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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 02:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:45 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:41 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

NCAA Publications

I feel like this text needs to be made the background of the conference realignment forum so it's just always there for people to read.

03-lmfao Indeed. And even that won’t be enough for some posters. They will claim it can be circumvented and all this other nonsense.

You can lead a Mustang to a website, but you can't make it read.

I apologize SMU guy, nothing personal, but I just had to tell my joke. Sorry you were involved04-cheers It was about this whole situation and not you...
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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 02:36 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That is not at all possible. CUSA has to have at least 8 *full members* who play FBS football in CUSA. And that's why it has been reported that NMSU is joining CUSA as a full member.

Link to prove the 8 full members?


Whoops. Got beat to it.
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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 02:48 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:43 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:35 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:28 AM)All4One Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:19 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  airport meeting that created the MWC, led by BYU and Utah

Are you sure Air Force wasn't a leader in that because they certainly were a leader in teams considering the AAC recently?
I worked in Tark's office and we heard BYU, Utah didn't want to play with all these schools and the only way Fresno would be invited is if we got rid of Tark asap. His suing the NCAA for shady stuff that went on w/ him at UNLV and his second chance recruits. We wouldn't get rid of him because he was going to get us our on campus bball arena, which he did. So if AFA was in charge that's news to me. Who was the 5? I thought it was UU, BYU, AFA, CSU, Wyo.

That's right, but I'm not sold on who was the definitive leader there. Those five, of course, added UNLV, San Diego State, and New Mexico to secure the eight full members needed for a new conference.
well according to us it was BYU and Utah. That's where we pointed the finger. The only time I heard the other schools names was when they said there were 5. I'm sure they were all in w/ the thinking even if it was BYU or Utah. But if AFA wanted more exposure and Texas they should have loved the WAC 16. it had Tx and La. and Hawaii lol
AFA was indeed one of the leaders of the MWC cabal, IMO, along with Colorado State and Wyoming . Utah & BYU decided to join in, but they were not one of the leaders of the WAC coup d'etat, IMHO. The first three teams I mentioned were the leaders.

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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 02:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:45 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:41 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

NCAA Publications

I feel like this text needs to be made the background of the conference realignment forum so it's just always there for people to read.

03-lmfao Indeed. And even that won’t be enough for some posters. They will claim it can be circumvented and all this other nonsense.

Not sure where it fits in here, but in 2012, the WAC had 7 members and was allowed to play as an FBS conference. Two of those members (Texas State & UTSA) were in their second transition year but were considered conference members and played full conference schedules (although they were ineligible for the conference title and bowl games).
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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 03:19 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:45 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:41 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

NCAA Publications

I feel like this text needs to be made the background of the conference realignment forum so it's just always there for people to read.

03-lmfao Indeed. And even that won’t be enough for some posters. They will claim it can be circumvented and all this other nonsense.

You can lead a Mustang to a website, but you can't make it read.

I apologize SMU guy, nothing personal, but I just had to tell my joke. Sorry you were involved04-cheers It was about this whole situation and not you...

I've read the two provisions below and those cited earlier in this thread. Taken together, isn't it true that:

1) C-USA, and all FBS conferences, need 8 full members playing at least 6 men's sports (including football and basketball) and 8 women's sports within the conference.

2) As it stands right now, the schools departing C-USA for the MAC, AAC, and Sun Belt are expected to begin play in their new leagues in August 2023.

3) C-USA has 3 full FBS members with FIU, UTEP, and Louisiana Tech. Adding Liberty and NMSU will bring them up to 5 full FBS members. They're also adding Jacksonville State and Sam Houston from the FCS.

4) If, come August 1, 2023, C-USA only has FIU, UTEP, Louisiana Tech, Liberty, and NMSU as full FBS members, it will be out of compliance with requirements in Rule 20.02.6

5) However, if C-USA and its new FCS additions provide the proper notice by June 1, 2022 to the NCAA, then Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, and at least one other FCS school can reclassify to FBS status by August 1, 2024.

6) Hence even if, on August 1, 2023, C-USA only has 5 current FBS members (FIU, UTEP, Louisiana Tech, Liberty, and NMSU), plus SHSU, JSU, and at least one more school that are transitioning up from FCS, it will be given a two year grace period, running through August 1, 2025, to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement under Rule 20.02.6.2.

7) Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, and at least one more FCS team can complete reclassifying by August 1, 2024, meaning C-USA will have 8 full Football Bowl Subdivision members a full calendar year before the 2 year grace period expires on August 1, 2025.

8) Consequently, C-USA does not have to add 3 more full FBS members (like UMass, UConn, & Army as all-sports additions) before 2023 in order to continue as an FBS conference.


20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.4.2.1.2 Notification/Application Requirement. The chancellor or president from a Football Championship Subdivision institution that intends to petition for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, per Bylaw 20.4.2, shall submit to the national office written notice of the institution's intention to reclassify and a completed application. The notice and application shall be received in the national office (by mail or electronic transmission) not later than June 1 two years prior to the August 1 when the institution intends to reclassify to the Football Bowl Subdivision. Any form received after June 1 shall be postmarked not later than May 25. The notice and application shall be accompanied by a $5,000 fee and a strategic plan that addresses the Division I philosophy statement (see Bylaw 20.9.2) and any requirements set forth by the Strategic Vision and Planning Committee. If the institution fails to qualify for membership in the Football Bowl Subdivision, the application fee shall be refunded, less any expenditure for educational costs related to the reclassification process. (Adopted: 4/28/05, Revised: 3/8/06, 12/15/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 1/19/13, 8/7/14, 10/5/16)
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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
Not sure if UMASS is trying to get CUSA attention https://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-athleti...k-43314576

However, I think CUSA needs to have full commitment by all members. I don't think the New England strategy would help CUSA. Best to follow Sun Belt keep regional as much as possible. Make FIU the outpost in the east.
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(11-02-2021 04:30 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  Not sure where it fits in here, but in 2012, the WAC had 7 members and was allowed to play as an FBS conference. Two of those members (Texas State & UTSA) were in their second transition year but were considered conference members and played full conference schedules (although they were ineligible for the conference title and bowl games).

Technically, I think they could have been non-compliant for a second year and have played as an FBS conference in 2013 as well (before dropping FB, that is). But at that point, it was down to just Idaho and NMSU.
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(11-02-2021 04:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Not sure if UMASS is trying to get CUSA attention https://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-athleti...k-43314576

However, I think CUSA needs to have full commitment by all members. I don't think the New England strategy would help CUSA. Best to follow Sun Belt keep regional as much as possible. Make FIU the outpost in the east.

They'll probably only add UMass (and only as a FB affiliate) if they need to round out the FB membership to an even number. And perhaps not even then.
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CUSA needs to looking toward North Dakota St, South Dakota St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St, and Illinois St, having a northern division
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North south Midwest flavor would have a completely unique feel. As of now, they are just overlapping with scraps in the shadows of the American and SBC.
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(11-02-2021 04:50 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  CUSA needs to looking toward North Dakota St, South Dakota St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St, and Illinois St, having a northern division

They can look, but the schools have to be able and willing. Northern Iowa is nowhere near FBS ready, and people who've worked at Illinois St including their former AD have told me they were all about the MVC. Missouri St has FBS aspirations, but it's 50/50 whether CUSA is the answer they're looking for.

Even if they put this northern division together, the southern division spans from New Mexico to Virginia. A league from North Dakota to New Mexico to Florida to Virginia isn't sustainable for the revenue the league is brining in. Especially as majority of the travel in *both* divisions would be by flight.
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(11-02-2021 04:50 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  CUSA needs to looking toward North Dakota St, South Dakota St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St, and Illinois St, having a northern division

They can look, but the schools have to be able and willing. Northern Iowa is nowhere near FBS ready, and people who've worked at Illinois St including their former AD have told me they were all about the MVC. Missouri St has FBS aspirations, but it's 50/50 whether CUSA is the answer they're looking for.

Even if they put this northern division together, the southern division spans from New Mexico to Virginia. A league from North Dakota to New Mexico to Florida to Virginia isn't sustainable for the revenue the league is brining in. Especially as majority of the travel in *both* divisions would be by flight.
Illinois St. has been talking about moving up for years. They just never had the financing.
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With divisions the only cross division game needed is the conference championship
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(11-02-2021 04:50 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  CUSA needs to looking toward North Dakota St, South Dakota St, Northern Iowa, Missouri St, and Illinois St, having a northern division

They can look, but the schools have to be able and willing. Northern Iowa is nowhere near FBS ready, and people who've worked at Illinois St including their former AD have told me they were all about the MVC. Missouri St has FBS aspirations, but it's 50/50 whether CUSA is the answer they're looking for.

Even if they put this northern division together, the southern division spans from New Mexico to Virginia. A league from North Dakota to New Mexico to Florida to Virginia isn't sustainable for the revenue the league is brining in. Especially as majority of the travel in *both* divisions would be by flight.

The thought of CUSA with Northern Iowa reminds me of Henry Cabot Henhouse III's famous line (pickup at exactly 6:00):

"I still have 26 tickets from Miami to Cedar Rapids"


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I thought we would be hearing at least 1 more school being added to CUSA today. I hope there's at least 1 more FCS ready to join them.
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(11-02-2021 05:57 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I thought we would be hearing at least 1 more school being added to CUSA today. I hope there's at least 1 more FCS ready to join them.

They may need to do a slow roll out of FCS upgrades, similar to what the SBC did with Georgia St through upgrading Coastal Carolina.
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(11-02-2021 06:38 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 05:57 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I thought we would be hearing at least 1 more school being added to CUSA today. I hope there's at least 1 more FCS ready to join them.

They may need to do a slow roll out of FCS upgrades, similar to what the SBC did with Georgia St through upgrading Coastal Carolina.

Our board has been a little spoiled with all the announcements lately.
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(11-02-2021 05:57 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I thought we would be hearing at least 1 more school being added to CUSA today. I hope there's at least 1 more FCS ready to join them.

According to Dennis Dodd about 30 fcs schools want to be the 8th choice. You would think out of that number, a few will be good to go.
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