(09-28-2021 09:26 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE

Incredibly sound practice for one of the nations highest infection rates. I recommended this a year ago. Some of you guys royally roasted me and implied Covid was a hoax. Rights being violated and the usual mantra. World coming to an end. I expect it again.

...and we were right then----and we are right now

"Now starting at Center for your Montreal Grizzlies..."

(09-28-2021 08:15 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:05 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:50 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Are you talking about the CONSTITUTION or BILL OF RIGHTS

Lol...

Are you a strict constitutionalist or are you taking liberties with interpretations.

Which one of those old out dated pieces of paper are you speaking of-----I thought AMERICA was built on a strict constitution ---we have turned our back on both

Oh get the shots dufus ... Best Tiger hoops in forever and your being a big baby. Probably save your life while your at it !!

This is bigger and more important than a friggin BB game---I hope 20 years from now you are fine after taking it-------Me no thanks--I won't take it

So make us a list of which vaccines are ok and which ones violate your pretend rights.

(09-28-2021 09:29 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:15 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:05 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:50 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Lol...

Are you a strict constitutionalist or are you taking liberties with interpretations.

Which one of those old out dated pieces of paper are you speaking of-----I thought AMERICA was built on a strict constitution ---we have turned our back on both

Oh get the shots dufus ... Best Tiger hoops in forever and your being a big baby. Probably save your life while your at it !!

This is bigger and more important than a friggin BB game---I hope 20 years from now you are fine after taking it-------Me no thanks--I won't take it

So make us a list of which vaccines are ok and which ones violate your pretend rights.

These are not vaccines in the true sense of the word vaccine

Too much low hanging fruit on this vine

Some of your arguments woukd mean you disagree with school zone speed limits, required vaccinations that nearly all of you received to attend school, fire codes and more.

Vaccinated people are less likely to spread the disease as well. Look it up.

Suddenly those against an incredibly simple and unobtrusive safety measure want it to be 100%? Seat belts save lives. But some people still get hurt even if wearing them.

I will not revisit this thread because the bile sure to come is painfully predictable. And so much of it just so wrong. This public health crisis has pushed the need for some measures. Your hero got vaccinated people. While he enjoys seeing you die for no cause.

Done here.

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 06:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If this was really about keeping people safe, they would require neg tests for everyone. Its almost like they actually believe being vaxxed means you dont have covid.

Someone get the governor on the phone and tell him to shut this NYC crap down.

it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

The point of a vaccine is not to (and cannot) 100% prevent being infected or prevent spreading it. It can reduce your chances, and decrease the seriousness of illness as you mentioned. But the other part of it is to create herd immunity. Not everyone will get COVID. So being able to vaccine en masse with those who can have antibodies from having had covid helps create the herd immunity that’s desperately wanted. It also helps mitigate the speed at which the virus will mutate - but by not getting the majority of people vaccinated, and more people carrying the base covid-19 virus gives it more hosts to mutate.

So it helps do multiple things en masse that just catching it and hoping you don’t die from it will do. We are fortunate coronaviruses do not mutate as fast as influenza viruses, and we’re only dealing with Delta variant, but that will change as less people get vaccinated out of uneducated paranoia. Being anti-government is a distinctly different argument than being anti-science.

(09-28-2021 07:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:34 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is it really that hard...

Bunch of complainers.

Are you talking about the CONSTITUTION or BILL OF RIGHTS

Fortunately, while both those give you the right to choose (despite we all knowing you’ve probably had dozens of vaccines of things you’ve no knowledge of), it also gives private businesses and venues the same choices.

(09-28-2021 09:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:10 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 06:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If this was really about keeping people safe, they would require neg tests for everyone. Its almost like they actually believe being vaxxed means you dont have covid.

Someone get the governor on the phone and tell him to shut this NYC crap down.

it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

Ok ... Do you realize Danton Barto is gone. Before he died he said "I was wrong, I should have got the shots." Study that.

You do realize there are examples/cases that are just the opposite that family have told family---that took the shot started having complications --some even dying --that told family don't take it

I'm not aware of any. Not one. Really man, get the shots. I won't tell nobody. Are you married. Kids ??? They're gonna need you around. Nashville conservative talk show Phil Valentine ... Dude was JUST LIKE YOU man ... every reason you and others have on MTorg ... then ... Listeners !!! I got Covid and God I wish I had gotten the shots. I was wrong people. Get the shots.
He's gone too. There are thousands of I was wrong testimonials out there.
I won't tell man ... I promise.

(09-28-2021 09:32 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:29 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:15 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:05 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:50 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Which one of those old out dated pieces of paper are you speaking of-----I thought AMERICA was built on a strict constitution ---we have turned our back on both

Oh get the shots dufus ... Best Tiger hoops in forever and your being a big baby. Probably save your life while your at it !!

This is bigger and more important than a friggin BB game---I hope 20 years from now you are fine after taking it-------Me no thanks--I won't take it

So make us a list of which vaccines are ok and which ones violate your pretend rights.

These are not vaccines in the true sense of the word vaccine

Yes, it is a vaccine in true sense of a vaccine. Using your body as means to create the antibodies whether through a unlive version of the virus, or using mRNA, doesn’t negate what it does and meant for. The definition of vaccine is not about the type of vaccine and its technical working. It is a vaccine, by definition. It simply is a new way to vaccinate that opens the door for a lot of great potential and the scientists who developed it should be praised.


vac·cine
/vakˈsēn/
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

(09-28-2021 09:37 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 06:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If this was really about keeping people safe, they would require neg tests for everyone. Its almost like they actually believe being vaxxed means you dont have covid.

Someone get the governor on the phone and tell him to shut this NYC crap down.

it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

The point of a vaccine is not to (and cannot) 100% prevent being infected or prevent spreading it. It can reduce your chances, and decrease the seriousness of illness as you mentioned. But the other part of it is to create herd immunity. Not everyone will get COVID. So being able to vaccine en masse with those who can have antibodies from having had covid helps create the herd immunity that’s desperately wanted. It also helps mitigate the speed at which the virus will mutate - but by not getting the majority of people vaccinated, and more people carrying the base covid-19 virus gives it more hosts to mutate.

So it helps do multiple things en masse that just catching it and hoping you don’t die from it will do. We are fortunate coronaviruses do not mutate as fast as influenza viruses, and we’re only dealing with Delta variant, but that will change as less people get vaccinated out of uneducated paranoia. Being anti-government is a distinctly different argument than being anti-science.

There are those that believe in exact opposite as you stated ----some think more will get vaccinated because of UNEDUCATED paranoia---you know LEMMINGS and SHEEPLE believing everything that spews out of the government and KING FAUCI mouths

(09-28-2021 09:44 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:37 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 06:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If this was really about keeping people safe, they would require neg tests for everyone. Its almost like they actually believe being vaxxed means you dont have covid.

Someone get the governor on the phone and tell him to shut this NYC crap down.

it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

The point of a vaccine is not to (and cannot) 100% prevent being infected or prevent spreading it. It can reduce your chances, and decrease the seriousness of illness as you mentioned. But the other part of it is to create herd immunity. Not everyone will get COVID. So being able to vaccine en masse with those who can have antibodies from having had covid helps create the herd immunity that’s desperately wanted. It also helps mitigate the speed at which the virus will mutate - but by not getting the majority of people vaccinated, and more people carrying the base covid-19 virus gives it more hosts to mutate.

So it helps do multiple things en masse that just catching it and hoping you don’t die from it will do. We are fortunate coronaviruses do not mutate as fast as influenza viruses, and we’re only dealing with Delta variant, but that will change as less people get vaccinated out of uneducated paranoia. Being anti-government is a distinctly different argument than being anti-science.

There are those that believe in exact opposite as you stated ----some think more will get vaccinated because of UNEDUCATED paranoia---you know LEMMINGS and SHEEPLE

And those that believe that are uneducated imbeciles who would rather pretend to be rebellious and ignorant rather than paying attention to reality and the literal history of vaccinations.

This is evidence that your vaccines don't work. Why are you vaccinated ignoring this? Based on this article the vaccinated are spreading the virus. Winter is coming
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-bus...-covid-19/

(09-28-2021 07:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Things might change when the time comes but as of right now I am saying.. While I am fully vaccinated, I wont attend any games in the Fedex Forum while this policy is in effect.

My wife and I just went today and got refunds from Florida Studio Theaters for our season tickets, which we have had for years, because of these stupid requirements.
The theaters offer all live performances of musicals, plays, and entertainment such as
The Jersey Boys, Million Dollar Quartet, etc. Great shows but we refuse to be dictated to do this.

(09-28-2021 09:39 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:18 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:10 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

Ok ... Do you realize Danton Barto is gone. Before he died he said "I was wrong, I should have got the shots." Study that.

You do realize there are examples/cases that are just the opposite that family have told family---that took the shot started having complications --some even dying --that told family don't take it

I'm not aware of any. Not one. Really man, get the shots. I won't tell nobody. Are you married. Kids ??? They're gonna need you around. Nashville conservative talk show Phil Valentine ... Dude was JUST LIKE YOU man ... every reason you and others have on MTorg ... then ... Listeners !!! I got Covid and God I wish I had gotten the shots. I was wrong people. Get the shots.
He's gone too. There are thousands of I was wrong testimonials out there.
I won't tell man ... I promise.

Dude I said you had the right to get the shot----STOP imposing on my rights NOT TO GET THE SHOT---show me the same respect and stop telling me to put aborted fetal tissue in my body

(09-28-2021 07:34 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is it really that hard...

Bunch of complainers.

Not if you are a lemming !!!!

(09-28-2021 09:44 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:37 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 06:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If this was really about keeping people safe, they would require neg tests for everyone. Its almost like they actually believe being vaxxed means you dont have covid.

Someone get the governor on the phone and tell him to shut this NYC crap down.

it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

The point of a vaccine is not to (and cannot) 100% prevent being infected or prevent spreading it. It can reduce your chances, and decrease the seriousness of illness as you mentioned. But the other part of it is to create herd immunity. Not everyone will get COVID. So being able to vaccine en masse with those who can have antibodies from having had covid helps create the herd immunity that’s desperately wanted. It also helps mitigate the speed at which the virus will mutate - but by not getting the majority of people vaccinated, and more people carrying the base covid-19 virus gives it more hosts to mutate.

So it helps do multiple things en masse that just catching it and hoping you don’t die from it will do. We are fortunate coronaviruses do not mutate as fast as influenza viruses, and we’re only dealing with Delta variant, but that will change as less people get vaccinated out of uneducated paranoia. Being anti-government is a distinctly different argument than being anti-science.

There are those that believe in exact opposite as you stated ----some think more will get vaccinated because of UNEDUCATED paranoia---you know LEMMINGS and SHEEPLE believing everything that spews out of the government and KING FAUCI mouths

Ok man ... Read Phil's wiki ... All the same arguments you have. Then send me some counter point case and I'll read it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Valentine

(09-28-2021 09:47 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:44 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:37 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:21 PM)steves Wrote:  it's about getting rid of this damn pandemic man ... Your Governor says ... Get the shots dummy !!! He did !!! He's against masks ... Not shots !!! And you don't have to wear a mask !!
Danton Barto and Phil Valentine said it too. These guys were real healthy and BOOM. I mean REALLY !!!

"..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

The point of a vaccine is not to (and cannot) 100% prevent being infected or prevent spreading it. It can reduce your chances, and decrease the seriousness of illness as you mentioned. But the other part of it is to create herd immunity. Not everyone will get COVID. So being able to vaccine en masse with those who can have antibodies from having had covid helps create the herd immunity that’s desperately wanted. It also helps mitigate the speed at which the virus will mutate - but by not getting the majority of people vaccinated, and more people carrying the base covid-19 virus gives it more hosts to mutate.

So it helps do multiple things en masse that just catching it and hoping you don’t die from it will do. We are fortunate coronaviruses do not mutate as fast as influenza viruses, and we’re only dealing with Delta variant, but that will change as less people get vaccinated out of uneducated paranoia. Being anti-government is a distinctly different argument than being anti-science.

There are those that believe in exact opposite as you stated ----some think more will get vaccinated because of UNEDUCATED paranoia---you know LEMMINGS and SHEEPLE

And those that believe that are uneducated imbeciles who would rather pretend to be rebellious and ignorant rather than paying attention to reality and the literal history of vaccinations.

There is no history of mRNA vaccines prior to the covid19 vaccine for general public use. Further, Fauci, the CDC & FDA promoted its development as a preventative. It is not. The government indicated there would be few breakthru cases, there are many. In Israel with the highest vaccinated rate in the world, they have seen a significant surge in cases & a large increase in hospitalizations even among the vaccinated. Now, our government is pushing a "booster" of the same vaccine that doesn't prevent infection that will also wain in effectiveness & is pushing the vaccine for children who have less danger of serious illness that catching the flu. There is no science in these directives. We need to be focused on therapeutics & there are many being held up by government bureaucracy.

(09-28-2021 09:57 PM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:34 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is it really that hard...

Bunch of complainers.

Not if you are a lemming !!!!

LOL

(09-28-2021 09:54 PM)Crazier Wrote:  This is evidence that your vaccines don't work. Why are you vaccinated ignoring this? Based on this article the vaccinated are spreading the virus. Winter is coming
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-bus...-covid-19/

Breakthrough cases does not equal vaccine not working. Once again, no one ever in history has said “vaccines prevents 100% of infections.” They can mitigate spread, help slowdown mutation in the viruses that are resistant, and helps create herd immunity. But breakthrough cases still present such an insanely small percentage of cases (and even smaller for those who die from the cases).

Everyone has their right to choose and I am for that. But the spread of poor conclusions because of random headlines is becoming too common among everyone who is trying to gotcha instead of doing some real critical thinking.

(09-28-2021 09:59 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:47 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:44 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:37 PM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  "..... getting rid of the pandemic...? You do realize there is increasing evidence that the vaccine doesnt stop infection or transmission rather it simple reduces the seriousness of the infection in those who have not previously been infected - and we still don't know long term affects of the vaccine. Studies show previously infected persons have the most robust antibodies & the best protection against re-infection but the government ignores the evidence & wants them vaccinated too. Whatever happened to "follow the science"?

The point of a vaccine is not to (and cannot) 100% prevent being infected or prevent spreading it. It can reduce your chances, and decrease the seriousness of illness as you mentioned. But the other part of it is to create herd immunity. Not everyone will get COVID. So being able to vaccine en masse with those who can have antibodies from having had covid helps create the herd immunity that’s desperately wanted. It also helps mitigate the speed at which the virus will mutate - but by not getting the majority of people vaccinated, and more people carrying the base covid-19 virus gives it more hosts to mutate.

So it helps do multiple things en masse that just catching it and hoping you don’t die from it will do. We are fortunate coronaviruses do not mutate as fast as influenza viruses, and we’re only dealing with Delta variant, but that will change as less people get vaccinated out of uneducated paranoia. Being anti-government is a distinctly different argument than being anti-science.

There are those that believe in exact opposite as you stated ----some think more will get vaccinated because of UNEDUCATED paranoia---you know LEMMINGS and SHEEPLE

And those that believe that are uneducated imbeciles who would rather pretend to be rebellious and ignorant rather than paying attention to reality and the literal history of vaccinations.

There is no history of mRNA vaccines prior to the covid19 vaccine for general public use.

There has been research done on it for about 30 years however, and have had human testing recently. Pfizer and Moderna did the proper protocols for testing their vaccines. It was sped up due to less red tape thanks yo Trump (one of the few good things he actually did).

But the issue here is the misinformation spread about mRNA and how it works and idiots who think their DNA is being altered.

It’s okay to question. It’s not okay to be purposely obtuse.