(10-04-2021 09:51 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:49 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:36 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:30 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:20 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Not sure about the rest but I know there are gays at LU.

Yeah, it only takes one google search to see how great being LGBT at Liberty is great and they are totally tolerant even if they don't support same-sex marriage.

What schools doesn't have a lawsuit or two. What was your search criteria like the exact words was it "Liberty anti gay lawsuits". And why would I look that up it doesn't support my argument and I love agreeing with myself.

I just looked up Liberty University LGBT and those were the first things to pop up.

Nope just checked and I still love agreeing with myself.

Very "Independent" of you.

(10-04-2021 09:51 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Honestly having a bunch of Liberty students come to ECU where the entire student section is drunk by halftime wearing “***** I’m a Pirate” and “Go **** yourself NC State” shirts would probably create some funny scenarios.

Maybe it would be a good thing

LU students might be hammered too. You have to be a straight up Jesus freak not to link up with a sorority chick at University of Lynchburg at a party.

(10-04-2021 09:56 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:51 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:49 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:36 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:30 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Yeah, it only takes one google search to see how great being LGBT at Liberty is great and they are totally tolerant even if they don't support same-sex marriage.

What schools doesn't have a lawsuit or two. What was your search criteria like the exact words was it "Liberty anti gay lawsuits". And why would I look that up it doesn't support my argument and I love agreeing with myself.

I just looked up Liberty University LGBT and those were the first things to pop up.

Nope just checked and I still love agreeing with myself.

Very "Independent" of you.

I do pride myself on my very narrow worldview.

(10-04-2021 09:33 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:19 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:11 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  … the NCAA discovered after SMU that destroying a fanbase and university was a step too far..

It’s a step too far for what happened at SMU. I really don’t believe it’s a step too far for what happened at Penn State.

I get the perspective because the crimes were so abominable. But it still came down to 1 individual culprit who was harshly dealt with by the legal system, and 4 or 5 idiots who chose to stick their heads in the sand instead of accepting the fact their buddy was a pedophile.. IMO it's hard to punish 100s of thousands of fans, students, past, present and future athletes for the crimes of a few that will be shunned forever..

Yes, it is. But it has been done before. I believe it should be done sometimes, and (imho) the Penn State scandals were one of those times. Oh, well.

Tmac13, I’ll leave it there. Thank you for candid-but-civil replies. I have tried to return the favor.

(10-04-2021 09:56 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:51 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Honestly having a bunch of Liberty students come to ECU where the entire student section is drunk by halftime wearing “***** I’m a Pirate” and “Go **** yourself NC State” shirts would probably create some funny scenarios.

Maybe it would be a good thing

LU students might be hammered too. You have to be a straight up Jesus freak not to link up with a sorority chick at University of Lynchburg at a party.

Yeah but if the University of Liberty found out you linked up with a sorority chick theres a good chance you’d be punished. 99% of other universities wouldn’t care.

(10-04-2021 10:07 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:56 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:51 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Honestly having a bunch of Liberty students come to ECU where the entire student section is drunk by halftime wearing “***** I’m a Pirate” and “Go **** yourself NC State” shirts would probably create some funny scenarios.

Maybe it would be a good thing

LU students might be hammered too. You have to be a straight up Jesus freak not to link up with a sorority chick at University of Lynchburg at a party.

Yeah but if the University of Liberty found out you linked up with a sorority chick theres a good chance you’d be punished. 99% of other universities wouldn’t care.

Pfft that only applies to on campus living. After your freshman year you move off campus and they can go screw off. Its the RA's that tell on you your freshman year since you have to live in the dorms.

I don’t understand the angst. I definitely don’t get being up in arms about Liberty, it’s mission statement.

I wouldn’t go to Liberty on a bet. Wouldn’t send my kids there either. But I don’t get bothered by them doing their thing or that people see value in it. Good for them. You do you.

Doesn’t apply across the board obviously but I swear people who don’t like religion comprise the most intolerant idiots on the planet.

(10-04-2021 09:02 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:56 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Nothing says 'really allowing diversity' like Liberty University lol

Who cares what they do? Like I said, don’t go there if you don’t want to.

Hooray for cancel culture.

And the AAC is not telling them what they can or can’t do. The AAC has the right to associate with whoever they want.

Hooray for Choice.

Absolutely correct. If they brought value, they will get invited. If they don’t they won’t. The AAC is like most conferences...a slut for $$.

If they don’t get an invite it won’t be because of an orthodox Christian mission statement.

Curtisc83 opinions are his own. Not very representative of the Liberty folks I know.

So far Indy is working out well. Freeze has a 5 year contract. They have a 4 star redshirt freshman qb on the roster waiting to replace Willis. Willis is a potential #1 NFL selection. Student athletes are thriving on and off the field. Program is just getting started.

(10-04-2021 10:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don’t understand the angst. I definitely don’t get being up in arms about Liberty, it’s mission statement.

I wouldn’t go to Liberty on a bet. Wouldn’t send my kids there either. But I don’t get bothered by them doing their thing or that people see value in it. Good for them. You do you.

Doesn’t apply across the board obviously but I swear people who don’t like religion comprise the most intolerant idiots on the planet.

None of us are saying Liberty doesn't have the right to be a college or nobody should go there. None of us are saying we're against a religious school being in the conference.

But if you're in a conference with a school that school is representing the conference. So you have to take a look at their politics. I repeat again nobody would have a problem with a conservative-leaning school being added.

But Liberty has very extreme politics that actively denounce and try to push away prominent groups in our society. If they want to make that a major part of their school they have all the rights to do it. But it doesn't mean they should represent our conference.

(10-04-2021 10:41 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Curtisc83 opinions are his own. Not very representative of the Liberty folks I know.

So far Indy is working out well. Freeze has a 5 year contract. They have a 4 star redshirt freshman qb on the roster waiting to replace Willis. Willis is a potential #1 NFL selection. Student athletes are thriving on and off the field. Program is just getting started.

Old folks home LU Alum?

(10-04-2021 10:41 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don’t understand the angst. I definitely don’t get being up in arms about Liberty, it’s mission statement.

I wouldn’t go to Liberty on a bet. Wouldn’t send my kids there either. But I don’t get bothered by them doing their thing or that people see value in it. Good for them. You do you.

Doesn’t apply across the board obviously but I swear people who don’t like religion comprise the most intolerant idiots on the planet.

None of us are saying Liberty doesn't have the right to be a college or nobody should go there. None of us are saying we're against a religious school being in the conference.

But if you're in a conference with a school that school is representing the conference. So you have to take a look at their politics. I repeat again nobody would have a problem with a conservative-leaning school being added.

But Liberty has very extreme politics that actively denounce and try to push away prominent groups in our society. If they want to make that a major part of their school they have all the rights to do it. But it doesn't mean they should represent our conference.

You aren’t against a religious school just ones you don’t agree with. Got it.

(10-04-2021 11:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:41 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don’t understand the angst. I definitely don’t get being up in arms about Liberty, it’s mission statement.

I wouldn’t go to Liberty on a bet. Wouldn’t send my kids there either. But I don’t get bothered by them doing their thing or that people see value in it. Good for them. You do you.

Doesn’t apply across the board obviously but I swear people who don’t like religion comprise the most intolerant idiots on the planet.

None of us are saying Liberty doesn't have the right to be a college or nobody should go there. None of us are saying we're against a religious school being in the conference.

But if you're in a conference with a school that school is representing the conference. So you have to take a look at their politics. I repeat again nobody would have a problem with a conservative-leaning school being added.

But Liberty has very extreme politics that actively denounce and try to push away prominent groups in our society. If they want to make that a major part of their school they have all the rights to do it. But it doesn't mean they should represent our conference.

You aren’t against a religious school just ones you don’t agree with. Got it.

I'm against eating jars of mayonnaise

(10-04-2021 11:26 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 11:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:41 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don’t understand the angst. I definitely don’t get being up in arms about Liberty, it’s mission statement.

I wouldn’t go to Liberty on a bet. Wouldn’t send my kids there either. But I don’t get bothered by them doing their thing or that people see value in it. Good for them. You do you.

Doesn’t apply across the board obviously but I swear people who don’t like religion comprise the most intolerant idiots on the planet.

None of us are saying Liberty doesn't have the right to be a college or nobody should go there. None of us are saying we're against a religious school being in the conference.

But if you're in a conference with a school that school is representing the conference. So you have to take a look at their politics. I repeat again nobody would have a problem with a conservative-leaning school being added.

But Liberty has very extreme politics that actively denounce and try to push away prominent groups in our society. If they want to make that a major part of their school they have all the rights to do it. But it doesn't mean they should represent our conference.

You aren’t against a religious school just ones you don’t agree with. Got it.

I'm against eating jars of mayonnaise

You know you got us there that was pretty disgusting

(10-04-2021 01:24 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 11:05 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 10:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:56 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(10-03-2021 09:51 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  I wonder if Liberty posters get tired of going to every conference board to enthusiastically explain why it's messed up that nobody wants them.

I promise you if they had tv ratings to share they would, but they don't. Instead, they all go on stupid rants about how the liberal media is conspiring to stop them from playing football.

Well, actually, the Liberty/Coastal Carolina Cure Bowl got 1.62 million viewers, the highest rated G5 game in recent history, other than Army/San Diego State, but Army is not really a G5.

As for nobody wants them, many on this board do, it's just that the louder more emphatic people on this board are those that don't.

for a second i thought this was ridiculously wrong... but ichecked ythe numbers,, you are still very wrong, but less

wrong.. there are tons of g5 games with 1.6mil every year... you meant to put 2.62 million..
2.62mil is way less common but still isnt the highest in "recent history"

if you add the criterai "g5 vs g5" and say last season (with less games) and this season so far defines "recent" history (was surpassed in the 2019 season a few times).. then you statement is correct then...
but that statement isnt really saying much.. since conference play (g5 vs g5) has really started for this season..and because of covid there were few touted g5 vs g5 games last season

You are correct, I meant 2.62 million. Here is the press release paragraph

Saturday's Liberty-Coastal Carolina Cure Bowl averaged a 1.4 rating and 2.62 million viewers on ESPN, marking the highest rated and most-watched bowl game involving “Group of Five” teams since the 2017 Armed Forces Bowl (Army-SDSU: 3.49M). The Cure Bowl had not previously aired on Nielsen-rated television.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/12...-carolina/

The AAC have had higher ratings for in-season conference games. Our top bowl eligible teams play P5 teams so they don't get caught up in the criteria of G5 vs G5.

It's a good number but my understanding is your normal ratings are closer to a CUSA school's than an AAC school.

I did want to circle back to this point to get some data out there, even if the thread as a whole has been moved to Off Topic.

2.62 million viewers for a bowl game. That's good. But honestly not great.

One point from the AAC perspective - as noted above, we have multiple bowl games every year vs the contract-bowl-conference schools that surpass that. That 2.62 million is "biggest since" because it was two non-contract-bowl-conference, but it wouldn't attract much notice at all amongst AAC Bowl Numbers. I don't even have to get to the numerous NY6 Bowls - Military Bowl and Fenway Bowl against the ACC every year; our Liberty Bowl appearances are because of a backup deal; looks like some of our AAC-autonomy conference bowl matchups are now in the "bowl pool" but I'll bet we'll still be at the head of the "bowl pool" line for those games with an autonomy conference opponent. I'm sure mwc feel similarly about having their former-LV-Bowl-now-Jimmy-Kimmel-Los-Angeles Bowl definite matchup with the PAC12, and the MAC with the Detroit Bowl. Looking back to that earlier 2017 used as
"biggest since", here's a quick list of AAC bowls besting that 2.62 million, without even listing the NY6 Bowls:
2019 Navy K-State Liberty Bowl 3.33 million
2018 Cincinnati VaTech Military Bowl 2.66 million
2017 USF Texas Tech Birmingham Bowl 3.397 million
2017 Memphis Iowa State Liberty Bowl 3.438

Second major point - bowls get what they're gonna get for ratings/viewers based on timeslot. I could lay down a pretty accurate projection of ordinal rankings of bowl viewership before the matchups are even made. How did that game do vs other Cure Bowls? Can't say - Cure had previously been on CBSSN. How did that game do vs other 26 December primetime ESPN games? Not so good. Looking in the same time window, lower viewership than that day-after-Christmas ESPN slot in 2019 (Pitt-EMU Quick Lane Bowl 3.05million), 2018 (9 pm TCU-Cal Cactus Bowl 2.7 million and 5:15 pm Minn-GT Detroit Bowl 2.686 million), and 2017 (9pm KState-UCLA Cactus Bowl 3.261 million, but you DID beat the 5:15 pm start Duke-NorthernIllinois Detroit Bowl by 100,000).

Third major point - bowl ratings don't really get you too much. Maybe better bowl deals (see Military Bowl, Fenway Bowl, Liberty Bowl discussion above), but whether you're an independent or a conference, they don't factor much into the much bigger money of a primary media rights deal - that's all about conference inventory. 2015-2020 the AAC has had 11 conference inventory games over 3 million viewers -- 7 of those have been AAC vs AAC (several CCGs, some war on I4, Navy-Houston in '15...) 2.62 million in a bowl? Okay. That definitely falls well short of making you a must-have for the AAC.

Fascinating how some folks who were clamoring for BYU are so dead set against Liberty. That's just an astonishing inconsistency.

For all you who say that the conference has no requirement to add any school... you are right. But, if Liberty someday ends up being a top tier candidate in almost EVERY metric... Eyeballs on TV, P5 wins, attendance, etc etc... and if the ONLY reason you don't add them is because you don't like their religion... I hate to tell you what that's called.

Can't be tolerant and intolerant at the same time... or perhaps you can these days...

(10-04-2021 01:07 PM)Bull Wrote:  Can't be tolerant and intolerant at the same time... or perhaps you can these days...

And Liberty kicking a student out of he because he waa seen holding hands and kissing with another man is tolerant? I don’t see any other Christian university doing this.

BYU has an LGBT student resources office and other things, if a student tried to start just a LGBT club at Liberty it’d be shut down in a heartbeat.

(10-04-2021 01:07 PM)Bull Wrote:  Fascinating how some folks who were clamoring for BYU are so dead set against Liberty. That's just an astonishing inconsistency.

For all you who say that the conference has no requirement to add any school... you are right. But, if Liberty someday ends up being a top tier candidate in almost EVERY metric... Eyeballs on TV, P5 wins, attendance, etc etc... and if the ONLY reason you don't add them is because you don't like their religion... I hate to tell you what that's called.

Can't be tolerant and intolerant at the same time... or perhaps you can these days...

Well, you're in luck.
Liberty actually doesn't deliver eyeballs on TV.
Liberty's attendance would be dead last in the 11-team or 8-team AAC lineup (they did get 56 more people per game than UConn, though).
And as far as wins....well, jury is still out. Gaudy record last year, but you know why 10-1 they were still down as low as #29 in the Massey Composite? That bowl win over Coastal was the FIRST FBS team with a winning record they beat.

(10-04-2021 01:46 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 01:07 PM)Bull Wrote:  Fascinating how some folks who were clamoring for BYU are so dead set against Liberty. That's just an astonishing inconsistency.

For all you who say that the conference has no requirement to add any school... you are right. But, if Liberty someday ends up being a top tier candidate in almost EVERY metric... Eyeballs on TV, P5 wins, attendance, etc etc... and if the ONLY reason you don't add them is because you don't like their religion... I hate to tell you what that's called.

Can't be tolerant and intolerant at the same time... or perhaps you can these days...

Well, you're in luck.
Liberty actually doesn't deliver eyeballs on TV.
Liberty's attendance would be dead last in the 11-team or 8-team AAC lineup (they did get 56 more people per game than UConn, though).
And as far as wins....well, jury is still out. Gaudy record last year, but you know why 10-1 they were still down as low as #29 in the Massey Composite? That bowl win over Coastal was the FIRST FBS team with a winning record they beat.

Pfft... stupid facts...

(10-04-2021 01:34 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 01:07 PM)Bull Wrote:  Can't be tolerant and intolerant at the same time... or perhaps you can these days...

And Liberty kicking a student out of he because he waa seen holding hands and kissing with another man is tolerant? I don’t see any other Christian university doing this.

BYU has an LGBT student resources office and other things, if a student tried to start just a LGBT club at Liberty it’d be shut down in a heartbeat.

Which would likely impact the student body who have chosen to attend that school about 0.0%.