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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 01:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 01:10 PM)82hawk Wrote:  After watching CofC play UNC last night I have to believe CofC has its' eyes set on the A10. They are in a big market, nice facilities and have been in contention in the CAA since day one. As much as i'd like to see UNCW on that path, I just don't think we're there. But I do think CofC is.

Which brings me back to my original point when we sired Siddle. How come hiring a guy like CoC hired is not an option for us? And FYI the Market size isn't much different in Wilm vs. Charleston. It's the 120's vs. 150ish, that's splitting hairs. But, they do have nice facilities, and, have access to a decent larger venue in Charleston to play in/host tourney's etc. That is something we know Wilm doesn't have, and it's certainly an advantage. I felt like it was a nice arena when i went to the Ship there in KK last year.
Charleston metro is about 800K and Wilmington metro is not close to that -maybe 350K .
Nope
Charleston/Metro population
208,089
US: 213th

Wilmington/Metro
282,573
US: 167th
per 2021 census.

That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.
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UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 03:51 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 03:38 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  I don't think money is the only answer there. CofC has been showing consistent, sustained success while in the CAA. That's something we haven't done since they're arrival. With that sustained success comes more fan support, and ultimately more money to the program. We've had that, but in short spurts and then muted out by poor follow-on decisions.

Define success. One CAA championship and NCAA tournament birth and one NIT birth. They were consistently above average, but they haven't dominated the league or anything.


They might not have won it every year but they were constantly competing for it.

Like others have said. We can’t maintain consistency, and I’m not sold that Siddle could maintain anything from Keatts the way he is currently coaching. Sorry, I’m just not buying it yet. There’s plenty of time for him to prove me wrong, and I certainly hope he does.

In addition to not being able to link quality coaches together to maintain success, we have not shown any kind of ability to keep a successful coach. That is due to a couple things. It was personality conflicts for Brownell, and Keatts was chasing money. At some point, we have to figure out how to keep a successful coach once we land one.


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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 01:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Which brings me back to my original point when we sired Siddle. How come hiring a guy like CoC hired is not an option for us? And FYI the Market size isn't much different in Wilm vs. Charleston. It's the 120's vs. 150ish, that's splitting hairs. But, they do have nice facilities, and, have access to a decent larger venue in Charleston to play in/host tourney's etc. That is something we know Wilm doesn't have, and it's certainly an advantage. I felt like it was a nice arena when i went to the Ship there in KK last year.
Charleston metro is about 800K and Wilmington metro is not close to that -maybe 350K .
Nope
Charleston/Metro population
208,089
US: 213th

Wilmington/Metro
282,573
US: 167th
per 2021 census.

That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Charleston metro is about 800K and Wilmington metro is not close to that -maybe 350K .
Nope
Charleston/Metro population
208,089
US: 213th

Wilmington/Metro
282,573
US: 167th
per 2021 census.

That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Nope
Charleston/Metro population
208,089
US: 213th

Wilmington/Metro
282,573
US: 167th
per 2021 census.

That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.


FYI, these aren't my designations these are MSA's used by decision makers.
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 02:25 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Nope
Charleston/Metro population
208,089
US: 213th

Wilmington/Metro
282,573
US: 167th
per 2021 census.

That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
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(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 04:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  That’s just not the case-better do a little more digging.
LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
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Charleston businesses and alums definitely do a better job of supporting CofC than Wilmington and UNCW alums do here, that’s for sure.
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(11-18-2021 08:27 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Charleston businesses and alums definitely do a better job of supporting CofC than Wilmington and UNCW alums do here, that’s for sure.
Wouldn't debate that at all. Small sample size but, My wife has a pretty big alum friend circle and almost none of them pay any attention to what happens at UNCW now.
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-17-2021 05:46 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 03:51 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 03:38 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  I don't think money is the only answer there. CofC has been showing consistent, sustained success while in the CAA. That's something we haven't done since they're arrival. With that sustained success comes more fan support, and ultimately more money to the program. We've had that, but in short spurts and then muted out by poor follow-on decisions.

Define success. One CAA championship and NCAA tournament birth and one NIT birth. They were consistently above average, but they haven't dominated the league or anything.


They might not have won it every year but they were constantly competing for it.

Like others have said. We can’t maintain consistency, and I’m not sold that Siddle could maintain anything from Keatts the way he is currently coaching. Sorry, I’m just not buying it yet. There’s plenty of time for him to prove me wrong, and I certainly hope he does.

In addition to not being able to link quality coaches together to maintain success, we have not shown any kind of ability to keep a successful coach. That is due to a couple things. It was personality conflicts for Brownell, and Keatts was chasing money. At some point, we have to figure out how to keep a successful coach once we land one.


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I'm not sure I buy that our fan base or coaching situation would be substantially different if we were 11-7 and 12-6 rather than 7-11 and 5-13. I'm not denying which is better, but I wouldn't define finishing 3rd or 4th in the CAA as sustained success. Right now, they're better positioned to take another step forward because of the hire they made when transitioning from Grant. They were fortunate to get 7 years from Grant whereas we only get 3 years from Keatts and even though Keatts' era was more successful, the stability that Grant provided was better for long-term success.

As for consistently competing for CAA championships, they only reached the semi-finals 3 times, finals twice and won in 2018. I personally felt like CoC was disappointing in 2019, coming off of their first CAA championship with Riller and Brantley returning. To your point, Grant was able to avoid really disappointing seasons after he got the program on track, but I don't think they capitalized on those two really strong seasons.

Overall, their athletic department seems to have a clearer vision and they’ve been able to commit to it because of superior resources.
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RE: UNCW and and the CAA
(11-18-2021 07:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 05:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  LOL i pulled census numbers, simple google search. Sounds you are the one that needs to counter with some other facts sir, i didn't make it up.

There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .
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(11-18-2021 09:58 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 07:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  There is a huge difference between the population of a city/county and a metro area. Charleston is more than just Charleston proper. It's a huge area with a lot of people. The area surrounding Wilmington is farmland and woods when you leave it.

Charleston

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/
802,122 Population
2,590.2 square miles
309.7 people per square mile

Wilmington

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/3100...etro-area/

297,533 Population
1,063.5 square miles
279.8 people per square mile
So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .

From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.
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(11-18-2021 10:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 09:58 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 07:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .

As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.
Where are you hearing that& what? I've heard very little chirping on that front.
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(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

Agree with all of this. My one complaint of PBD is that she didn't have a vision for football. I remember when I asked her about adding a football program she referenced her Michigan roots and said that football at UNCW would be small and that no one would get behind the program.
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(11-18-2021 10:50 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

Agree with all of this. My one complaint of PBD is that she didn't have a vision for football. I remember when I asked her about adding a football program she referenced her Michigan roots and said that football at UNCW would be small-time and that no one would get behind the program.
Yep, that's small time thinking. IMO that was the time we maybe could have cashed in as we had some sustained success over multiple programs and good leadership comparatively.
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(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

Agree with all of this. My one complaint of PBD is that she didn't have a vision for football. I remember when I asked her about adding a football program she referenced her Michigan roots and said that football at UNCW would be small-time and that no one would get behind the program.
Yep, that's small time thinking. IMO that was the time we maybe could have cashed in as we had some sustained success over multiple programs and good leadership comparatively.

Right! And you look at Coastal's success since starting their football program in 2003 and you can easily see the benefit that a program could've provided.
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(11-18-2021 10:59 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:50 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 07:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

Agree with all of this. My one complaint of PBD is that she didn't have a vision for football. I remember when I asked her about adding a football program she referenced her Michigan roots and said that football at UNCW would be small-time and that no one would get behind the program.
Yep, that's small time thinking. IMO that was the time we maybe could have cashed in as we had some sustained success over multiple programs and good leadership comparatively.

Right! And you look at Coastal's success since starting their football program in 2003 and you can easily see the benefit that a program could've provided.
It's hard to imagine, being the only show in town wouldn't be supported. Not to mention people look for excuses to go to the beach. Heck, i know many csual fans that go to G vegas just for the experience. Understand the semantics of starting it up and we are certainly not in the position now....... What could have been
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(11-18-2021 10:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 09:58 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 07:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 08:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  So you are counting all the surrounding areas for Charleston, but not including the "Farmland" in population in Leland, Ogden, Hampstead all suburb Wilmington..... Got it. Makes perfect sense. At least be consistent with what you are counting. You are counting double the square miles in the Charleston figure. Hell at that rate why don't you count Jacksonville and Myrtle beach in Wilmington's. SMH

My 129 vs 150 reference earlier is media markets. When you get over 100 you are splitting hairs. Charleston is a bit larger of a city, but it's close.
I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .

From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

I agree about football at this time but I have heard zero about a new basketball arena . Trask has not been maintained very well and the upfit from a few years ago was just a failure . Seems like it would be easier to remodel Trask than build a new building ?
Baseball has new indoor facility that is great but the field needs to be redone and the stadium is outdated,needs a combined clubhouse/locker room that is in line with a D1 program . I was recently at High Point U and all of their facilities are better than anything at UNCW-except the baseball facility . Money is always tight a UNCW but baseball seems like the easiest and cheapest place to start and it is the best program at UNCW . Conference realignment would be so much easier with a plan in place with funding and not just a wish list drawing .
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(11-18-2021 12:08 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 10:43 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 09:58 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(11-18-2021 07:57 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-17-2021 09:12 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I checked it includes Pender,Brunswick and New Hanover counties as metro Wilmington.
Point still stands, if you include double the space.... The population for Sq mile is only slightly more which is what i expected. Again, when comparing the two media markets is important, and there isn't a discernable difference between the two. However, as was accurately pointed out facilities, and certainly access to a nice in city arena helps.
It means they have 500,000 more people in the area that are possible donors or fans of the athletic program than UNCW and that is huge . I think UNCW must at some point have a real plan for facilities and a vision for the future about who and what UNCW sports are . Is UNCW a baseball school or a basketball school ? Is football something that is actually going to happen or just something fans talk about ? What level does UNCW aspire to in the world of D1 sports ? The first and most glaring deal is facilities because they are not close to being at a competitive level . A conference like the A10 right now for UNCW is a pipedream and not reality .

From all i've heard, football is far too costly to start based on the benefits it will bring and the complete overhaul of the entire athletic teams that would be required. UNCW can be both a baseball and basketball school IMO. I don't think we can solely focus on baseball because the income just isn't there, but baseball has the potential to replace the connection to the university we are missing without football. Tailgating, family atmosphere, great game day experience. But we have to be creative and intentional in creating that atmosphere. As far as facilities, we are real close to a new basketball arena.

I agree about football at this time but I have heard zero about a new basketball arena . Trask has not been maintained very well and the upfit from a few years ago was just a failure . Seems like it would be easier to remodel Trask than build a new building ?
Baseball has new indoor facility that is great but the field needs to be redone and the stadium is outdated,needs a combined clubhouse/locker room that is in line with a D1 program . I was recently at High Point U and all of their facilities are better than anything at UNCW-except the baseball facility . Money is always tight a UNCW but baseball seems like the easiest and cheapest place to start and it is the best program at UNCW . Conference realignment would be so much easier with a plan in place with funding and not just a wish list drawing .

I'm sure we'd have a lot nicer facilities if tuition, room and board was $55k/year. We're nothing like HPU and I think that is a good thing.
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A new basketball arena is on the table and is within reach, just have to close some funding gaps. Baseball and basketball will be our two premier sports, but basketball is the money maker. My hope is the next chancellor truly embraces what a top notch athletic program can bring to UNCW, and will make it a priority. Everything is in place for us to go next level if it's a priority.
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