(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
Get off here with that garbage!!!
What garbage? You should be happy that these Southland conference teams are in discussions with CUSA because after CUSA gets raided by the AAC, Sunbelt, and Mountain West you are going to need to invite more schools. The schools CUSA wants such as James Madison and Liberty are going to the Sunbelt so CUSA will have to look to the Southland conference for teams.
I am disappointed. In case Charlotte gets invited to the AAC I thought they would have a higher level of message board bozos. Apparently not.
(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
You're hearing something alright and you're the only one that's hearing it.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2021 09:53 PM by HiddenDragon.)
(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
Wait...you posted this exact thing on both the SBC and CUSA forums, only changing out the names of the conferences?
Quote:The Sunbelt should definitely pursue several of the Louisiana schools currently in the Southland Conference such as McNeese State and Southeastern Louisiana. It would be great for the Sunbelt to raid the Southland and do most of its expansion in Louisiana while allowing these schools to move up in classification.
Dude gets around. I just ignored it at first because I thought it was just a subtle troll, but if he's going to post this multiple places, he's going to get called on it.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2021 10:02 PM by chiefsfan.)
(10-11-2021 04:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: Theoretically C-USA COULD die.
-- AAC adds six (5 C-USA, 1 SBC)
-- MW adds two from C-USA Texas group
-- SBC (now at nine) adds three from C-USA
C-USA now down to four-- is about to add four------ when SBC at last minute takes two more for the DEATH BLOW!
Epilogue/Eulogy-- last two go Indy (one might drop to FCS)
AAC- 14 (expecting to lose two in near future stops at twelve)
MW-- 14 (same as AAC)
SBC-- 14 (consider it worth it for increased CFP money and less competition for media and recruits in same region)--university officials commission study for name change.
Theoretically any conference "could" die. It's not going to die though. The AAC is not going to 14 with 5 C-USA schools. It's not going to 14 period without either some sort of change of heart from the MWC schools or some sort of very weird hybrid mixture with some non-FB schools added to compliment Wichita (which I think is just as unlikely as the MWC schools reconsidering). Also if the Sun-Belt is actually the far stronger league and the more real threat to "pass" the AAC in competitiveness on the field then in that unlikely scenario of the AAC going to 14 you'd pick off more Sun-Belt teams to ensure they are also weakened greatly.
(10-11-2021 04:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: Theoretically C-USA COULD die.
-- AAC adds six (5 C-USA, 1 SBC)
-- MW adds two from C-USA Texas group
-- SBC (now at nine) adds three from C-USA
C-USA now down to four-- is about to add four------ when SBC at last minute takes two more for the DEATH BLOW!
Epilogue/Eulogy-- last two go Indy (one might drop to FCS)
AAC- 14 (expecting to lose two in near future stops at twelve)
MW-- 14 (same as AAC)
SBC-- 14 (consider it worth it for increased CFP money and less competition for media and recruits in same region)--university officials commission study for name change.
Theoretically any conference "could" die. It's not going to die though. The AAC is not going to 14 with 5 C-USA schools. It's not going to 14 period without either some sort of change of heart from the MWC schools or some sort of very weird hybrid mixture with some non-FB schools added to compliment Wichita (which I think is just as unlikely as the MWC schools reconsidering). Also if the Sun-Belt is actually the far stronger league and the more real threat to "pass" the AAC in competitiveness on the field then in that unlikely scenario of the AAC going to 14 you'd pick off more Sun-Belt teams to ensure they are also weakened greatly.
(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
Wait...you posted this exact thing on both the SBC and CUSA forums, only changing out the names of the conferences?
Trolls gonna troll. Doesn't mean they are creative or smart.
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
This is pure trash.
I think many of you did not actually read the article or dig into the survey, just looked at the picture.
This might help you a bit..
Quote: Likelihood of a change in conference affiliation during the next two years
Athletics facilities relative to Conference USA peers
Perceptions about the ability to generate donor & corporate support for the athletics program
Perceptions about institutional leadership (e.g. President, Trustees, C-Suite) in support of the athletic program
Perceptions about the quality of the institution’s brand
Potential for Football success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for Men’s Basketball success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for success in non-revenue sports relative to Conference USA peers
Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution
Quality of Life (cost of living, schools, culture, geography) if all other factors were equal
The sample they used is somewhere around 40 based on the comments.These are all potential AD's, so most likely they are a mix of Associate ADs within the conference and low level P5s, ADs from the SB or MAC and a mix of athletic consultants. So none of this is historic and all is considered future looking or perceived. With UNT's alumni base, yeah they have the potential to jump up in donor support, especially with the corporate sponsorship added in. Location matter for potential corporate funding opportunities. Same with location driving the perception in FB and MBB. This is why UNT AD gig is considered a "good" job, just like the FB HC or MBB.
The telling part should not be the UNT rankings for potential hires in comparison to the conference going forward, but what this implies for the rest of the conference realignment chaos. The survey question regarding who will move in the next 2 years is scary, because unlike most rankings that you see they also allow you to see the comments. Go read those and it will surprise you how other people in athletics view all the CUSA.
From the link hit the option to view "All comments" and read through them. They are very frank about what they view the top and bottom and why.
Don't forget objective #'s don't really matter in this discussion because this all about perception of the future, which is still driving realignment. Hard numbers can be used to help change a viewpoint once a view is known, but preexisting perception are much more difficult to change than people think.
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
This is pure trash.
I think many of you did not actually read the article or dig into the survey, just looked at the picture.
This might help you a bit..
Quote: Likelihood of a change in conference affiliation during the next two years
Athletics facilities relative to Conference USA peers
Perceptions about the ability to generate donor & corporate support for the athletics program
Perceptions about institutional leadership (e.g. President, Trustees, C-Suite) in support of the athletic program
Perceptions about the quality of the institution’s brand
Potential for Football success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for Men’s Basketball success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for success in non-revenue sports relative to Conference USA peers
Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution
Quality of Life (cost of living, schools, culture, geography) if all other factors were equal
The sample they used is somewhere around 40 based on the comments.These are all potential AD's, so most likely they are a mix of Associate ADs within the conference and low level P5s, ADs from the SB or MAC and a mix of athletic consultants. So none of this is historic and all is considered future looking or perceived. With UNT's alumni base, yeah they have the potential to jump up in donor support, especially with the corporate sponsorship added in. Location matter for potential corporate funding opportunities. Same with location driving the perception in FB and MBB. This is why UNT AD gig is considered a "good" job, just like the FB HC or MBB.
The telling part should not be the UNT rankings for potential hires in comparison to the conference going forward, but what this implies for the rest of the conference realignment chaos. The survey question regarding who will move in the next 2 years is scary, because unlike most rankings that you see they also allow you to see the comments. Go read those and it will surprise you how other people in athletics view all the CUSA.
From the link hit the option to view "All comments" and read through them. They are very frank about what they view the top and bottom and why.
Don't forget objective #'s don't really matter in this discussion because this all about perception of the future, which is still driving realignment. Hard numbers can be used to help change a viewpoint once a view is known, but preexisting perception are much more difficult to change than people think.
lol---sounds like a lot of AD's or assistant AD's really like the idea of living in Charlotte. I'd be curious if the Charlotte AD job was open at the time these comments were written.
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2021 10:50 AM by Attackcoog.)
Charlotte is a pretty nice city from the time I've spent there. My girlfriend is a UNCC grad and I had never spent a second on that campus until 2019 but I have to say it was very nice. With the light rail now having a stop right on campus you can get anywhere in the city you want really cheap and easy. Basketball arena is really nice, and while tiny when we drove by the football stadium looked really nice. I'm not some massive supporter of adding Charlotte, but their FB team is 4-2, made a bowl game in 2019, and really their 1 facility that isn't AAC level yet is probably much easier and quicker to fix than UTSA and FAU building brand new basketball arena's from scratch.
(10-12-2021 10:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Charlotte is a pretty nice city from the time I've spent there. My girlfriend is a UNCC grad and I had never spent a second on that campus until 2019 but I have to say it was very nice. With the light rail now having a stop right on campus you can get anywhere in the city you want really cheap and easy. Basketball arena is really nice, and while tiny when we drove by the football stadium looked really nice. I'm not some massive supporter of adding Charlotte, but their FB team is 4-2, made a bowl game in 2019, and really their 1 facility that isn't AAC level yet is probably much easier and quicker to fix than UTSA and FAU building brand new basketball arena's from scratch.
too much traffic
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2021 11:39 AM by GreenBison.)
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
This is pure trash.
I think many of you did not actually read the article or dig into the survey, just looked at the picture.
This might help you a bit..
Quote: Likelihood of a change in conference affiliation during the next two years
Athletics facilities relative to Conference USA peers
Perceptions about the ability to generate donor & corporate support for the athletics program
Perceptions about institutional leadership (e.g. President, Trustees, C-Suite) in support of the athletic program
Perceptions about the quality of the institution’s brand
Potential for Football success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for Men’s Basketball success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for success in non-revenue sports relative to Conference USA peers
Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution
Quality of Life (cost of living, schools, culture, geography) if all other factors were equal
The sample they used is somewhere around 40 based on the comments.These are all potential AD's, so most likely they are a mix of Associate ADs within the conference and low level P5s, ADs from the SB or MAC and a mix of athletic consultants. So none of this is historic and all is considered future looking or perceived. With UNT's alumni base, yeah they have the potential to jump up in donor support, especially with the corporate sponsorship added in. Location matter for potential corporate funding opportunities. Same with location driving the perception in FB and MBB. This is why UNT AD gig is considered a "good" job, just like the FB HC or MBB.
The telling part should not be the UNT rankings for potential hires in comparison to the conference going forward, but what this implies for the rest of the conference realignment chaos. The survey question regarding who will move in the next 2 years is scary, because unlike most rankings that you see they also allow you to see the comments. Go read those and it will surprise you how other people in athletics view all the CUSA.
From the link hit the option to view "All comments" and read through them. They are very frank about what they view the top and bottom and why.
Don't forget objective #'s don't really matter in this discussion because this all about perception of the future, which is still driving realignment. Hard numbers can be used to help change a viewpoint once a view is known, but preexisting perception are much more difficult to change than people think.
Reading the comments is eye opening. Obviously they align with the chart, which means some CUSA members will be happier than others, but if you want to know how people earning their livings in the industry evaluate the situation on the ground, this is it. It sure draws a distinction between what they value, and what we fans think.
(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
This is pure trash.
I think many of you did not actually read the article or dig into the survey, just looked at the picture.
This might help you a bit..
Quote: Likelihood of a change in conference affiliation during the next two years
Athletics facilities relative to Conference USA peers
Perceptions about the ability to generate donor & corporate support for the athletics program
Perceptions about institutional leadership (e.g. President, Trustees, C-Suite) in support of the athletic program
Perceptions about the quality of the institution’s brand
Potential for Football success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for Men’s Basketball success relative to Conference USA peers
Potential for success in non-revenue sports relative to Conference USA peers
Potential to become a ‘Power 5’ AD from each institution
Quality of Life (cost of living, schools, culture, geography) if all other factors were equal
The sample they used is somewhere around 40 based on the comments.These are all potential AD's, so most likely they are a mix of Associate ADs within the conference and low level P5s, ADs from the SB or MAC and a mix of athletic consultants. So none of this is historic and all is considered future looking or perceived. With UNT's alumni base, yeah they have the potential to jump up in donor support, especially with the corporate sponsorship added in. Location matter for potential corporate funding opportunities. Same with location driving the perception in FB and MBB. This is why UNT AD gig is considered a "good" job, just like the FB HC or MBB.
The telling part should not be the UNT rankings for potential hires in comparison to the conference going forward, but what this implies for the rest of the conference realignment chaos. The survey question regarding who will move in the next 2 years is scary, because unlike most rankings that you see they also allow you to see the comments. Go read those and it will surprise you how other people in athletics view all the CUSA.
From the link hit the option to view "All comments" and read through them. They are very frank about what they view the top and bottom and why.
Don't forget objective #'s don't really matter in this discussion because this all about perception of the future, which is still driving realignment. Hard numbers can be used to help change a viewpoint once a view is known, but preexisting perception are much more difficult to change than people think.
Reading the comments is eye opening. Obviously they align with the chart, which means some CUSA members will be happier than others, but if you want to know how people earning their livings in the industry evaluate the situation on the ground, this is it. It sure draws a distinction between what they value, and what we fans think.
3 of the top 4 look to be heading to the AAC. Weird enough that ODU got bumped off the list and instead the big drop in this is for 2 Texas schools (which seem to match with the AAC trying to lock the MWC out of Texas).
(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
Who, who, and who?
...If these are targets, I'd throw Jacksonville State into the mix as well... they have been on the verge of a 'call-up' for a good bit now... ...ask Florida State about 'em...
(10-11-2021 06:29 PM)sunamiwave Wrote: Hearing that CUSA wants a larger presence in Louisiana and is looking at raiding the Southland conference where they will invite McNeese State, Southeastern Louisiana, and Nicholls State. These schools would like to move up from FCS to FBS which joining CUSA will allow them to do.
Who, who, and who?
...If these are targets, I'd throw Jacksonville State into the mix as well... they have been on the verge of a 'call-up' for a good bit now... ...ask Florida State about 'em...
Why stop there? UWF, FGCU, UNF. You understand where I am taking this, right?
(This post was last modified: 10-19-2021 11:11 AM by goliath74.)
CUSA needs to add NMSU for UTEP. Solid basketball, horrible football, but it gives UTEP a travel partner. Then add Liberty, UMASS and maybe JMU or try to get Texas State from the SBC.
(10-19-2021 11:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: CUSA needs to add NMSU for UTEP. Solid basketball, horrible football, but it gives UTEP a travel partner. Then add Liberty, UMASS and maybe JMU or try to get Texas State from the SBC.
Or, since the Sun Belt plans to pull an AAC and stand pat after threatening to raid CUSA the way the AAC threatened the Big XII, it would be nice if CUSA went on the offensive with CBS going to bat for them like the Big XII but to add new states and markets in South Alabama, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, and Appalachian State to get to 12.
(10-19-2021 11:37 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: CUSA needs to add NMSU for UTEP. Solid basketball, horrible football, but it gives UTEP a travel partner. Then add Liberty, UMASS and maybe JMU or try to get Texas State from the SBC.
Or, since the Sun Belt plans to pull an AAC and stand pat after threatening to raid CUSA the way the AAC threatened the Big XII, it would be nice if CUSA went on the offensive with CBS going to bat for them like the Big XII but to add new states and markets in South Alabama, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, and Appalachian State to get to 12.
There are zero reasons why any ‘slum belch’ school would move to cusa, so no matter how many times you say it it just ain’t gonna happen. Lol
(This post was last modified: 02-18-2022 08:47 AM by FrankyP.)
I see you, Franky, but you're not saying anything. Did you know I've had you ignored for over a month now? Don't expect me to respond after you habitually and impulsively reply back to me, socialist Cajun boy.
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