(09-27-2021 08:47 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Who cares about a Michigan State transfer, unless he's coming to Eastern, which I doubt.

Ken, my friend.

This transfer is a CASE STUDY (n=1) of what is or could happen in CFB.

Like when we see a hospital ER overrun with Covid cases do we dismiss it, as "not in my city?" Not important. Doesn't effect me.

The key elements here are two fold:

1). The real presence of the transfer portal which apparently will continue to be active again this year,

2). The 4-game redshirt rule. After game #4, "Adios coach" I'm redshirting and will transfer.

Where he goes is almost irrelevant to scores of FBS/FCS schools.. I don't care if he goes to Alabama, Jackson State (to play for Coach Prime), Florida (lot of mild winters there), etc.

The larger point is that what he is doing, others may also do.

Dear steve,
While I will agree with your key elements, unless or until it effects Eastern, it's something that no one has any control over. So, why talk about Michigan State transfers when it does not effect Eastern?
Your statement about Covid does not fit in the same category as football transfers,, and should not be used as a comparison.

(09-27-2021 09:53 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
While I will agree with your key elements, unless or until it effects Eastern, it's something that no one has any control over. So, why talk about Michigan State transfers when it does not effect Eastern?
Your statement about Covid does not fit in the same category as football transfers,, and should not be used as a comparison.

I think it is indicative of a potential trend in college football. You have the guys at Michigan State. Then this past weekend there was the guy at Ohio State who quit the team mid-game. Gotta think knowing the transfer portal is open played a part in that. Plus OSU had lost another LB to the transfer portal earlier that week.

It seems if a player is not happy because they aren't getting the playtime they think they should, they are bailing from a program instead of working harder to earn their way onto the field.

Coch Day made the following comment that I think hits it head-on, "In today's day and age, guys can leave after four games because they can redshirt, and then if they want to go into the [transfer] portal, that's their prerogative. I have a hard time with that because I think when you make a commitment to a team at the beginning of the year, you make a commitment to Ohio State, to the Buckeyes — that's what you do."

(09-27-2021 10:28 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 09:53 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
While I will agree with your key elements, unless or until it effects Eastern, it's something that no one has any control over. So, why talk about Michigan State transfers when it does not effect Eastern?
Your statement about Covid does not fit in the same category as football transfers,, and should not be used as a comparison.

I think it is indicative of a potential trend in college football. You have the guys at Michigan State. Then this past weekend there was the guy at Ohio State who quit the team mid-game. Gotta think knowing the transfer portal is open played a part in that. Plus OSU had lost another LB to the transfer portal earlier that week.

It seems if a player is not happy because they aren't getting the playtime they think they should, they are bailing from a program instead of working harder to earn their way onto the field.

Coch Day made the following comment that I think hits it head-on, "In today's day and age, guys can leave after four games because they can redshirt, and then if they want to go into the [transfer] portal, that's their prerogative. I have a hard time with that because I think when you make a commitment to a team at the beginning of the year, you make a commitment to Ohio State, to the Buckeyes — that's what you do."

Well stated... The OSU player didn't even give 'two weeks notice' like is customary in the real world.

(Before I retired I gave 6 weeks notice and they posted my position before I retired. I saw an employment contract for a professional through health care agency. 30 days either way - employer or consultant employee).

Yes, that 4-game redshirt + transfer portal can sure be tempting to a unhappy student - athlete.

Our starting QB and leading RB are both transfers. lets not start with the falling sky nonsense again.

(09-27-2021 01:07 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  Our starting QB and leading RB are both transfers. lets not start with the falling sky nonsense again.

Yes, but I believed they each transferred during the off-season. I'm not sure if we have anyone who pulled the plug and transferred mid-season. That's where my concern lies. Paraphrasing Coach Day, if you make the initial commitment for the year, you should stick it for the year. I have no problem with athletes transferring between seasons. When you walk off the field and quit the team halfway through a game, that becomes an issue.

(09-27-2021 01:13 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 01:07 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  Our starting QB and leading RB are both transfers. lets not start with the falling sky nonsense again.

Yes, but I believed they each transferred during the off-season. I'm not sure if we have anyone who pulled the plug and transferred mid-season. That's where my concern lies. Paraphrasing Coach Day, if you make the initial commitment for the year, you should stick it for the year. I have no problem with athletes transferring between seasons. When you walk off the field and quit the team halfway through a game, that becomes an issue.

yeah i mean i dont expect either of those guys to play again until next year. theyre making the right call for their eligibility.

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

*sigh*

(09-27-2021 03:34 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

*sigh*

Your dad taught you it was okay to quit on teammates during a season? Did you ever play football? Rhetorical question. Let's move on.

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

Let me put the student back in student-athlete.

When I worked, the rule of thumb (ROT, as DP would say... ) was 14-days.
I'm not here to debate 14 days, 30 days (in some contracts), etc.

Putting the STUDENT back in. The student needs to complete the academic semester. He needs to get a new school and hopefully get a scholarship for 2nd semester. I don't know if a player can be on athletic scholarship at TWO schools in the SAME academic year. I think he can and the first can not be reused. Once a player has it it can't be 're-issued' at mid-year. The new school has to have an available, non-issued scholarship for the previous year ala a mid-year JUCO transfer.

This is NOT like an employee at even a professional job who gives his 14 day notice, moves on, and has a new salary to replace the old salary.

(09-27-2021 04:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

Let me put the student back in student-athlete.

When I worked, the rule of thumb (ROT, as DP would say... ) was 14-days.
I'm not here to debate 14 days, 30 days (in some contracts), etc.

Putting the STUDENT back in. The student needs to complete the academic semester. He needs to get a new school and hopefully get a scholarship for 2nd semester. I don't know if a player can be on athletic scholarship at TWO schools in the SAME academic year. I think he can and the first can not be reused. Once a player has it it can't be 're-issued' at mid-year. The new school has to have an available, non-issued scholarship for the previous year ala a mid-year JUCO transfer.

This is NOT like an employee at even a professional job who gives his 14 day notice, moves on, and has a new salary to replace the old salary.

you think coaches give kids 2 weeks notice when they pull scholarships or cut them?

players shouldnt have to tolerate any nonsense that they dont want to. if theres a market for their talent theyll land somewhere. if there isnt they wont.

i would again point out our starting QB and top two RBs are transfers. stop being old men yelling at clouds.

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

On a ranked, undefeated team after a big victory? Both players got playing time, I noticed Gervin because of his last name on his back and Kline made some plays. You mean to tell me, because they don't start, they'd rather transfer than support their "brothers" who beat them out fairly? Mel Tucker or any coach is going to play anyone who gives their team the best chance to win. Period. Do they not understand that there is plenty of time to win more playing time and that injuries happen in football? I can't wait til these softies have to get real jobs.

(09-28-2021 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

On a ranked, undefeated team after a big victory? Both players got playing time, I noticed Gervin because of his last name on his back and Kline made some plays. You mean to tell me, because they don't start, they'd rather transfer than support their "brothers" who beat them out fairly? Mel Tucker or any coach is going to play anyone who gives their team the best chance to win. Period. Do they not understand that there is plenty of time to win more playing time and that injuries happen in football? I can't wait til these softies have to get real jobs.

you know people are allowed to quit real jobs if they dont like them right?

(09-28-2021 09:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 05:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.freep.com/story/sports/colle...879730001/

This is crazy. Transferring mid-season from a nationally ranked team????

And they are playing, too.

I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

On a ranked, undefeated team after a big victory? Both players got playing time, I noticed Gervin because of his last name on his back and Kline made some plays. You mean to tell me, because they don't start, they'd rather transfer than support their "brothers" who beat them out fairly? Mel Tucker or any coach is going to play anyone who gives their team the best chance to win. Period. Do they not understand that there is plenty of time to win more playing time and that injuries happen in football? I can't wait til these softies have to get real jobs.

you know people are allowed to quit real jobs if they dont like them right?

Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 02:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I noticed both those guys while watching the Nebraska game. What is going on with players? A little adversity and people are taking their ball and going home. No offense but kids today are acting like a bunch of entitled wussies. Pretty soon, college sports are going to become completely unwatchable.

Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

On a ranked, undefeated team after a big victory? Both players got playing time, I noticed Gervin because of his last name on his back and Kline made some plays. You mean to tell me, because they don't start, they'd rather transfer than support their "brothers" who beat them out fairly? Mel Tucker or any coach is going to play anyone who gives their team the best chance to win. Period. Do they not understand that there is plenty of time to win more playing time and that injuries happen in football? I can't wait til these softies have to get real jobs.

you know people are allowed to quit real jobs if they dont like them right?

Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(09-27-2021 04:45 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Not to sound like a crotchety old get-off-my-lawn kinda guy, but, the younger generation does not adapt to adversity very well. Too many years of lawnmower parenting.

A colleague pointed out that some of these kids may be transferring early so that they can get ahead of the current High School seniors. That part makes sense.

On a ranked, undefeated team after a big victory? Both players got playing time, I noticed Gervin because of his last name on his back and Kline made some plays. You mean to tell me, because they don't start, they'd rather transfer than support their "brothers" who beat them out fairly? Mel Tucker or any coach is going to play anyone who gives their team the best chance to win. Period. Do they not understand that there is plenty of time to win more playing time and that injuries happen in football? I can't wait til these softies have to get real jobs.

you know people are allowed to quit real jobs if they dont like them right?

Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  On a ranked, undefeated team after a big victory? Both players got playing time, I noticed Gervin because of his last name on his back and Kline made some plays. You mean to tell me, because they don't start, they'd rather transfer than support their "brothers" who beat them out fairly? Mel Tucker or any coach is going to play anyone who gives their team the best chance to win. Period. Do they not understand that there is plenty of time to win more playing time and that injuries happen in football? I can't wait til these softies have to get real jobs.

you know people are allowed to quit real jobs if they dont like them right?

Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

(09-28-2021 01:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 01:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:33 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 11:22 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 09:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  you know people are allowed to quit real jobs if they dont like them right?

Rather than argue among ourselves, the NCAA actually 'caused' this by setting up a situation with a really bad unintended consequence, quitting a team during the season to preserve a redshirt and transferring.

Once again, DP, a lot of players will get HURT by this. College sports are a true market place with a finite (or maybe almost infinite?) supply of wannabe D-I players* AND a finite demand for those same players.

Take the number of FBS teams x 85 scholarships and that is the 'demand' for FBS scholarship players.

As we learned, a number of our transferees did not do well for themselves.

There might be 130 FBS teams x 85 scholarships or say 11K FBS scholarships but maybe 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 times as many h.s. players who think they are good enough to play FBS FB.

Can be messy.

i dont see how this will hurt players. if youre one of the 11k players who should be FBS you should have the right to move to a school more in line with your talents / skills. that means moving up or moving down into better situations. as for the players who think theyre good enough for FBS but arent? how do they factor in? they shouldnt be FBS then dont offer them scholarships to be FBS.

I dont know how anyone on this board can be whining about the new transfer rules when again i have to point out that our STARTING QUARTERBACK and TOP TWO RUNNINGBACKS are transfers. its like im taking crazy pills.

1). Many players will make mistakes. At their age, it is easy to not understand risk.

2). Your second paragraph is pure malarkey. NO ONE is arguing against a reasonable transfer policy. We are arguing that transferring during a game or during a season is not wise.

We are talking transfer PARMATERS for the NCAA's transfer policy. No rights are absolute. The town drunk can't take his gun and go in the public square and waive it and yell, "freedom, freedom..."

Players arent transferring mid game or mid season - theyre deciding TO transfer mid game and mid season - but they wont move on until the next year. this is a good way to maintain eligibility so they dont burn their redshirts.

as for 18 year olds not understanding risk - believe me i know i got a philosophy degree

I really hope you don't actually think this is the proper way to conduct 'business': suit up and play a football game and then announce that you are leaving the team the next day. Obviously, they probably gave no heads up to their coaches or teammates, they just left them in a lurch. If that is how you operate, I sure as hell would not want to be in a foxhole with you or ever have to rely on you as a teammate or coworker. Steve is 100% correct in that the unintended consequences are absolutely dire for everyone involved.