UMass is just so far geographically.. Can't see the Texas and Louisiana schools being wild about them..

How would Rice feel about SHS which in their backyard, about 65 miles north?

ODU, JMU, and Liberty feels like a Virginia overload..

I know schools like Jacksonville St, EKU, and Kennesaw St have all made rumblings about eventually going FBS.. Kennesaw State in particular is in a huge media market and is located in the fertile metro Atlanta recruiting grounds.. Having a presence in GA has really opened up SBC recruiting in the state..

(10-11-2021 12:22 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Adding JMU and Liberty would be perfect. If and only if you are at an odd number than UMass should be considered. UMass was good for 5 decades. Yes independence has meant bottom 25 recruiting rankings with similar results. Our attendance will always be weak, but given some success the numbers will turn. Not only did the students stay for the UConn game, they rushed the field. See the end of the highlights.

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UMass has won a total of 22 conference championships, 12 shared and 10 outright.

Season    Conference    Overall record    Conference record
1960†    Yankee Conference    7–2    3–1
1963    Yankee Conference    8–0–1    5–0
1964    Yankee Conference    8–2    5–0
1966    Yankee Conference    6–3    5–0
1967    Yankee Conference    7–2    5–0
1969    Yankee Conference    6–3    5–0
1971†    Yankee Conference    4–4–1    3–1–1
1972    Yankee Conference    9–2    5–0
1974†    Yankee Conference    5–6    4–2
1977    Yankee Conference    8–3    5–0
1978    Yankee Conference    9–4    5–0
1979†    Yankee Conference    6–4    4–1
1981†    Yankee Conference    6–3    4–1
1982†    Yankee Conference    5–6    3–2
1986†    Yankee Conference    8–3    5–2
1988†    Yankee Conference    8–4    6–2
1990    Yankee Conference    8–2–1    7–1
1998†    Atlantic 10 Conference    12–3    6–2
1999†    Atlantic 10 Conference    9–4    7–1
2003†    Atlantic 10 Conference    10–3    8–1
2006    Atlantic 10 Conference    13–2    8–0
2007†    Colonial Athletic Association    10–3    7–1

Congrats on the win! If any school can identify with getting a rare win it's UTEP.

UMass might be in CUSA soon, if so welcome.

(10-11-2021 01:09 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  UMass is just so far geographically.. Can't see the Texas and Louisiana schools being wild about them..

How would Rice feel about SHS which in their backyard, about 65 miles north?

ODU, JMU, and Liberty feels like a Virginia overload..

I know schools like Jacksonville St, EKU, and Kennesaw St have all made rumblings about eventually going FBS.. Kennesaw State in particular is in a huge media market and is located in the fertile metro Atlanta recruiting grounds.. Having a presence in GA has really opened up SBC recruiting in the state..

Kennesaw State's president has said that his school will never go FBS as long as he's the president. He actually said those words.

(10-11-2021 01:14 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:09 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  UMass is just so far geographically.. Can't see the Texas and Louisiana schools being wild about them..

How would Rice feel about SHS which in their backyard, about 65 miles north?

ODU, JMU, and Liberty feels like a Virginia overload..

I know schools like Jacksonville St, EKU, and Kennesaw St have all made rumblings about eventually going FBS.. Kennesaw State in particular is in a huge media market and is located in the fertile metro Atlanta recruiting grounds.. Having a presence in GA has really opened up SBC recruiting in the state..

Kennesaw State's president has said that his school will never go FBS as long as he's the president. He actually said those words.

Kennesaw State has an interim female president, and their last president was also a woman. Those comments are from years ago, and he is long gone..

(10-11-2021 01:20 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:14 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:09 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  UMass is just so far geographically.. Can't see the Texas and Louisiana schools being wild about them..

How would Rice feel about SHS which in their backyard, about 65 miles north?

ODU, JMU, and Liberty feels like a Virginia overload..

I know schools like Jacksonville St, EKU, and Kennesaw St have all made rumblings about eventually going FBS.. Kennesaw State in particular is in a huge media market and is located in the fertile metro Atlanta recruiting grounds.. Having a presence in GA has really opened up SBC recruiting in the state..

Kennesaw State's president has said that his school will never go FBS as long as he's the president. He actually said those words.

Kennesaw State has an interim female president, and their last president was also a woman. Those comments are from years ago, and he is long gone..

Our chancellor before the one who just retired said we'd never get football while he was chancellor and he was right. Now he does shots at the Normbulance pre-game.

(10-11-2021 01:20 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:14 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:09 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  UMass is just so far geographically.. Can't see the Texas and Louisiana schools being wild about them..

How would Rice feel about SHS which in their backyard, about 65 miles north?

ODU, JMU, and Liberty feels like a Virginia overload..

I know schools like Jacksonville St, EKU, and Kennesaw St have all made rumblings about eventually going FBS.. Kennesaw State in particular is in a huge media market and is located in the fertile metro Atlanta recruiting grounds.. Having a presence in GA has really opened up SBC recruiting in the state..

Kennesaw State's president has said that his school will never go FBS as long as he's the president. He actually said those words.

Kennesaw State has an interim female president, and their last president was also a woman. Those comments are from years ago, and he is long gone..

Oh, good. Maybe they can experience real change then. I didn't know that guy was already gone. It was only a few years ago.

(10-11-2021 01:28 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:20 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:14 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:09 PM)Tmac13 Wrote:  UMass is just so far geographically.. Can't see the Texas and Louisiana schools being wild about them..

How would Rice feel about SHS which in their backyard, about 65 miles north?

ODU, JMU, and Liberty feels like a Virginia overload..

I know schools like Jacksonville St, EKU, and Kennesaw St have all made rumblings about eventually going FBS.. Kennesaw State in particular is in a huge media market and is located in the fertile metro Atlanta recruiting grounds.. Having a presence in GA has really opened up SBC recruiting in the state..

Kennesaw State's president has said that his school will never go FBS as long as he's the president. He actually said those words.

Kennesaw State has an interim female president, and their last president was also a woman. Those comments are from years ago, and he is long gone..

Oh, good. Maybe they can experience real change then. I didn't know that guy was already gone. It was only a few years ago.

Yeah, he was forced to resign in 2017 after creating a political stir concerning cheerleaders of all things..

(10-10-2021 05:25 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 04:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 02:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 01:58 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 11:23 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  LMAO....you guys also think none of the SBC teams are interested in joining the AAC. It's hilarious to be honest.

It doesn't matter if they are "interested in joining the AAC" or not. It won't happen. The SBC schools are already under contract with ESPN for roughly 500K each, and the AAC schools are under contract with ESPN for $7M each (or whatever it is). Why would ESPN allow the SAME teams they have under contract for 500K to move to the AAC and have to pay them more $$$?? Won't happen.

CUSA schools are the best targets because they are not already under contract with ESPN. Moving them to the AAC is a net gain for ESPN.

I was leaning in that direction for a while---now I wonder if thats a factor at all. Given that the CUSA deal is up for grabs in a year---ESPN could have the whole thing--or certainly first tier position---for 10 million or so. Thats about what it would cost them just to move a team or two the AAC at 7 million a pop.

Since it would be another year at least before any team could actually move to the AAC---Im starting to question if the "dont raid any ESPN properties" factor really has any bearing at all in how this plays out.

You still think the AAC will continue to get about 7m per school after defections? Ill believe it when it happens.

Of course not. Nobody believes that. I think most guesstimates are between $2M and $3M per school.

Even Craig Thompson doesn't believe the number will be that low.

“They have been told simply by the departure of those three schools, their average annual value drops to mid-$40 million,” Thompson said of the total AAC payout. “The Mountain West is $40 million. It’s a push. So you’re not going there for TV money. What are you going there for?"

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...rado-state

Unless you believe Thompson was giving a ceiling number for the AAC (and I'd bet given the context of that article at the time that's the floor) that's higher than 2-3 million per school using basic math.

(10-11-2021 01:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 05:25 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 04:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 02:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 01:58 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  It doesn't matter if they are "interested in joining the AAC" or not. It won't happen. The SBC schools are already under contract with ESPN for roughly 500K each, and the AAC schools are under contract with ESPN for $7M each (or whatever it is). Why would ESPN allow the SAME teams they have under contract for 500K to move to the AAC and have to pay them more $$$?? Won't happen.

CUSA schools are the best targets because they are not already under contract with ESPN. Moving them to the AAC is a net gain for ESPN.

I was leaning in that direction for a while---now I wonder if thats a factor at all. Given that the CUSA deal is up for grabs in a year---ESPN could have the whole thing--or certainly first tier position---for 10 million or so. Thats about what it would cost them just to move a team or two the AAC at 7 million a pop.

Since it would be another year at least before any team could actually move to the AAC---Im starting to question if the "dont raid any ESPN properties" factor really has any bearing at all in how this plays out.

You still think the AAC will continue to get about 7m per school after defections? Ill believe it when it happens.

Of course not. Nobody believes that. I think most guesstimates are between $2M and $3M per school.

Even Craig Thompson doesn't believe the number will be that low.

“They have been told simply by the departure of those three schools, their average annual value drops to mid-$40 million,” Thompson said of the total AAC payout. “The Mountain West is $40 million. It’s a push. So you’re not going there for TV money. What are you going there for?"

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...rado-state

Unless you believe Thompson was giving a ceiling number for the AAC (and I'd bet given the context of that article at the time that's the floor) that's higher than 2-3 million per school using basic math.

So why wouldnt western AAC schools join the MWC if the money is the same or better, closer travel, better rivalries? They might add to the MWC payout too.

(10-08-2021 03:18 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  UAB, Charlotte, UTSA, Marshall to AAC. Matt Browns Twitter BEST “educated guess”. If you know Matt he is very connected and knowledgeable, he knows something to be posting this. It’s probably gonna be announced this weekend.

(10-11-2021 01:45 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 05:25 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 04:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-10-2021 02:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I was leaning in that direction for a while---now I wonder if thats a factor at all. Given that the CUSA deal is up for grabs in a year---ESPN could have the whole thing--or certainly first tier position---for 10 million or so. Thats about what it would cost them just to move a team or two the AAC at 7 million a pop.

Since it would be another year at least before any team could actually move to the AAC---Im starting to question if the "dont raid any ESPN properties" factor really has any bearing at all in how this plays out.

You still think the AAC will continue to get about 7m per school after defections? Ill believe it when it happens.

Of course not. Nobody believes that. I think most guesstimates are between $2M and $3M per school.

Even Craig Thompson doesn't believe the number will be that low.

“They have been told simply by the departure of those three schools, their average annual value drops to mid-$40 million,” Thompson said of the total AAC payout. “The Mountain West is $40 million. It’s a push. So you’re not going there for TV money. What are you going there for?"

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...rado-state

Unless you believe Thompson was giving a ceiling number for the AAC (and I'd bet given the context of that article at the time that's the floor) that's higher than 2-3 million per school using basic math.

So why wouldnt western AAC schools join the MWC if the money is the same or better, closer travel, better rivalries? They might add to the MWC payout too.

Because travel is not better for them in the MWC. There is this really weird thing about not knowing how maps work, but Dallas is closer to Tampa than it is to San Diego, San Jose, or Fresno. Dallas is closer to Philly than it is to Boise. The closest school to SMU in the MWC is New Mexico at 650 miles away. Just for comparison in the AAC Tulane (500 miles), Tulsa (250 miles), Memphis (460 miles), and Wichita (370 miles) are all closer. UAB if added is even slightly closer at 640 miles away, and then obviously if a Texas school is added like Rice or UTSA that's another school closer. I do not understand why those of us in the east just assume everything west of Texas is basically California. Colorado is a long way from the pacific ocean, it's a lot closer to Texas than it is to California. Everyone who thinks the CSU/AFA geography made no sense don't seem to understand that by comparison it made a lot more sense than moving any of the AAC schools west.

I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

this for real? Its hilarious for so many obvious reasons.

(10-11-2021 10:48 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  What is the contingency plan if the worst case scenario happens to CUSA? From every angle, media speculation is predicting a minimum of 4, and up to 6 CUSA schools getting invited to the AAC and Sunbelt.. That would leave an 8 team conference strung out from El Paso to Virginia..Where does the conference turn to backfill some of these predicted departures? Has the conference brass been in contact with a school like Liberty? What potential FCS schools would be targeted for a move up?

A well thought out re-alignment thread could sort this out.

(10-11-2021 02:22 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

this for real? Its hilarious for so many obvious reasons.

Found the source.
https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...rence-usa/

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

When UNT is listed #2 for football success...you can just move on to the next post.

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

The higher the number the better, right?

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

The funniest thing about this is categories like “Donor Support”. I wonder how we make a judgement off this? If only we had the donation figures of every school. Oh wait we do.



Like UNT is #1 in “support” but near the bottom in actual contributions.

(10-11-2021 02:39 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

When UNT is listed #2 for football success...you can just move on to the next post.

Looks like the ranking is based on potential for football success in the eyes of ADs, not based on past success.

(10-11-2021 03:00 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:39 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 02:13 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  I looked around and did not see this posted anywhere.

“Dozens of sitting Athletic Directors and executive-level administrators who currently are or could soon be a C-USA AD were invited to share feedback on each AD job in the league.“

“The data was used to provide detailed insights about the potential for success at each school.”

When UNT is listed #2 for football success...you can just move on to the next post.

Looks like the ranking is based on potential for football success in the eyes of ADs, not based on past success.

ADs in the North Texas region?