For the record, Panama, your arguments that position Georgia State in a positive light in comparison to Liberty or other schools has gone from annoying to absurd. So you are suggesting that research collaboration between universities is the driving force in decisionmaking in regard to whom they choose to invite to the athletic league? This isn't the Ivy League or even the B1G.

(09-19-2021 09:26 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  For the record, Panama, your arguments that position Georgia State in a positive light in comparison to Liberty or other schools has gone from annoying to absurd. So you are suggesting that research collaboration between universities is the driving force in decisionmaking in regard to whom they choose to invite to the athletic league? This isn't the Ivy League or even the B1G.

It’s not, but don’t underestimate the importance of collaboration and institutional congruity to a school president. This sort of thing matters greatly to them, even if it means less to ADs and almost nothing to fans. It may not be enough in and of itself to put the kibosh on a potential conference member, but it’s definitely something that gets considered. Boise State has a much stronger football program than Tulane but they’re a lot closer to each other in major-conference attractiveness because Tulane has the academics card in its hand.

Liberty is, of course, a unique school that faces and presents unique challenges. The way to acceptance from the likes of East Carolina and Memphis, much less SMU, is definitely the narrow path and not the wide road.

(09-19-2021 09:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 08:08 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 07:17 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  It amusing when posters spout reasons for inviting or not inviting new members. In Liberty's case, it's always justifiable to state their online presence, which now in hindsight seems very smart, as a detriment. Posters call it a diploma mill. It's also justifiable to quote the many missteps LU has inflicted upon itself in the past from Fallwell Sr. and Jr.

Deniers have pre-set blemishes to quote when LU is mentioned. And all can be justified, but are they valid? If one uses on field performance, admin support, facilities, growing fan base, wins and losses, against both G5 and Big 4 teams, LU presents a very strong argument.

When in reality, as several have said here in this post, Presidents are figure heads and fund raisers. Their prime objective is to keep the institution operating in a financial healthy condition. So the question really is, "does including LU into the AAC or C-USA financially benefit both, the conference and it's member schools and LU?"

All who really cares what LU teaches and believes other than emotional fans? Born in Lynchburg I've watched the school advance from a joke to a force attending their very first games in the 1970s, and became a fan early with their success. I am not an alum, have no connection to the school or church, just one who grew up in Lynchburg and became a fan. I've cringed when Sr. and Jr. made their idiotic statements or were caught literally with their pants down. They have made bozo move after bozo move in the past. And now that one has died and the other left in disgrace, the LU admin fumbling's have ceased and LU's value as a conference member increased.

When we watch college sports, does anyone truly give merit to academic ratings, classes taught, online presence, or how many different degrees or schools of whatever exists? Or do we consider the won/loss records, the on field success, athletic budgets, post season exposure and success, and a schools commitment to athletics.

LU is uniquely positioned to accept an invite or remain indy, and succeed at both.

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I know it still stings to have the lowly Flames have I believe a 7-1 record against the SB, including GaSt. Is it GIFs only or anything of merit to add?

Stings? I have no idea what your record is against the SBC and really could care less. LOL

But ridiculous thread is ridiculous. You never had a shot at the AAC. Presidents decide and you are not getting bored in by the Presidents of Tulane or Temple or Tulsa. We are talking about Presidents in the AAC who live and breathe their academic mission. They were not going to consider Liberty any more than they would the University of Phoenix. They do not want your logo with theirs in the half time commercial. And it's not like you would be collaborating in research.

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Everyone gets your position. It's idealistic and allows for those dissenting against to unify their beliefs. I feel your frustration with your team, with little success since your FBS inception, being in the lower tier of a lower G5 conference. We all get it. If this much energy was placed in supporting your team rather than attempting to discredit others GaSt would likely be a better draw and have better appeal.

Last week I went to see the Van Gogh Immersion exhibit in Atlanta. We drove my the GaSt campus to the exhibit. If one wants to take about visual appeal, and if commercial and retail buildings surrounded by concrete and Interstate highways, then GaSt is your school.

As hard as you may try, and as much as you may say, and posting weak pointless, statistic GIFs, GaSt is still a lost little island in a very big Atlanta sea.

Panama has been beating his I hate Liberty and everything it stands for drum for years now. Unless you’re new here everyone knows where he stands. I’ve chosen not to even engage with him. The good thing for Liberty is Panama in all his wisdom hasn’t got a clue what schools will get invites.

What I’ve noticed this go around compared to last realignment is most fans recognize what value Liberty brings to their conference and many that were negative are much more accepting.

I think Liberty’s biggest obstacle to overcome is the difference in athletic budgets. Several Sunbelt schools are at a severe disadvantage. Even Ga State’s athletic budget is well below that of Liberty’s. Even FCS level JMU beats GA state by around 12 million annually. I can see the Louisiana Monroes and the Ga States saying we can’t keep up and it’s not a level playing field.

Meh….we get a in a conference great and if we don’t then also great. I’m happy being Indy and if that screws us later because the playoff expands then oh well. We will just do the best we can and whatever that lands us is fine.

(09-19-2021 09:26 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  For the record, Panama, your arguments that position Georgia State in a positive light in comparison to Liberty or other schools has gone from annoying to absurd. So you are suggesting that research collaboration between universities is the driving force in decisionmaking in regard to whom they choose to invite to the athletic league? This isn't the Ivy League or even the B1G.

We are not getting added. I am not talking about GSU


Point out ONE thing that I have said that is untrue analysis of realignment going back to 1992.

What is your Carnegie classification?

Where does USNWR classify you?

You see, you want to use tuition as an ATM to buy your way past the criteria conference presidents have. It has yet to work for you at any level because college presidents are not business people. They do not care about your money. They are academics. They care about academic mission and athletics is just a way to market that academic mission. See where you have a problem?

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(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)Cinciflame Wrote:  Panama has been beating his I hate Liberty and everything it stands for drum for years now. Unless you’re new here everyone knows where he stands. I’ve chosen not to even engage with him. The good thing for Liberty is Panama in all his wisdom hasn’t got a clue what schools will get invites.

What I’ve noticed this go around compared to last realignment is most fans recognize what value Liberty brings to their conference and many that were negative are much more accepting.

I think Liberty’s biggest obstacle to overcome is the difference in athletic budgets. Several Sunbelt schools are at a severe disadvantage. Even Ga State’s athletic budget is well below that of Liberty’s. Even FCS level JMU beats GA state by around 12 million annually. I can see the Louisiana Monroes and the Ga States saying we can’t keep up and it’s not a level playing field.

I don't hate Liberty at all. I just cannot understand why Liberty keeps wanting to piss on people and convince them it's raining .

You are who you are. Live with it. It would be like GSU arguing why they deserve to be in the SEC or the Ivy League, equally ridiculous ideas.

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And it's typical Liberty fan behavior to point, lie and distract.

Has that ever worked for you?

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(09-19-2021 10:55 AM)Cinciflame Wrote:  Panama has been beating his I hate Liberty and everything it stands for drum for years now. Unless you’re new here everyone knows where he stands. I’ve chosen not to even engage with him. The good thing for Liberty is Panama in all his wisdom hasn’t got a clue what schools will get invites.

What I’ve noticed this go around compared to last realignment is most fans recognize what value Liberty brings to their conference and many that were negative are much more accepting.

I think Liberty’s biggest obstacle to overcome is the difference in athletic budgets. Several Sunbelt schools are at a severe disadvantage. Even Ga State’s athletic budget is well below that of Liberty’s. Even FCS level JMU beats GA state by around 12 million annually. I can see the Louisiana Monroes and the Ga States saying we can’t keep up and it’s not a level playing field.

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I was thinking the same thing. Also I believe their budget will only increase once they Join another conference for all sports.

(09-19-2021 12:41 PM)panama Wrote:  And it's typical Liberty fan behavior to point, lie and distract.

Has that ever worked for you?

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As in the past, this is one unhappy camper. For those who choose to wallow in their own, self destructing, debasing world view, enjoy it. It's the hole they dig for themselves. Good luck to you and GaSt. You both really need it. And as one who continue to use sarcasms, which is expressed anger, maybe you'll find some method to direct efforts, that's positive efforts toward GaSt and yourself. There does not seem a large abundance in this thread of allegiance for your position. As most of us are talking about FB and conference affiliations.

(09-19-2021 01:47 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 12:41 PM)panama Wrote:  And it's typical Liberty fan behavior to point, lie and distract.

Has that ever worked for you?

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As in the past, this is one unhappy camper. For those who choose to wallow in their own, self destructing, debasing world view, enjoy it. It's the hole they dig for themselves. Good luck to you and GaSt. You both really need it. And as one who continue to use sarcasms, which is expressed anger, maybe you'll find some method to direct efforts, that's positive efforts toward GaSt and yourself. There does not seem a large abundance in this thread of allegiance for your position. As most of us are talking about FB and conference affiliations.

Lol. Deflecting again?.

Again, tell me concretely where my analysis of conference movement since 1992 is wrong.

Point out ONE thing that I have said that is untrue analysis of realignment going back to 1992.

What is your Carnegie classification?

Where does USNWR classify you?

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I don't think I have every watched a game based on the schools academics.

If you claim that it's important to you, you must have watched the Northwestern and Duke game yesterday.

If the AAC doesn't get what it wants from the MWC then the 2 biggest ascending programs are UAB and Liberty. A lot of those online Liberty students will tune in to watch their football.

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  I don't think I have every watched a game based on the schools academics.

If you claim that it's important to you, you must have watched the Northwestern and Duke game yesterday.

If the AAC doesn't get what it wants from the MWC then the 2 biggest ascending programs are UAB and Liberty. A lot of those online Liberty students will tune in to watch their football.

Is it important to me? No
Is it important to presidents? Yes
Do I get a vote? No
Do the presidents get a vote? Yes

(09-19-2021 04:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  I don't think I have every watched a game based on the schools academics.

If you claim that it's important to you, you must have watched the Northwestern and Duke game yesterday.

If the AAC doesn't get what it wants from the MWC then the 2 biggest ascending programs are UAB and Liberty. A lot of those online Liberty students will tune in to watch their football.

Is it important to me? No
Is it important to presidents? Yes
Do I get a vote? No
Do the presidents get a vote? Yes

And the presidents are going to do what ESPN suggests. ESPN will suggest to Aresco who makes the most financial sense.

(09-19-2021 04:59 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  I don't think I have every watched a game based on the schools academics.

If you claim that it's important to you, you must have watched the Northwestern and Duke game yesterday.

If the AAC doesn't get what it wants from the MWC then the 2 biggest ascending programs are UAB and Liberty. A lot of those online Liberty students will tune in to watch their football.

Is it important to me? No
Is it important to presidents? Yes
Do I get a vote? No
Do the presidents get a vote? Yes

And the presidents are going to do what ESPN suggests. ESPN will suggest to Aresco who makes the most financial sense.

The presidents aren't accountable to ESPN. They *are* accountable to a board of trustees who would consider their hewing to the school's academic mission of far greater concern than the sports channel's desires for slightly better ratings.

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  I don't think I have every watched a game based on the schools academics.

If you claim that it's important to you, you must have watched the Northwestern and Duke game yesterday.

If the AAC doesn't get what it wants from the MWC then the 2 biggest ascending programs are UAB and Liberty. A lot of those online Liberty students will tune in to watch their football.

I am not saying it's important to me. My posts have been very clear. Again if you do not like it talk to your president and trustees.

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(09-19-2021 05:02 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:59 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 04:52 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  I don't think I have every watched a game based on the schools academics.

If you claim that it's important to you, you must have watched the Northwestern and Duke game yesterday.

If the AAC doesn't get what it wants from the MWC then the 2 biggest ascending programs are UAB and Liberty. A lot of those online Liberty students will tune in to watch their football.

Is it important to me? No
Is it important to presidents? Yes
Do I get a vote? No
Do the presidents get a vote? Yes

And the presidents are going to do what ESPN suggests. ESPN will suggest to Aresco who makes the most financial sense.

The presidents aren't accountable to ESPN. They *are* accountable to a board of trustees who would consider their hewing to the school's academic mission of far greater concern than the sports channel's desires for slightly better ratings.

Let's see what happens.

If you're right then Aresco might want to make his announcement before Liberty has a chance to beat Syracuse on Friday night.

Liberty is an academic joke. Liberty has low attendance, so it's supposed fan base is a joke.

Memphis and Boise State were passed over by the Big 12, and we all know academics almost certainly played a role. All it takes to keep Liberty out of a conference is another schools being acceptable to the Presidents and in the vicinity of Liberty in athletics, A good example of that would be Coastal Carolina for the SBC a few years back. Liberty has not leapfrogged CCU and CCU is not in consideration for the American, not even in the top ten list.

Liberty needs to show they are acceptable to a lower standard conference like the SBC or C-USA before they can even think about the AAC.

(09-19-2021 05:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Liberty is an academic joke. Liberty has low attendance, so it's supposed fan base is a joke.

Memphis and Boise State were passed over by the Big 12, and we all know academics almost certainly played a role. All it takes to keep Liberty out of a conference is another schools being acceptable to the Presidents and in the vicinity of Liberty in athletics, A good example of that would be Coastal Carolina for the SBC a few years back. Liberty has not leapfrogged CCU and CCU is not in consideration for the American, not even in the top ten list.

Liberty needs to show they are acceptable to a lower standard conference like the SBC or C-USA before they can even think about the AAC.

Liberty is content at present to remain an Indy. A guess is they would be cool to a SB invite as how the SB snubbed them before. And the SB may not want to accept LU with their resources, which seems to threaten public schools. C-USA seems the most desirable landing spot and the AAC a longshot. And LU has the greater upside, minus academics which some place a high priority on, with it's resources and commitment.

(09-19-2021 05:16 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 05:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Liberty is an academic joke. Liberty has low attendance, so it's supposed fan base is a joke.

Memphis and Boise State were passed over by the Big 12, and we all know academics almost certainly played a role. All it takes to keep Liberty out of a conference is another schools being acceptable to the Presidents and in the vicinity of Liberty in athletics, A good example of that would be Coastal Carolina for the SBC a few years back. Liberty has not leapfrogged CCU and CCU is not in consideration for the American, not even in the top ten list.

Liberty needs to show they are acceptable to a lower standard conference like the SBC or C-USA before they can even think about the AAC.

Liberty is content at present to remain an Indy. A guess is they would be cool to a SB invite as how the SB snubbed them before. And the SB may not want to accept LU with their resources, which seems to threaten public schools. C-USA seems the most desirable landing spot and the AAC a longshot. And LU has the greater upside, minus academics which some place a high priority on, with it's resources and commitment.

Lol

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