WKUYG has said they have already given up on improving and doing better. They have accepted their fate.

(10-08-2021 04:44 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If a department head brought me those numbers that spanned 8 years and try to sell me on....

if we just up the budget by 50% and took out all the main hitter and replaced those with programs we complained about playing for the last 3 years. That today with a 50% budget increase those numbers will now all of a sudden increase to cover that extra cost. And do that in a time when more and more people are not spending their money on what we are selling.

I would fire that person on the spot. Does anyone else see it that way and try to set aside your fandom when answering that question? As a businessman this does not make any sense to me...

no matter the names going to the AAC

Some presidents are going to answering some hard questions in 5 years

This is one of the biggest problems the decision makers are facing. They have convinced themselves of this for a few years, and now have to add some of these teams to help stop the bleeding.

TV money and NCAA credits are real. Marshall is in a spread out conference that pays it about 2.2 million with the worst media deal in D1. If we can trade this spread out conference for another spread out conference with the 6th best media deal, potential for multiple NCAA bids, and an extra 3+ million in conference revenue, it’s a complete no brainer.

(10-08-2021 04:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  My educated guess is FAU, UAB, La Tech and Marshall.

Means as much as a guess from Matt Brown who has been wrong plenty before

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Exactly. All are good at football & basketball, and they each fit a specific geographic niche in the East (FAU & Marshall) and West (LA Tech and UAB) AAC, without penetrating any existing AAC members patch.

I've been reading this board for DAYS, wondering when somebody would get a clue and figure this out, and quit listening to a dumbazz sportswriter like Matt Brown. Congrats Ragu!

WEST:
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
LA Tech
UAB

EAST:
Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
FAU
Marshall

WKUYG seems bitter about being left behind but that’s just it you haven’t been LEFT BEHIND. Nothing has happened yet or maybe nothing ever will, chill.

His facts and figures are correct. The thing is this stuff is often illogical. Performance, budgets, geography all go out the window or become secondary factors. I love geography and logic also--- this is what makes it hard for me to understand-- but that is the real world. Hey, I don't get why billions buy egg Mcmuffins (yuck)-- but the fact is THEY DO!

(10-08-2021 07:49 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  WKUYG seems bitter about being left behind but that’s just it you haven’t been LEFT BEHIND. Nothing has happened yet or maybe nothing ever will, chill.

You guys should have learned by now that WKUYG doesnt concern himself with moaning and wailing over "being left behind". He's a data and facts guy. He calls things as he sees them.

In fact, you wont find many WKU fans wailing and crying over being left behind. We've been there before and we have always survived and succeeded at nearly all sports and will continue to do so regardless of the conference shifting to come.

Personally, I think WKU will survive this round stronger and better. We're the little small market school that could. We dont pimp ourselves out on other message boards like little ho's. Boggles my mind why many do that because last time I checked, couch potato sports fans on message boards dont make decisions. I'm focused on tomorrow's important matchup with UTSA and then each successive game for the rest of the season. I'm also focused on WKU basketball getting ready to ramp up for a special year. Focused on our volleyball team continuing to rise in the Top 25. Focused on our soccer team continuing to dominate CUSA. The banter here about realignment is fun but 99% of it is baseless rumors and bluster. It's a great diversion between games.

With all that said...if any teams do leave CUSA, I will still follow them and route for them unless they're playing us or teams in our conference.

(10-08-2021 08:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 07:49 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  WKUYG seems bitter about being left behind but that’s just it you haven’t been LEFT BEHIND. Nothing has happened yet or maybe nothing ever will, chill.

You guys should have learned by now that WKUYG doesnt concern himself with moaning and wailing over "being left behind". He's a data and facts guy. He calls things as he sees them.

In fact, you wont find many WKU fans wailing and crying over being left behind. We've been there before and we have always survived and succeeded at nearly all sports and will continue to do so regardless of the conference shifting to come.

Personally, I think WKU will survive this round stronger and better. We're the little small market school that could. We dont pimp ourselves out on other message boards like little ho's. Boggles my mind why many do that because last time I checked, couch potato sports fans on message boards dont make decisions. I'm focused on tomorrow's important matchup with UTSA and then each successive game for the rest of the season. I'm also focused on WKU basketball getting ready to ramp up for a special year. Focused on our volleyball team continuing to rise in the Top 25. Focused on our soccer team continuing to dominate CUSA. The banter here about realignment is fun but 99% of it is baseless rumors and bluster. It's a great diversion between games.

With all that said...if any teams do leave CUSA, I will still follow them and route for them unless they're playing us or teams in our conference.

I agree, WKU has always done what is best for WKU....it’s what Wright Waters hated us. Just win at the sports you play and the rest will take care of itself

(10-08-2021 07:40 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  My educated guess is FAU, UAB, La Tech and Marshall.

Means as much as a guess from Matt Brown who has been wrong plenty before

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Exactly. All are good at football & basketball, and they each fit a specific geographic niche in the East (FAU & Marshall) and West (LA Tech and UAB) AAC, without penetrating any existing AAC members patch.

I've been reading this board for DAYS, wondering when somebody would get a clue and figure this out, and quit listening to a dumbazz sportswriter like Matt Brown. Congrats Ragu!

WEST:
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
LA Tech
UAB

EAST:
Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
FAU
Marshall

By the way, if for some reason Marshall decides to NOT join the AAC (because they do have options), I think the AAC should approach ARMY about that 12th spot. Yes, I know Army left CUSA 1.0 way back in the day because they had trouble being competitive. But things are different now. The AAC 2.0 will be much easier for Army to compete in, AND it already has Navy as a member!! Just imagine the annual ARMY vs NAVY game being an AAC 2.0 conference game. WOW!

(10-08-2021 08:43 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 07:40 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  My educated guess is FAU, UAB, La Tech and Marshall.

Means as much as a guess from Matt Brown who has been wrong plenty before

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Exactly. All are good at football & basketball, and they each fit a specific geographic niche in the East (FAU & Marshall) and West (LA Tech and UAB) AAC, without penetrating any existing AAC members patch.

I've been reading this board for DAYS, wondering when somebody would get a clue and figure this out, and quit listening to a dumbazz sportswriter like Matt Brown. Congrats Ragu!

WEST:
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
LA Tech
UAB

EAST:
Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
FAU
Marshall

By the way, if for some reason Marshall decides to NOT join the AAC (because they do have options), I think the AAC should approach ARMY about that 12th spot. Yes, I know Army left CUSA 1.0 way back in the day because they had trouble being competitive. But things are different now. The AAC 2.0 will be much easier for Army to compete in, AND it already has Navy as a member!! Just imagine the annual ARMY vs NAVY game being an AAC 2.0 conference game. WOW!

I wish I was as confident as you in the options Marshall has. I'm just as worried that Marshall gets left out on an island ourselves.

(10-08-2021 08:43 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  By the way, if for some reason Marshall decides to NOT join the AAC (because they do have options), I think the AAC should approach ARMY about that 12th spot. Yes, I know Army left CUSA 1.0 way back in the day because they had trouble being competitive. But things are different now. The AAC 2.0 will be much easier for Army to compete in, AND it already has Navy as a member!! Just imagine the annual ARMY vs NAVY game being an AAC 2.0 conference game. WOW!

The date of the game would have to be moved then. Since 1984 the game has been played during the first or second week of December when conference championships are going on. And who knows neither school may not want to change that.

(10-08-2021 07:49 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  WKUYG seems bitter about being left behind but that’s just it you haven’t been LEFT BEHIND. Nothing has happened yet or maybe nothing ever will, chill.

Western Kentucky is likely to have more options than UTEP, Middle Tennessee, and Florida International. If anyone should be hoping for CUSA's survival, it's the fans of those three schools.

(10-08-2021 08:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 08:43 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 07:40 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  My educated guess is FAU, UAB, La Tech and Marshall.

Means as much as a guess from Matt Brown who has been wrong plenty before

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Exactly. All are good at football & basketball, and they each fit a specific geographic niche in the East (FAU & Marshall) and West (LA Tech and UAB) AAC, without penetrating any existing AAC members patch.

I've been reading this board for DAYS, wondering when somebody would get a clue and figure this out, and quit listening to a dumbazz sportswriter like Matt Brown. Congrats Ragu!

WEST:
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
LA Tech
UAB

EAST:
Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
FAU
Marshall

By the way, if for some reason Marshall decides to NOT join the AAC (because they do have options), I think the AAC should approach ARMY about that 12th spot. Yes, I know Army left CUSA 1.0 way back in the day because they had trouble being competitive. But things are different now. The AAC 2.0 will be much easier for Army to compete in, AND it already has Navy as a member!! Just imagine the annual ARMY vs NAVY game being an AAC 2.0 conference game. WOW!

I wish I was as confident as you in the options Marshall has. I'm just as worried that Marshall gets left out on an island ourselves.

No way. If Marshall doesn't go AAC, they can easily reorg eastern CUSA and invite JMU and Liberty and a couple more to the party.

Charlotte
MTSU
WKU
Marshall
ODU
FIU
JMU
Liberty
Fordham
Richmond, VCU, William & Mary

That's a very TIGHT eastern based conference, the same kind Marshall and ODU fans have been pining for for the last 2 years.

If it shakes out like that, I have no idea what ODU does. Independent football is fraught with pitfalls even with a handful of indies nearby. The Sun Belt East would be more attractive than the rump CUSA East but enough to pay fees? Assuming the Belt even wants to go east? They’re not a good fit in the MAC, even if JMU came with. Some of our posters want the A-10 but a) apparently there’s a bylaw that prohibits FBS schools from joining and b) even if there wasn’t, why does the A-10 expand from 14. Some want the CAA again but there’s only two schools in the conference I care about, we play both anyway in the OOC and one of them (JMU) might be gone anyway, so.

They’d probably stay but man that is a brutal looking lineup for ODU purposes.

(10-08-2021 08:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 08:43 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 07:40 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  My educated guess is FAU, UAB, La Tech and Marshall.

Means as much as a guess from Matt Brown who has been wrong plenty before

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Exactly. All are good at football & basketball, and they each fit a specific geographic niche in the East (FAU & Marshall) and West (LA Tech and UAB) AAC, without penetrating any existing AAC members patch.

I've been reading this board for DAYS, wondering when somebody would get a clue and figure this out, and quit listening to a dumbazz sportswriter like Matt Brown. Congrats Ragu!

WEST:
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
LA Tech
UAB

EAST:
Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
FAU
Marshall

By the way, if for some reason Marshall decides to NOT join the AAC (because they do have options), I think the AAC should approach ARMY about that 12th spot. Yes, I know Army left CUSA 1.0 way back in the day because they had trouble being competitive. But things are different now. The AAC 2.0 will be much easier for Army to compete in, AND it already has Navy as a member!! Just imagine the annual ARMY vs NAVY game being an AAC 2.0 conference game. WOW!

I wish I was as confident as you in the options Marshall has. I'm just as worried that Marshall gets left out on an island ourselves.

Welcome to our world. No matter what happens, we are on an island (athletically speaking). Thanks, geography.

(10-08-2021 09:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  If it shakes out like that, I have no idea what ODU does. Independent football is fraught with pitfalls even with a handful of indies nearby. The Sun Belt East would be more attractive than the rump CUSA East but enough to pay fees? Assuming the Belt even wants to go east? They’re not a good fit in the MAC, even if JMU came with. Some of our posters want the A-10 but a) apparently there’s a bylaw that prohibits FBS schools from joining and b) even if there wasn’t, why does the A-10 expand from 14. Some want the CAA again but there’s only two schools in the conference I care about, we play both anyway in the OOC and one of them (JMU) might be gone anyway, so.

They’d probably stay but man that is a brutal looking lineup for ODU purposes.

Isnt UMass a member of the A-10?

(10-08-2021 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 09:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  If it shakes out like that, I have no idea what ODU does. Independent football is fraught with pitfalls even with a handful of indies nearby. The Sun Belt East would be more attractive than the rump CUSA East but enough to pay fees? Assuming the Belt even wants to go east? They’re not a good fit in the MAC, even if JMU came with. Some of our posters want the A-10 but a) apparently there’s a bylaw that prohibits FBS schools from joining and b) even if there wasn’t, why does the A-10 expand from 14. Some want the CAA again but there’s only two schools in the conference I care about, we play both anyway in the OOC and one of them (JMU) might be gone anyway, so.

They’d probably stay but man that is a brutal looking lineup for ODU purposes.

Isnt UMass a member of the A-10?

In everything but football, but there's grumblings from Amherst that they may be moving them out....and probably not by choice.

(10-08-2021 06:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:59 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:52 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:44 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If a department head brought me those numbers that spanned 8 years and try to sell me on....

if we just up the budget by 50% and took out all the main hitter and replaced those with programs we complained about playing for the last 3 years. That today with a 50% budget increase those numbers will now all of a sudden increase to cover that extra cost. And do that in a time when more and more people are not spending their money on what we are selling.

I would fire that person on the spot. Does anyone else see it that way and try to set aside your fandom when answering that question? As a businessman this does not make any sense to me...

no matter the names going to the AAC

Some presidents are going to answering some hard questions in 5 years

This is one of the biggest problems the decision makers are facing. They have convinced themselves of this for a few years, and now have to add some of these teams to help stop the bleeding.

TV money and NCAA credits are real. Marshall is in a spread out conference that pays it about 2.2 million with the worst media deal in D1. If we can trade this spread out conference for another spread out conference with the 6th best media deal, potential for multiple NCAA bids, and an extra 3+ million in conference revenue, it’s a complete no brainer.

The additional exposure and teams our fans have heard of would be worth it imo.

Show me where that makes up for the added cost? It sure didnt up till 2012 and CUSA 2.0. All of Marshalls dollars were flat since joining CUSA. Across THE BOARD and if you take into count of inflation. Those numbers are actually down during CUSA 2.0. Even with Houston, S. Miss UCF...

yet some how this time that is going to change. If you decide to actually reply to this post I'm not interested in the Blaaaa Blaaaa Blaaa that you posted a thousand time in the past two weeks. Try to use actual facts to back up your words

Below are the actual facts of when Marshall was playing those same schools and more exposer

adjusted for inflation

You have way too much free time on your hands.

(10-08-2021 07:40 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  My educated guess is FAU, UAB, La Tech and Marshall.

Means as much as a guess from Matt Brown who has been wrong plenty before

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Exactly. All are good at football & basketball, and they each fit a specific geographic niche in the East (FAU & Marshall) and West (LA Tech and UAB) AAC, without penetrating any existing AAC members patch.

I've been reading this board for DAYS, wondering when somebody would get a clue and figure this out, and quit listening to a dumbazz sportswriter like Matt Brown. Congrats Ragu!

WEST:
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
LA Tech
UAB

EAST:
Temple
Navy
ECU
USF
FAU
Marshall

I LOVE IT!

Go in debt, bankrupt the school, whatever just get Marshall football off Facebook

(10-08-2021 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 09:12 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  If it shakes out like that, I have no idea what ODU does. Independent football is fraught with pitfalls even with a handful of indies nearby. The Sun Belt East would be more attractive than the rump CUSA East but enough to pay fees? Assuming the Belt even wants to go east? They’re not a good fit in the MAC, even if JMU came with. Some of our posters want the A-10 but a) apparently there’s a bylaw that prohibits FBS schools from joining and b) even if there wasn’t, why does the A-10 expand from 14. Some want the CAA again but there’s only two schools in the conference I care about, we play both anyway in the OOC and one of them (JMU) might be gone anyway, so.

They’d probably stay but man that is a brutal looking lineup for ODU purposes.

Isnt UMass a member of the A-10?

I’m guessing they were grandfathered, if in fact it’s a bylaw. Richmond, Fordham and Rhode Island are the only other scholarship programs, and no threats to ever move up. Ditto non-scholly Davidson and Dayton.