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(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
When UNT is listed #2 for football success...you can just move on to the next post.
Looks like the ranking is based on potential for football success in the eyes of ADs, not based on past success.
(10-11-2021 12:22 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: Adding JMU and Liberty would be perfect. If and only if you are at an odd number than UMass should be considered. UMass was good for 5 decades. Yes independence has meant bottom 25 recruiting rankings with similar results. Our attendance will always be weak, but given some success the numbers will turn. Not only did the students stay for the UConn game, they rushed the field. See the end of the highlights.
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UMass has won a total of 22 conference championships, 12 shared and 10 outright.
(10-11-2021 10:52 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: There is absolutely no real sources that say CUSA teams will be poached by the SBC. Get serious. Could it happen? Sure. Is it just as likely that the CUSA poaches SBC teams? Sure.
Right now its nothing more than hopes/dreams from SBC posters.
I think most of us in CUSA East are hoping the AAC and MWC take the Texas teams off of our hands so we can go from there.
Exactly. C-USA presidents (who make these decisions) aren't going to sign off on their individual schools going to a significantly poorer conference (excluding Rice, SunBelt schools have an avg. endowment that is 30% less than the average CUSA school), with much less research capabilities.
EXACTLY...plus the CUSA schools make more money per year than the SBC schools.
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
Looks like Pete Garcia has done a great job in making the FIU AD position unattractive to other athletic administrators. He may have given himself job security.
Absolutely no to SHSU or any other Texas teams. The only other teams in that area that I would consider (who would accept) are Texas State and NMSU (if we still have UTEP).
As for FCS call ups, the only two worth mentioning are JMU and Missouri St. I'd be fine with both.
I do think we should make a play for UMASS all sports, hell no to football only for them or UCONN either way.
I wish we would add Liberty but don't see it happening. I do think we could get Ga St to leave the SBC for CUSA. I'm not sure what App and Louisiana would do to be honest, but have to try.
So my CUSA expansion candidates in no particular order (if we lose teams and need to add)
App St
Louisiana
Ga St
Texas St
New Mexico St
UMASS
JMU
Missouri St
(10-10-2021 02:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: I was leaning in that direction for a while---now I wonder if thats a factor at all. Given that the CUSA deal is up for grabs in a year---ESPN could have the whole thing--or certainly first tier position---for 10 million or so. Thats about what it would cost them just to move a team or two the AAC at 7 million a pop.
Since it would be another year at least before any team could actually move to the AAC---Im starting to question if the "dont raid any ESPN properties" factor really has any bearing at all in how this plays out.
You still think the AAC will continue to get about 7m per school after defections? Ill believe it when it happens.
Of course not. Nobody believes that. I think most guesstimates are between $2M and $3M per school.
Even Craig Thompson doesn't believe the number will be that low.
“They have been told simply by the departure of those three schools, their average annual value drops to mid-$40 million,” Thompson said of the total AAC payout. “The Mountain West is $40 million. It’s a push. So you’re not going there for TV money. What are you going there for?"
Unless you believe Thompson was giving a ceiling number for the AAC (and I'd bet given the context of that article at the time that's the floor) that's higher than 2-3 million per school using basic math.
So why wouldnt western AAC schools join the MWC if the money is the same or better, closer travel, better rivalries? They might add to the MWC payout too.
Thompson actually admitted the AAC payout would be slightly higher--especially since all regular MW members actually get slightly less than you think due to the Boise deal. So---it doesnt make much sense to pay 12 million in entry/exit fees for a slightly lower payout that requires more travel costs and feature slightly less exposure. Even the western AAC schools would be better off selecting one or two replacement schools and soldiering on in the AAC. Besides, SMU and Memphis still have a shot at the Big12---so there is even less motivation to make any rushed moves just yet.
(10-11-2021 03:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: Absolutely no to SHSU or any other Texas teams. The only other teams in that area that I would consider (who would accept) are Texas State and NMSU (if we still have UTEP).
As for FCS call ups, the only two worth mentioning are JMU and Missouri St. I'd be fine with both.
I do think we should make a play for UMASS all sports, hell no to football only for them or UCONN either way.
I wish we would add Liberty but don't see it happening. I do think we could get Ga St to leave the SBC for CUSA. I'm not sure what App and Louisiana would do to be honest, but have to try.
So my CUSA expansion candidates in no particular order (if we lose teams and need to add)
App St
Louisiana
Ga St
Texas St
New Mexico St
UMASS
JMU
Missouri St
Once y'all are in the aac or the make believe east break away, we can add whatever Texas team we want.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2021 03:25 PM by JCMiner.)
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
When UNT is listed #2 for football success...you can just move on to the next post.
Looks like the ranking is based on potential for football success in the eyes of ADs, not based on past success.
Whoever wrote this must be from the DENTON area.
FIFY... because I dont even think Dallas cares about unt...
(10-11-2021 12:22 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: Adding JMU and Liberty would be perfect. If and only if you are at an odd number than UMass should be considered. UMass was good for 5 decades. Yes independence has meant bottom 25 recruiting rankings with similar results. Our attendance will always be weak, but given some success the numbers will turn. Not only did the students stay for the UConn game, they rushed the field. See the end of the highlights.
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UMass has won a total of 22 conference championships, 12 shared and 10 outright.
I would be ok with UMASS for all sports....not ok for football only though. Question is, would UMASS move for all sports?
Believe there is more support for CUSA than the MAC. Not sure up to date these fans are, but the general fan base favor it more. There is a strong basketball influence and the travel dollars are huge compare to the A10. So CUSA basketball performance is important. A lot have universities have had success as North Texas is now having. UMass think itself as east coast and not mid west so it's possible. There is a required year notice to the A10 to reduce the exit fee from 2Million to one.
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
this for real? Its hilarious for so many obvious reasons.
(10-11-2021 03:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: Absolutely no to SHSU or any other Texas teams. The only other teams in that area that I would consider (who would accept) are Texas State and NMSU (if we still have UTEP).
As for FCS call ups, the only two worth mentioning are JMU and Missouri St. I'd be fine with both.
I do think we should make a play for UMASS all sports, hell no to football only for them or UCONN either way.
I wish we would add Liberty but don't see it happening. I do think we could get Ga St to leave the SBC for CUSA. I'm not sure what App and Louisiana would do to be honest, but have to try.
So my CUSA expansion candidates in no particular order (if we lose teams and need to add)
App St
Louisiana
Ga St
Texas St
New Mexico St
UMASS
JMU
Missouri St
Delaware would make an interesting Call-up. I think I like the combination of JMU and Delaware.
(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.
“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“
“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”
All this input from Marshall fans make me believe you're not going anywhere. The original question was who would the core of 6-8 teams add if we were poached by the AAC, SB, and MW.
(10-11-2021 03:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: Absolutely no to SHSU or any other Texas teams. The only other teams in that area that I would consider (who would accept) are Texas State and NMSU (if we still have UTEP).
As for FCS call ups, the only two worth mentioning are JMU and Missouri St. I'd be fine with both.
I do think we should make a play for UMASS all sports, hell no to football only for them or UCONN either way.
I wish we would add Liberty but don't see it happening. I do think we could get Ga St to leave the SBC for CUSA. I'm not sure what App and Louisiana would do to be honest, but have to try.
So my CUSA expansion candidates in no particular order (if we lose teams and need to add)
App St
Louisiana
Ga St
Texas St
New Mexico St
UMASS
JMU
Missouri St
Those Sunbelt schools, especially the top 3 you list, aren't going to leave the Sunbelt for less money and more travel in CUSA.. That's not even remotely realistic..
To add, it's also not realistic to think UMass and NMSU could be in the same conference unless it was a football only scenario..
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2021 04:15 PM by Tmac13.)
(10-11-2021 03:55 PM)JCMiner Wrote: All this input from Marshall fans make me believe you're not going anywhere. The original question was who would the core of 6-8 teams add if we were poached by the AAC, SB, and MW.
Apparently geography isn't part of the Marshall curriculum..
C-USA now down to four-- is about to add four------ when SBC at last minute takes two more for the DEATH BLOW!
Epilogue/Eulogy-- last two go Indy (one might drop to FCS)
AAC- 14 (expecting to lose two in near future stops at twelve)
MW-- 14 (same as AAC)
SBC-- 14 (consider it worth it for increased CFP money and less competition for media and recruits in same region)--university officials commission study for name change.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2021 04:39 PM by TOPSTRAIGHT.)
(10-11-2021 04:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: Theoretically C-USA COULD die.
-- AAC adds six (5 C-USA, 1 SBC)
-- MW adds two from C-USA Texas group
-- SBC (now at nine) adds three from C-USA
C-USA down to four-- is about to add four------ when SBC at last minute takes two more for the DEATH BLOW!
Epilogue/Eulogy-- last two go Indy (one might drop to FCS)
CUSA is like a cockroach, you can't kill it..
Even if that worst case scenario happened, they would have to regroup and find the next 4, 6, or 8 fcs schools with the desire and potential to move up.. That's pretty much what the Sunbelt had to do a few years ago and it actually turned them into a better/stronger conference..
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