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(11-02-2021 12:40 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 12:32 PM)Bogg Wrote:  ... With the dissatisfaction that came from CUSA schools about their streaming carrier, I'm guessing their next deal will be with ESPN and heavy on + games. That'd leave CBSSN essentially just with their share of MW games as content they "own", plus the Army/UConn indy deals. Anything else would have to be subcontracted from another network. ...

And CBSSN already have a standing deal to be able to be able to subcontract MAC games that ESPN doesn't pick up for cable{+} telecast ... getting the same deal with SBC and CUSA would give them a lot of scheduling flexibility in the 12noon/3pm time slots, and with the MWC deal they are covered for 7pm-ish and 11pm games.

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{+ Or, purely hypothetically, OTA}

They're going to have to subcontract some content, but I could envision a scenario where CBSSN essentially becomes the MW Network starting at 3 pm most Saturdays.

With the SB, MAC, and AAC all expanding to 14 that's suddenly a 42-team knife fight for ESPNU airtime, 50+ if/when CUSA signs on (wild card in this scenario: Big 12). If UConn can keep at least their FBS opponents on some mix of CBSSN/FS1/FS2 that may work pretty well.
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(11-02-2021 12:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UConn need make no concessions. They can ask for the same membership, not a contract based associate like UMass and the MAC of the past, as Hawaii in the MWC and Navy in the AAC without any basketball games offered. Period, full stop, end of sentence.

Uconn has the leverage not CUSA. They are the piece that completes the puzzle to have 8 FBS members.

No they are not. Not unless they're joining CUSA for all-sports. You need 8 FBS schools who play basketball in your conference. UConn football-only doesn't help CUSA meet any kind of requirements.
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(11-02-2021 12:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 10:19 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 10:13 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 10:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Yeah, just like Air Force and Colorado State to the AAC is a done deal before they changed their mind and stayed with MWC.

WKU and MTSU aren’t leaving a regional conference behind. The MWC wasn’t down to 3 other teams either. Nice try.

Air Force and CSU being a "done deal" was just the view of some board commentators, it was being reported as "under discusssion", and an announcement reported as "possible" in the upcoming week ... it was not reported as being "likely".

There is a vocabulary that sports journalists use for these things, and the reporting on the WKU/MTSU move is the vocabulary they use when a deal has been reached but the formal votes have not yet been taken. The reporting on Air Force / CSU never reached that point.

That's my sense of it too. I never had the sense that CSU/AFA to the AAC was a done deal, so I was not surprised when it didn't happen.

I will be surprised, quite surprised, if MTSU and WKU don't end up in the MAC.

Its one of these situations where WKU/MT have been around in FBS too long to put up with a rebuild situation in CUSA.

Especially when a little more movement in the P5 could set everything off again.
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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:50 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(11-02-2021 09:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Remember, the choice for FIU/LA Tech/UTEP isn't between this incinerated, ridonculously embarrassing version of CUSA and the SEC. It's been this incinerated ridonculously embarrasing version of CUSA and independence. Because no other FBS conference wants them. If any other conference wanted them, they'd leave too.

And as bad as this incinerated CUSA is, backfilled with the independent dregs of FBS and FCS callups, it is better for all of them than independence. That's why independents like NMSU and Liberty are joining. This rump CUSA still has a TV contract, still gets a share of CFP money, and still has an autobid to the NCAA tourney. None of which they have if they go indy.
CUSA’s media deal is up after the 22-23 season. These teams will probably be joining for 23-24. They will need a new deal, but I can’t imagine it being for the same money.

It won't be for the same money, it will be for significantly less than even the paltry amount they current get. But whatever it is, I'm guessing it will be more than any could get as independents. I don't think any of those three could sign an actual independent TV deal other than at the local level.

LU already has a TV deal with ESPN that ends 25.

Yes, I know LU does. I was referring to three core CUSA leftovers.

Really, if it was all about money and scheduling, Liberty should not have joined. IMO, they are better off as a program Independent than joining this version of CUSA.

But I think for Liberty, the overriding issue was breaking the ice in terms of the anti-religious stigma that FBS conferences have had regarding them. This is their chance to get in to a conference, and once that happens, it positions them to move to a better one later on.

So IMO they made a strategic move to take a step back now, to open up more steps forward later.

It wasn't an anti-religious stigma. It's being against a school that was anti-science and too overtly political. If it was a religious bias, BYU, Baylor, Wake Forest, and Notre Dame would have similar issues.
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(11-02-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 12:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UConn need make no concessions. They can ask for the same membership, not a contract based associate like UMass and the MAC of the past, as Hawaii in the MWC and Navy in the AAC without any basketball games offered. Period, full stop, end of sentence.

Uconn has the leverage not CUSA. They are the piece that completes the puzzle to have 8 FBS members.

No they are not. Not unless they're joining CUSA for all-sports. You need 8 FBS schools who play basketball in your conference. UConn football-only doesn't help CUSA meet any kind of requirements.

I guess I'm confused. If CUSA loses two (WKU and MTSU), it's down to three. If it adds four, it's at seven. It needs eight for football only. So CUSA, on paper, should be willing to have UConn join with no concessions.

Again, I could easily be wrong on this.
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(11-02-2021 01:52 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 12:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UConn need make no concessions. They can ask for the same membership, not a contract based associate like UMass and the MAC of the past, as Hawaii in the MWC and Navy in the AAC without any basketball games offered. Period, full stop, end of sentence.

Uconn has the leverage not CUSA. They are the piece that completes the puzzle to have 8 FBS members.

No they are not. Not unless they're joining CUSA for all-sports. You need 8 FBS schools who play basketball in your conference. UConn football-only doesn't help CUSA meet any kind of requirements.

I guess I'm confused. If CUSA loses two (WKU and MTSU), it's down to three. If it adds four, it's at seven. It needs eight for football only. So CUSA, on paper, should be willing to have UConn join with no concessions.

Again, I could easily be wrong on this.

It needs 8 all sports members (all sports includes FBS football for FBS conferences). UCONN or UMass Football only wouldn't help out here.
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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 01:52 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 01:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 12:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UConn need make no concessions. They can ask for the same membership, not a contract based associate like UMass and the MAC of the past, as Hawaii in the MWC and Navy in the AAC without any basketball games offered. Period, full stop, end of sentence.

Uconn has the leverage not CUSA. They are the piece that completes the puzzle to have 8 FBS members.

No they are not. Not unless they're joining CUSA for all-sports. You need 8 FBS schools who play basketball in your conference. UConn football-only doesn't help CUSA meet any kind of requirements.

I guess I'm confused. If CUSA loses two (WKU and MTSU), it's down to three. If it adds four, it's at seven. It needs eight for football only. So CUSA, on paper, should be willing to have UConn join with no concessions.

Again, I could easily be wrong on this.

I can't see this being a good fit for UConn. I may end up being wrong (say if for some reason CUSA can land a good chunk of linear TV time and the CFP money is worth it), but it would be a surprise if UConn signs on to join. It seems like it would be a step backward for TV revenue and exposure in comparison to our Indy deal with CBSSN. I do understand that it may be the last conference chair available for a long long time, but I think that UConn takes the gamble of riding solo even if it does mean running the risk of potentially making us permanently homeless in football.
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When Jacksonville State joined the ASUN, the big talk was how much money it would save on travel. I just don't believe they would go to NMSU and UTEP in ALL sports. The below makes more sense. I could see Missouri State fitting in. Also UCA talked about being FBS.

POSSIBLE

Football
1. Liberty
2. La Tech
3. FIU
4. SHSU
5. JSU

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6. UConn
7. UMass
8. NMSU (Olympics stay in WAC)
9. UTEP (Olympics go to WAC)
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2. La Tech
3. FIU
4. SHSU
5. JSU

possible
6. UTA
7. UALR
8. ? (New Orleans)
9. ? (Lipscomb)
10. ? (Bellarmine)

Would welcome a map person to plot out the Olympic sports schools.
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That is not at all possible. CUSA has to have at least 8 *full members* who play FBS football in CUSA. And that's why it has been reported that NMSU is joining CUSA as a full member.
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(11-02-2021 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That is not at all possible. CUSA has to have at least 8 *full members* who play FBS football in CUSA. And that's why it has been reported that NMSU is joining CUSA as a full member.

Link to prove the 8 full members?
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(11-02-2021 01:41 PM)whittx Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:50 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 09:40 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  CUSA’s media deal is up after the 22-23 season. These teams will probably be joining for 23-24. They will need a new deal, but I can’t imagine it being for the same money.

It won't be for the same money, it will be for significantly less than even the paltry amount they current get. But whatever it is, I'm guessing it will be more than any could get as independents. I don't think any of those three could sign an actual independent TV deal other than at the local level.

LU already has a TV deal with ESPN that ends 25.

Yes, I know LU does. I was referring to three core CUSA leftovers.

Really, if it was all about money and scheduling, Liberty should not have joined. IMO, they are better off as a program Independent than joining this version of CUSA.

But I think for Liberty, the overriding issue was breaking the ice in terms of the anti-religious stigma that FBS conferences have had regarding them. This is their chance to get in to a conference, and once that happens, it positions them to move to a better one later on.

So IMO they made a strategic move to take a step back now, to open up more steps forward later.

It wasn't an anti-religious stigma. It's being against a school that was anti-science and too overtly political. If it was a religious bias, BYU, Baylor, Wake Forest, and Notre Dame would have similar issues.

There is definitely an anti-fundamentalist religious bias among universities. They are overtly political and don't like schools that don't tow the line with them. But I do agree there were bigger issues: 1) the mix of science and religion; and 2) the huge online school making Liberty look different than almost all NCAA schools.
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20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

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(11-02-2021 02:41 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

NCAA Publications

I feel like this text needs to be made the background of the conference realignment forum so it's just always there for people to read.
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(11-02-2021 02:41 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements.
(Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

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Plus the NCAA gives out waivers like it is Trick or Treet.
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(11-02-2021 02:45 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:41 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision conference
shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An
institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members only if the institution participates in the
conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football
and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regularseason and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable
NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one of its required
six men's sports and one of its required eight women's sports a sport in which its conference does not sponsor or conduct a
championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division I multi- or single-sport conference.
Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two
years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member requirement due to one or
more of its member's failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

NCAA Publications

I feel like this text needs to be made the background of the conference realignment forum so it's just always there for people to read.

03-lmfao Indeed. And even that won’t be enough for some posters. They will claim it can be circumvented and all this other nonsense.
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(11-02-2021 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That is not at all possible. CUSA has to have at least 8 *full members* who play FBS football in CUSA. And that's why it has been reported that NMSU is joining CUSA as a full member.

Link to prove the 8 full members?

It’s basically been on every CUSA related thread over the last week. You can find it with a google search
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(11-02-2021 02:55 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:36 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(11-02-2021 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That is not at all possible. CUSA has to have at least 8 *full members* who play FBS football in CUSA. And that's why it has been reported that NMSU is joining CUSA as a full member.

Link to prove the 8 full members?

It’s basically been on every CUSA related thread over the last week. You can find it with a google search

It was just posted. Did you read it? Read 20.02.6.2
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So CUSA picks up these four as all sports and are at seven, it seems likely that with out too much trouble they will pick up UALR and UTA who have at least looked at football on the FBS level. So two olympic only members and their tourney bid is safe. If this occurs I see Mo State as the 8th all sports and maybe UMass as a 9th football member although playing seven conference games and using the fifth ooc as strictly a two for one or buy bodybag game makes a lot of sense and eases the schedule transitions for the independents in NMST and Liberty. UConn for ten and divisions to get a viable championship game could work (I know divisions are not necessary just makes it more attractive).

All sports:
NM state
UTEP
SHSU
La Tech
Liberty
Jackson St
FIU
Mo State*

Football Only
UMass*
UConn*

Olympic:
UALR*
UT-Arlington*

So Liberty ends up on a bit of an island for Olympics but everyone else has a travel partner or is in a relatively compact west area. Maybe they look for an Olympic only add in Virginia or the Carolinas with a strong basketball performance base to help finish luring in Missouri St. Honestly that isn't a terrible bball league with UTEP, NM st, Liberty, and Missouri St, half the league has had solid success basically.
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The Jacksonville State Gamecocks football program is the intercollegiate American football team for Jacksonville State University. The team competes in the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) as a member of the Ohio Valley Conference through the 2020–21 school year. Once JSU joins the ASUN Conference, Gamecocks football will compete in the aforementioned ASUN–WAC Challenge until the ASUN launches its own football league, most likely in 2022. Jacksonville State's first football team was fielded in 1904, nicknamed at the time as the "Eagle Owls." The team plays its home games at the 24,000 seat Burgess-Snow Field at JSU Stadium in Jacksonville, Alabama. The Gamecocks are coached by John Grass. Under the direction of head coach John Grass in 2014, the Gamecocks went 10–2 overall, won the Ohio Valley Conference outright, and received an automatic bid in the NCAA FCS Playoffs. In 2021, the Gamecocks upset the Florida State Seminoles in Tallahassee, Florida on a 59-yard touchdown pass at the end of the game.

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RE: Breaking: NMSu, Liberty, SHSU & Jax State to CUSA
(11-02-2021 03:04 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Thought it was Jacksonville State in Northeast Alabama
[Image: 1280px-Burgess-Snow_Field_at_JSU_Stadium...r_2015.JPG][Image: Jacksonville_State_University_seal.png]

Maybe Prime Time can get Jackson State invited.
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