario play out with both Pastner & Tubby - I believe the current trajectory we're on with Ruin, it will play out exactly the same, you can already see it this year. It will only worsen next year if he cannot get out of his own way with horrible in game decision making that added up quickly in the L column for us.

As far as the other list you provided, those are personal preferences of your own, maybe due to your age? I'm not using that in an insulting manner by any means, but loud music, drunk fans, parking issues, etc. are all hurdles every college fanbase navigates every weekend. Usually, at some point in life, everyone gets tired of dealing with those issues and chooses an alternative method to view the game.

I do believe Ruin not promoting the program, selling his vision for the program and engaging with the fanbase has drastically hindered the ability to get the casual fan to come to the Liberty Bowl like they did with Norvell. The energy is not there any more compared to how it was with Norvell, Ruin is a dud and we will slowly slip into mediocrity, unfortunately, with his Matt Luke similarities.

Are you a grown man having to do phony nicknames to try to make a point?

Good lord.

(11-29-2021 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 06:57 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

You think people not going to the games is because of the coach? LMFAO!!!

Maybe they don't like:

The loud arse noise they blare constantly during the game?

The drunks at the game and how the stadium personnel handle them?

The pain in the arse it is to park and walk to the game even with a parking pass?

I know this is keeping me and many others from attending the games in person.

None of these pertain to the coach.

Absolutely people do not go to games because of the coach. If fans are unhappy with the direction of the program, the only way to show their displeasure is by not buying tickets and vesting their own money in the program. We saw that exact scenario play out with both Pastner & Tubby - I believe the current trajectory we're on with Ruin, it will play out exactly the same, you can already see it this year. It will only worsen next year if he cannot get out of his own way with horrible in game decision making that added up quickly in the L column for us.

As far as the other list you provided, those are personal preferences of your own, maybe due to your age? I'm not using that in an insulting manner by any means, but loud music, drunk fans, parking issues, etc. are all hurdles every college fanbase navigates every weekend. Usually, at some point in life, everyone gets tired of dealing with those issues and chooses an alternative method to view the game.

I do believe Ruin not promoting the program, selling his vision for the program and engaging with the fanbase has drastically hindered the ability to get the casual fan to come to the Liberty Bowl like they did with Norvell. The energy is not there any more compared to how it was with Norvell, Ruin is a dud and we will slowly slip into mediocrity, unfortunately, with his Matt Luke similarities.

Are you a grown man having to do phony nicknames to try to make a point?

Good lord.

No, the definition literally goes hand in hand with what is occurring/will occur:

Ruin - the physical destruction or disintegration of something or the state of disintegrating or being destroyed. reduce (a building or place) to a state of decay, collapse, or disintegration.

Double entendre, in this case.

(11-29-2021 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 06:57 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

You think people not going to the games is because of the coach? LMFAO!!!

Maybe they don't like:

The loud arse noise they blare constantly during the game?

The drunks at the game and how the stadium personnel handle them?

The pain in the arse it is to park and walk to the game even with a parking pass?

I know this is keeping me and many others from attending the games in person.

None of these pertain to the coach.

Absolutely people do not go to games because of the coach. If fans are unhappy with the direction of the program, the only way to show their displeasure is by not buying tickets and vesting their own money in the program. We saw that exact scenario play out with both Pastner & Tubby - I believe the current trajectory we're on with Ruin, it will play out exactly the same, you can already see it this year. It will only worsen next year if he cannot get out of his own way with horrible in game decision making that added up quickly in the L column for us.

As far as the other list you provided, those are personal preferences of your own, maybe due to your age? I'm not using that in an insulting manner by any means, but loud music, drunk fans, parking issues, etc. are all hurdles every college fanbase navigates every weekend. Usually, at some point in life, everyone gets tired of dealing with those issues and chooses an alternative method to view the game.

I do believe Ruin not promoting the program, selling his vision for the program and engaging with the fanbase has drastically hindered the ability to get the casual fan to come to the Liberty Bowl like they did with Norvell. The energy is not there any more compared to how it was with Norvell, Ruin is a dud and we will slowly slip into mediocrity, unfortunately, with his Matt Luke similarities.

Are you a grown man having to do phony nicknames to try to make a point?

Good lord.

Yes saduki.

(11-29-2021 11:51 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 06:57 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

You think people not going to the games is because of the coach? LMFAO!!!

Maybe they don't like:

The loud arse noise they blare constantly during the game?

The drunks at the game and how the stadium personnel handle them?

The pain in the arse it is to park and walk to the game even with a parking pass?

I know this is keeping me and many others from attending the games in person.

None of these pertain to the coach.

Absolutely people do not go to games because of the coach. If fans are unhappy with the direction of the program, the only way to show their displeasure is by not buying tickets and vesting their own money in the program. We saw that exact scenario play out with both Pastner & Tubby - I believe the current trajectory we're on with Ruin, it will play out exactly the same, you can already see it this year. It will only worsen next year if he cannot get out of his own way with horrible in game decision making that added up quickly in the L column for us.

As far as the other list you provided, those are personal preferences of your own, maybe due to your age? I'm not using that in an insulting manner by any means, but loud music, drunk fans, parking issues, etc. are all hurdles every college fanbase navigates every weekend. Usually, at some point in life, everyone gets tired of dealing with those issues and chooses an alternative method to view the game.

I do believe Ruin not promoting the program, selling his vision for the program and engaging with the fanbase has drastically hindered the ability to get the casual fan to come to the Liberty Bowl like they did with Norvell. The energy is not there any more compared to how it was with Norvell, Ruin is a dud and we will slowly slip into mediocrity, unfortunately, with his Matt Luke similarities.

Are you a grown man having to do phony nicknames to try to make a point?

Good lord.

No, the definition literally goes hand in hand with what is occurring/will occur:

Ruin - the physical destruction or disintegration of something or the state of disintegrating or being destroyed. reduce (a building or place) to a state of decay, collapse, or disintegration.

Double entendre, in this case.

youre super fun at parties I bet.

(11-29-2021 12:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 06:57 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:03 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We beat a now 2-10 Tulane team, by 5 points, with a +4 turnover advantage and Ruin cries. If that doesn’t get the fan base excited for the future, I don’t know what will!

Tiger Lane has been a ghost town the past 4 home games, the guy is torpedoing the program and we’ll have an empty LB next season. It’s truly remarkable how disinterested he has made the fan base in less than 2 years. Tiger football used to be an exciting event, Norvell sold the City & Program, Ruin is in permanent hiding and has closed off the program.

You think people not going to the games is because of the coach? LMFAO!!!

Maybe they don't like:

The loud arse noise they blare constantly during the game?

The drunks at the game and how the stadium personnel handle them?

The pain in the arse it is to park and walk to the game even with a parking pass?

I know this is keeping me and many others from attending the games in person.

None of these pertain to the coach.

Absolutely people do not go to games because of the coach. If fans are unhappy with the direction of the program, the only way to show their displeasure is by not buying tickets and vesting their own money in the program. We saw that exact scenario play out with both Pastner & Tubby - I believe the current trajectory we're on with Ruin, it will play out exactly the same, you can already see it this year. It will only worsen next year if he cannot get out of his own way with horrible in game decision making that added up quickly in the L column for us.

As far as the other list you provided, those are personal preferences of your own, maybe due to your age? I'm not using that in an insulting manner by any means, but loud music, drunk fans, parking issues, etc. are all hurdles every college fanbase navigates every weekend. Usually, at some point in life, everyone gets tired of dealing with those issues and chooses an alternative method to view the game.

I do believe Ruin not promoting the program, selling his vision for the program and engaging with the fanbase has drastically hindered the ability to get the casual fan to come to the Liberty Bowl like they did with Norvell. The energy is not there any more compared to how it was with Norvell, Ruin is a dud and we will slowly slip into mediocrity, unfortunately, with his Matt Luke similarities.

Are you a grown man having to do phony nicknames to try to make a point?

Good lord.

Yes saduki.

C'mon is Salsucki.

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
...

I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

Is it any wonder? We still have "fans" that are pissed off about last year's helmet stickers. What more can I say....

(11-29-2021 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
...

I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

You an "call it" but if you went to those games, you would see it.

It was evident at the Cinci games how crappy the crowds were.

The UCF game...my group had free run of our area.

The UH game to clinch...pitiful attendance.

And I didn't even bring up the Tulane game from October 2017 when 17,589 were there because it was....COLD.

Go to 2:18 to see the massive crowd for the Tulsa game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BbPJwb8OZY

(11-29-2021 01:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
...

I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

You an "call it" but if you went to those games, you would see it.

I did. I stand by my statement.

(11-29-2021 01:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
...

I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

You an "call it" but if you went to those games, you would see it.

It was evident at the Cinci games how crappy the crowds were.

The UCF game...my group have free run of our area.

The UH game to clinch...pitiful attendance.

And I didn't even bring up the Tulane game from October 2017 when 17,589 were there because it was....COLD.

We definitely like to use attendance numbers to suit the narrative. Back then, we complained they were underreported because of scanners and lazy employees. Now we're comparing these "lower" numbers to inflated 100% accurate attendance for Ruin. Since you're a facts guy, here's a few you left out comparing apples/apples:

UCF Game - rained all day off & on and the entire 2H, having 37k there in those "conditions" for our fanbase is pretty admirable. We blew the game due to fumbles/weather, hey look even Norvell blew a big lead!

Houston - that was an AM kick the morning after Thanksgiving, not really comparable to the narrative you're trying to create

Cinci - the last regular season game was way more than half full, I think that number was underreported from seeing the crowd in person. I will give you credit on the AAC Title game, it was disheartening to see a thinner crowd for that one. However, people had to go the extra mile to get tickets and you were displaced from your regular seats.

Fuente/SMU Game - in the 1Q of that game ESPN broke the news of him accepting the VT job. I would say a portion of the fanbase wasn't going the extra mile to run to that game with how horrid SMU was and watch us have a 56 point lead at halftime. Even reporting 30k with all of those factors compared to < 30k with Ruin in his finale is pretty embarrassing for the current coach, based on one departing and an early morning kickoff having a larger attendance number (that remember, we always underreported).

(11-29-2021 01:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
...

I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

You an "call it" but if you went to those games, you would see it.

I did. I stand by my statement.

Ok, but the beauty of youtube is that you can see the crowd in those games.

And...even if you WANT to quibble over 2 or 3k extra, the point remains, these late November games---regardless of who is coaching, get crap attendance.

Memphis has a core base of 20-24k. Everything beyond that is made up of casuals who go depending on weather, other plans, and whether Memphis won the previous game.

I'd be willing to bet, had the Tulsa kicker made that gimme FG in 2019, the SMU game would have had 30k tops. Tops.

(11-29-2021 01:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
...

I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

You an "call it" but if you went to those games, you would see it.

I did. I stand by my statement.

Ok, but the beauty of youtube is that you can see the crowd in those games.

And...even if you WANT to quibble over 2 or 3k extra, the point remains, these late November games---regardless of who is coaching, get crap attendance.

Memphis has a core base of 20-24k. Everything beyond that is made up of casuals who go depending on weather, other plans, and whether Memphis won the previous game.

I'd be willing to bet, had the Tulsa kicker made that gimme FG in 2019, the SMU game would have had 30k tops. Tops.

Look, I've lost the whole point of this thread/line of discussion. I don't know what whomever is trying to prove about what. Ruin can't draw a crowd? Or is it that Covid has scared people away for the time being... I don't know.

But you know as well as I, you don't get a sense of the crowd size by looking at TV broadcasts because no cameras ever show the West side. If the East side is half full, and that makes it look pitiful, you could still have 45k in the house. Because that's where the vast majority of the season ticket holders sit. As you said, you have to BE THERE to really know, and I was. I don't care whose point it proves, those last 2 games against Cindy were better attended than the numbers reported.

(11-29-2021 01:41 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 01:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ...
We can go back to the glory days of 2019 where FOR A GAME TO CLINCH HOME FIELD IN THE AAC TITLE GAME we drew 36,000 and the next week, with the Cotton Bowl on the line, we drew 33,008.

Or in 2018, vs. a top 10 ranked UCF team on an ridiculous winning streak, 37k came out to play. Then that same year, the final two home games (vs. Tulsa and UH) drew the same number (27k) as this past Saturday's game.
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I'm calling bull5hit on these stats. I recall very clearly EVERYBODY being pissed at the University for under-reporting attendance during that stretch. May theories abounded as to the purpose of such action, but the fact remains, we all knew those figures were bogus. Everybody here had a story of their tickets not being scanned, or someone in front of them not being scanned.

You an "call it" but if you went to those games, you would see it.

It was evident at the Cinci games how crappy the crowds were.

The UCF game...my group have free run of our area.

The UH game to clinch...pitiful attendance.

And I didn't even bring up the Tulane game from October 2017 when 17,589 were there because it was....COLD.

We definitely like to use attendance numbers to suit the narrative. Back then, we complained they were underreported because of scanners and lazy employees. Now we're comparing these "lower" numbers to inflated 100% accurate attendance for Ruin. Since you're a facts guy, here's a few you left out comparing apples/apples:

UCF Game - rained all day off & on and the entire 2H, having 37k there in those "conditions" for our fanbase is pretty admirable. We blew the game due to fumbles/weather, hey look even Norvell blew a big lead!

Houston - that was an AM kick the morning after Thanksgiving, not really comparable to the narrative you're trying to create

Cinci - the last regular season game was way more than half full, I think that number was underreported from seeing the crowd in person. I will give you credit on the AAC Title game, it was disheartening to see a thinner crowd for that one. However, people had to go the extra mile to get tickets and you were displaced from your regular seats.

Fuente/SMU Game - in the 1Q of that game ESPN broke the news of him accepting the VT job. I would say a portion of the fanbase wasn't going the extra mile to run to that game with how horrid SMU was and watch us have a 56 point lead at halftime. Even reporting 30k with all of those factors compared to < 30k with Ruin in his finale is pretty embarrassing for the current coach, based on one departing and an early morning kickoff having a larger attendance number (that remember, we always underreported).

Okey dokey...you've got a bag of excuses for every one of these games.

Memphis crowds are 100% dependent on two things:

1) weather
2) whether the team has a winning record

And weather is the main driver.

And November crowds are consistently worse than September crowds REGARDLESS of success.