Alright, I did two searches on travelmath.com…

The flight time from Colorado Springs, Colorado to Honolulu, Hawaii is:

7 hours, 12 minutes

The flight time from Colorado Springs, Colorado to Greenville, North Carolina is:

3 hours, 33 minutes

(09-21-2021 09:11 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:25 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Its football only at most a trip every other year to paradise for a divisional foe . Less for the other division gives Hawaii more exposure .

That doesn't make it more affordable.

But you get a 13th game and can play Week 0.

(09-22-2021 06:10 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:11 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:25 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Its football only at most a trip every other year to paradise for a divisional foe . Less for the other division gives Hawaii more exposure .

That doesn't make it more affordable.

But you get a 13th game and can play Week 0.

Only one team a year can play Hawaii Week 0.

(09-21-2021 08:08 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  They fit the P6 type of school flagship strong academics.
They have a new stadium on the way and some historical success.
They already are football only in their football conference.
Seems like an easy add that hurts the MWC and might help get some others .

(09-22-2021 06:20 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 06:10 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 09:11 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:25 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Its football only at most a trip every other year to paradise for a divisional foe . Less for the other division gives Hawaii more exposure .

That doesn't make it more affordable.

But you get a 13th game and can play Week 0.

Only one team a year can play Hawaii Week 0.

That’s not how it works. In addition to UH and its opponent playing in Week 0, every team that agrees to play an away game at UH during any point of the season is entitled to a Week 0 game.

That’s why you see six or seven Week 0 games every August, with most involving MWC teams. They’re all scheduled to play at UH that season.

And the Week 0 game doesn’t have to be a 13th game. You have the alternative of using the early season start to give yourself a second bye weekend. That’s why UH has been able to land so many home-and-home deals with Pac-12 schools. They get UH at home during a normal 12-game one-bye season. Then during the season they play the return game in Honolulu (on any weekend before conference play begins), they play their first game in Week 0 and instead of adding a 13th game they add a second bye to their schedule (often the weekend following their return from the Islands).

(09-22-2021 12:13 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Thanks but no thanks. (That's the polite version of my reaction.)

I know that realistically nobody other than the MWC wants us, but just as an academic discussion, there's no way UH would join a conference other than the MWC or the Pac-12 unless it was for power conference money. An extra million or three wouldn't be enough to induce us to play football games five or six time zones and 10 to 12 hours of travel away. Three to four time zones and 5 to 8 hours of travel in each direction is plenty already.

Moreover all of our historical rivals are in the MWC except BYU. We've played Fresno State 53 times, San Jose State 44 times, San Diego State 35 times and UNLV 30 times. We're exactly where we should be in the MWC west division and no desire to be anywhere else that doesn't pay $25 million or more per year.

Fully understand and fully agree.

(09-22-2021 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:08 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  They fit the P6 type of school flagship strong academics.
They have a new stadium on the way and some historical success.
They already are football only in their football conference.
Seems like an easy add that hurts the MWC and might help get some others .

Ok, why not the other flagships like Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada etc? I respect Hawaii a lot. I get your point. I’m just saying there are other flagships who’ve been playing sports at the top level for over a century. Heck, Wyoming and New Mexico formed the original WAC 60 years ago with Arizona, Arizona St, BYU and Utah along with the MWC back in 1998.

Hawaii is worth traveling to. Who's ever said "I'd love to go to Wyoming!"

My father (but he's likely in the minority).

(09-22-2021 12:21 AM)VCE Wrote:  Hawaii is a long flight from Denver and then a crappy redeye back; are there non stops to philly and Greenville and Tampa? I know football charters, but I’m trying to get a sense as to distance. Surely all four schools would need to charter something larger than the normal 737.

The redeyes back to the east coast would be better than what I get back to Denver in that you’d actually get a decent amount of sleep I guess. Those are massive time differences though.

When you add in the time it takes to get to and from the airports at both ends, if you charter a plane in the central time zone you are looking at close to 10 hours travel time plus you lose five more hours on the clock traveling east.

If you are in Philadelphia and play at noon on Saturday, you would get home around noon on Sunday. If you are in Dallas, you get home around 8AM and still have time to get to church.

That doesn't sound too bad, does it?

If you really want Hawaii on your schedule, your conference could go big and have every member play at Hawaii every year, giving them all a 13th game. That way, you would have a monopoly on Week Zero and could schedule games from Friday night to Sunday night to get maximum TV exposure.

So, here's the plan. Invite Hawaii (FB only), San Diego State, Fresno State, Air Force and Colorado State, and put them in a western division with Tulsa and Navy. The 12 teams not named Hawaii play an 8 game schedule - five division and three crossover - and all 12 play at Hawaii for a ninth conference game.

The Rainbow Warriors get to keep many of their traditional rivals. Navy gets to raise the flag in both Honolulu and San Diego and still has two OOC games (in addition to Army and Notre Dame) available to be sure they play somebody in Texas every year.

And you never have to travel to Boise and play on a blue field. Stripped of key elements of the MWC, the Broncos gradually fade away from relevance by playing in a weakened conference and the AAC doesn't have to deal with a prima donna.

Problem(s) solved. Now let's put our heads together and try to solve the whole world peace thing. That should be a piece of cake after this.

Yeah:

South Pacific Division:

Hawai’i Rainbow Warriors
Midway University Fighting Dauntlesses
University of Wake Island Wokes
GUAM University Oceanics
Howland Island Tech Fighting Earnharts
University of the Solomons Kings


Yeah, no travel there

(09-22-2021 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:08 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  They fit the P6 type of school flagship strong academics.
They have a new stadium on the way and some historical success.
They already are football only in their football conference.
Seems like an easy add that hurts the MWC and might help get some others .

Ok, why not the other flagships like Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada etc? I respect Hawaii a lot. I get your point. I’m just saying there are other flagships who’ve been playing sports at the top level for over a century. Heck, Wyoming and New Mexico formed the original WAC 60 years ago with Arizona, Arizona St, BYU and Utah along with the MWC back in 1998.

Hawaii is worth traveling to. Who's ever said "I'd love to go to Wyoming!"

Western Wyoming has some of the most beautiful landscapes and scenery in the entire country. You're missing out if you've never been to Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons.

Never been to Laramie, though....and both SLC and Boise are closer to Yellowstone and Jackson Hole than Laramie is.

(09-22-2021 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:08 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  They fit the P6 type of school flagship strong academics.
They have a new stadium on the way and some historical success.
They already are football only in their football conference.
Seems like an easy add that hurts the MWC and might help get some others .

Ok, why not the other flagships like Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada etc? I respect Hawaii a lot. I get your point. I’m just saying there are other flagships who’ve been playing sports at the top level for over a century. Heck, Wyoming and New Mexico formed the original WAC 60 years ago with Arizona, Arizona St, BYU and Utah along with the MWC back in 1998.

Hawaii is worth traveling to. Who's ever said "I'd love to go to Wyoming!"

Since the Tetons/Jackson Hole/N’Western Wroming have already been mentioned, I’ll just add that Laramie is under 2.5 hrs from Denver.

Also I don’t know why but I find Casper to be very charming.

I think this board sometimes overestimates how much teams want games @ Hawaii. It's not really that strong of a recruiting pitch to get to play a road game there once every few years, and it's a logistical hassle. Unless I missed one, Hawaii currently has 0 AAC teams on their OOC slate through 2030.

The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

(09-21-2021 09:40 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:19 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Perhaps Guam could be their travel partner.

Don't forget Manila u and Vietnam state

Tahiti was interested at first, until someone who had been to the US clarified that "college football" was not, in fact, a proposal to establish a FIFA-football academy in Tahiti.

(09-22-2021 12:36 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I think this board sometimes overestimates how much teams want games @ Hawaii. It's not really that strong of a recruiting pitch to get to play a road game there once every few years, and it's a logistical hassle. Unless I missed one, Hawaii currently has 0 AAC teams on their OOC slate through 2030.

Yes, people may be confusing the bowl season appeal and the regular season appeal. Going to play a game that many hours off of your own time zone is a lot less appealing when you are going to fly in, play a few days later and then fly out again.

(09-21-2021 09:40 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 08:19 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Perhaps Guam could be their travel partner.

Don't forget Manila u and Vietnam state

Vietnam State fans would be upset if you didn't use their full brand name.

THE Vietnam State University.

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

The point is to help Hawaii (or Alaska, if it ever gets a football team) by giving other schools an incentive to play there.

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

But what if you could let everybody in your conference (and nobody in any other conference) have 13 games as I proposed (only somewhat facetiously)?

(09-22-2021 02:52 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

The point is to help Hawaii (or Alaska, if it ever gets a football team) by giving other schools an incentive to play there.

Conferences and schools are not altruistic, at least not when it comes to revenue sports.

(09-22-2021 03:06 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The addition of a 13th game in exchange for playing at Hawaii is possible due to an NCAA rule. I'd think it would be far more preferable to change the rules to make the regular season 13 games long than to add Hawaii to one's conference merely to permit 4 or 5 members per season to have 13 games.

But what if you could let everybody in your conference (and nobody in any other conference) have 13 games as I proposed (only somewhat facetiously)?

I imagine the other conferences wouldn't be in favor of that and would move quickly to change to rule and level the playing field.

I think a cruise ship with a football stadium on top would be a possible solution.

(09-22-2021 03:09 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think a cruise ship with a football stadium on top would be a possible solution.

LOL. Most practical solution I've heard so far.