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(09-16-2021 07:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:18 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 06:58 PM)everyone Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 06:41 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  AAC wants Marketzzzz!!!!

I honestly do not blame them. People are moving to cities (in the South). Cities will only get bigger in the future. By 2050, 7 out of 10 people in the world will live in cities.

But as CUSA 3.0 has shown the team has to own or at least have a big part of that viewing city. That's not the case with UAB, FAU or UTSA and I actually like all 3 schools (yes even UAB).

When CUSA games have been shown that shows up on the ratings not one of those 3 schools draw very good numbers.

Even on attendance UTSA was below the 15k threshold and warned by the NCAA just a couple years ago.

Again I like FAU but someone is badly mistaken if they think Boca is the same as Mouse Land. The mindset of the people are worlds apart. Not saying it cant happen but its a huge longshot. The "New AAC" doesn't have a named school left in it or adding to it.

So I believe that's why its a mistake to even consider markets...unless a school has proven they can get a major share of it. Not one of those have came close to that but neither has any other CUSA school
When you combine for the last 4 titles and have put money into football Ike FAU and UAB, they are no longer market adds. FAU has received 4 million in donations in the last 3 weeks already. I'm thinking the facilities are going to get much needed upgrades in the near future too

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I understand your point and dont disagree but one of the article said something about FAU blowing up like UCF and controlling their market. I just cant see that because the people are so different. People in S. Fla just dont have the same need for college sports as other places. At least thats the vibe I get from the area
I agree to a point. It's a frontrunner and transplant area because of the weather and events and such. But tons of people if they ever do win consistently

I'd rather have a team like Marshall join us than a market add or 2, but to me UAB isn't that at least

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RE: CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
NOTICE: CBS Dodd article mentions how many SBC schools?


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You want to get to the AAC, MWC ? So far you still have to go thru C-USA.


This should give schools like Marshall a pause before going 'Belt.

Also with no Belt teams leaving they only have room for two-- maybe just one if they want FCS JMU.
Do you feel the chance is worth it over improving our league with Jim Delany assisting and an almost certain addition of some Eastern school(s)?

Marshall (and others) should just tell C-USA presidents--"We're leaving unless major changes occur". THAT will get action!

This is a wake up call for C-USA leadership (Presidents, AD's) and major changes will be made!
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(09-16-2021 02:06 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote:  I referenced this direction in one of my previous post. Figured AAC will first go west trying to lure MWC over. Rather it happens or not will be interesting. *Suppose it depends on the Mickey channel*
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The problem with the MWC is that the bottom half of the league is basically at the same level as the average CUSA program. If the MWC loses Boise St. to the Big 12 I don’t see it becoming better than the AAC even with the loss of Memphis as long as the AAC can pick up programs like UAB, UTSA, UNT, or FAU to backfill it’s losses. And the AAC would still have the more up and coming programs.
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(09-16-2021 07:58 PM)XYZ Wrote:  The problem with the MWC is that the bottom half of the league is basically at the same level as the average CUSA program. If the MWC loses Boise St. to the Big 12 I don’t see it becoming better than the AAC even with the loss of Memphis as long as the AAC can pick up programs like UAB, UTSA, UNT, or FAU to backfill it’s losses. And the AAC would still have the more up and coming programs.

At the end of the day both the MWC and AAC will have lost their most valuable teams to the Big 12. Personally, I think the MWC is a more attractive conference without Boise than the AAC is without UC, UH, UCF, and Memphis. Therefore, I think the MWC would be in a better position to become the dominant G5 league with the SBC and AAC dueling it out for the 2nd spot.
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The AAC losing additional members is more likely to occur than MWC joining.
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RE: CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
(09-16-2021 07:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  NOTICE: CBS Dodd article mentions how many SBC schools?


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You want to get to the AAC, MWC ? So far you still have to go thru C-USA.


This should give schools like Marshall a pause before going 'Belt.

Also with no Belt teams leaving they only have room for two-- maybe just one if they want FCS JMU.
Do you feel the chance is worth it over improving our league with Jim Delany assisting and an almost certain addition of some Eastern school(s)?

Marshall (and others) should just tell C-USA presidents--"We're leaving unless major changes occur". THAT will get action!

This is a wake up call for C-USA leadership (Presidents, AD's) and major changes will be made!

First of all, the only pause Marshall needs is the thought of at least some of the Texas schools leaving and not being replaced with other Texas schools, so I would say there is already pause on our end.

Second of all, I thought Delany was only helping through re-alignment stuff? Is he here full time all of a sudden? Is that enough to still make up for having Judy? I don't think it does to be honest.

I would prefer to stay with the CUSA East teams IF, we can have some major changes occur over here. Not only dropping some Texas schools, but stop punishing the top brands with Facebook games and then splitting the revenue evenly. Either increase exposure or increase the media payouts. Right now, you are basically punished for being valuable.

Last, if we lose 3-4 western teams then I hope we go after some eastern teams to shift this conference more eastern. Obviously App, Ga So, and Coastal would be nice, but they seem to enjoy their mid week games. Marshall has been there and done that, not so great to be honest. If we could make a play for Liberty and JMU that would be pretty nice imo.

I think we would be sitting pretty if we somehow lost 5 teams to the AAC and MWC. Let's say AAC takes UAB and those MWC teams. Then the MWC poaches and takes our Texas teams. That would leave CUSA with 9 teams and to be honest, I would prefer this 9 team CUSA over whatever it is the AAC becomes.

We could add just one team to get to 10 with either Liberty or James Madison. Or we go all out and try to get back to 14 by taking the Top 5 programs from the Sun Belt with Louisiana, App, Ga So, Coastal, and Ark St/Troy.

Either way. A CUSA that consists of these 9 schools would make me VERY happy.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
So Miss
La Tech
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RE: CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
(09-16-2021 08:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  NOTICE: CBS Dodd article mentions how many SBC schools?


-------------------------ZERO-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You want to get to the AAC, MWC ? So far you still have to go thru C-USA.


This should give schools like Marshall a pause before going 'Belt.

Also with no Belt teams leaving they only have room for two-- maybe just one if they want FCS JMU.
Do you feel the chance is worth it over improving our league with Jim Delany assisting and an almost certain addition of some Eastern school(s)?

Marshall (and others) should just tell C-USA presidents--"We're leaving unless major changes occur". THAT will get action!

This is a wake up call for C-USA leadership (Presidents, AD's) and major changes will be made!

First of all, the only pause Marshall needs is the thought of at least some of the Texas schools leaving and not being replaced with other Texas schools, so I would say there is already pause on our end.

Second of all, I thought Delany was only helping through re-alignment stuff? Is he here full time all of a sudden? Is that enough to still make up for having Judy? I don't think it does to be honest.

I would prefer to stay with the CUSA East teams IF, we can have some major changes occur over here. Not only dropping some Texas schools, but stop punishing the top brands with Facebook games and then splitting the revenue evenly. Either increase exposure or increase the media payouts. Right now, you are basically punished for being valuable.

Last, if we lose 3-4 western teams then I hope we go after some eastern teams to shift this conference more eastern. Obviously App, Ga So, and Coastal would be nice, but they seem to enjoy their mid week games. Marshall has been there and done that, not so great to be honest. If we could make a play for Liberty and JMU that would be pretty nice imo.

I think we would be sitting pretty if we somehow lost 5 teams to the AAC and MWC. Let's say AAC takes UAB and those MWC teams. Then the MWC poaches and takes our Texas teams. That would leave CUSA with 9 teams and to be honest, I would prefer this 9 team CUSA over whatever it is the AAC becomes.

We could add just one team to get to 10 with either Liberty or James Madison. Or we go all out and try to get back to 14 by taking the Top 5 programs from the Sun Belt with Louisiana, App, Ga So, Coastal, and Ark St/Troy.

Either way. A CUSA that consists of these 9 schools would make me VERY happy.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
So Miss
La Tech
That's honestly my favorite scenario as we talked about above in this thread and others

But that takes Marshall ODU and southern miss resisting the Belt

And if the AAC takes Uab , FAU , Marshall and UTSA or north Texas id like that too

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RE: CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
(09-16-2021 08:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  NOTICE: CBS Dodd article mentions how many SBC schools?


-------------------------ZERO-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You want to get to the AAC, MWC ? So far you still have to go thru C-USA.


This should give schools like Marshall a pause before going 'Belt.

Also with no Belt teams leaving they only have room for two-- maybe just one if they want FCS JMU.
Do you feel the chance is worth it over improving our league with Jim Delany assisting and an almost certain addition of some Eastern school(s)?

Marshall (and others) should just tell C-USA presidents--"We're leaving unless major changes occur". THAT will get action!

This is a wake up call for C-USA leadership (Presidents, AD's) and major changes will be made!

First of all, the only pause Marshall needs is the thought of at least some of the Texas schools leaving and not being replaced with other Texas schools, so I would say there is already pause on our end.

Second of all, I thought Delany was only helping through re-alignment stuff? Is he here full time all of a sudden? Is that enough to still make up for having Judy? I don't think it does to be honest.

I would prefer to stay with the CUSA East teams IF, we can have some major changes occur over here. Not only dropping some Texas schools, but stop punishing the top brands with Facebook games and then splitting the revenue evenly. Either increase exposure or increase the media payouts. Right now, you are basically punished for being valuable.

Last, if we lose 3-4 western teams then I hope we go after some eastern teams to shift this conference more eastern. Obviously App, Ga So, and Coastal would be nice, but they seem to enjoy their mid week games. Marshall has been there and done that, not so great to be honest. If we could make a play for Liberty and JMU that would be pretty nice imo.

I think we would be sitting pretty if we somehow lost 5 teams to the AAC and MWC. Let's say AAC takes UAB and those MWC teams. Then the MWC poaches and takes our Texas teams. That would leave CUSA with 9 teams and to be honest, I would prefer this 9 team CUSA over whatever it is the AAC becomes.

We could add just one team to get to 10 with either Liberty or James Madison. Or we go all out and try to get back to 14 by taking the Top 5 programs from the Sun Belt with Louisiana, App, Ga So, Coastal, and Ark St/Troy.

Either way. A CUSA that consists of these 9 schools would make me VERY happy.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
So Miss
La Tech

Lots of basketball in that line up.
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RE: CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
I doubt any MWC teams go to the AAC so it will be UAB and I guess 3 other CUSA teams or maybe a Sun Belt team. The AAC will be a much weaker conference
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(09-16-2021 08:26 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 08:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  NOTICE: CBS Dodd article mentions how many SBC schools?


-------------------------ZERO-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You want to get to the AAC, MWC ? So far you still have to go thru C-USA.


This should give schools like Marshall a pause before going 'Belt.

Also with no Belt teams leaving they only have room for two-- maybe just one if they want FCS JMU.
Do you feel the chance is worth it over improving our league with Jim Delany assisting and an almost certain addition of some Eastern school(s)?

Marshall (and others) should just tell C-USA presidents--"We're leaving unless major changes occur". THAT will get action!

This is a wake up call for C-USA leadership (Presidents, AD's) and major changes will be made!

First of all, the only pause Marshall needs is the thought of at least some of the Texas schools leaving and not being replaced with other Texas schools, so I would say there is already pause on our end.

Second of all, I thought Delany was only helping through re-alignment stuff? Is he here full time all of a sudden? Is that enough to still make up for having Judy? I don't think it does to be honest.

I would prefer to stay with the CUSA East teams IF, we can have some major changes occur over here. Not only dropping some Texas schools, but stop punishing the top brands with Facebook games and then splitting the revenue evenly. Either increase exposure or increase the media payouts. Right now, you are basically punished for being valuable.

Last, if we lose 3-4 western teams then I hope we go after some eastern teams to shift this conference more eastern. Obviously App, Ga So, and Coastal would be nice, but they seem to enjoy their mid week games. Marshall has been there and done that, not so great to be honest. If we could make a play for Liberty and JMU that would be pretty nice imo.

I think we would be sitting pretty if we somehow lost 5 teams to the AAC and MWC. Let's say AAC takes UAB and those MWC teams. Then the MWC poaches and takes our Texas teams. That would leave CUSA with 9 teams and to be honest, I would prefer this 9 team CUSA over whatever it is the AAC becomes.

We could add just one team to get to 10 with either Liberty or James Madison. Or we go all out and try to get back to 14 by taking the Top 5 programs from the Sun Belt with Louisiana, App, Ga So, Coastal, and Ark St/Troy.

Either way. A CUSA that consists of these 9 schools would make me VERY happy.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
So Miss
La Tech
That's honestly my favorite scenario as we talked about above in this thread and others

But that takes Marshall ODU and southern miss resisting the Belt

And if the AAC takes Uab , FAU , Marshall and UTSA or north Texas id like that too

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I thought teams might join the belt until looking at the numbers. No one from CUSA is going to pay $5-$6 million to make less money in the SBC.
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(09-16-2021 08:30 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 08:20 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  NOTICE: CBS Dodd article mentions how many SBC schools?


-------------------------ZERO-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You want to get to the AAC, MWC ? So far you still have to go thru C-USA.


This should give schools like Marshall a pause before going 'Belt.

Also with no Belt teams leaving they only have room for two-- maybe just one if they want FCS JMU.
Do you feel the chance is worth it over improving our league with Jim Delany assisting and an almost certain addition of some Eastern school(s)?

Marshall (and others) should just tell C-USA presidents--"We're leaving unless major changes occur". THAT will get action!

This is a wake up call for C-USA leadership (Presidents, AD's) and major changes will be made!

First of all, the only pause Marshall needs is the thought of at least some of the Texas schools leaving and not being replaced with other Texas schools, so I would say there is already pause on our end.

Second of all, I thought Delany was only helping through re-alignment stuff? Is he here full time all of a sudden? Is that enough to still make up for having Judy? I don't think it does to be honest.

I would prefer to stay with the CUSA East teams IF, we can have some major changes occur over here. Not only dropping some Texas schools, but stop punishing the top brands with Facebook games and then splitting the revenue evenly. Either increase exposure or increase the media payouts. Right now, you are basically punished for being valuable.

Last, if we lose 3-4 western teams then I hope we go after some eastern teams to shift this conference more eastern. Obviously App, Ga So, and Coastal would be nice, but they seem to enjoy their mid week games. Marshall has been there and done that, not so great to be honest. If we could make a play for Liberty and JMU that would be pretty nice imo.

I think we would be sitting pretty if we somehow lost 5 teams to the AAC and MWC. Let's say AAC takes UAB and those MWC teams. Then the MWC poaches and takes our Texas teams. That would leave CUSA with 9 teams and to be honest, I would prefer this 9 team CUSA over whatever it is the AAC becomes.

We could add just one team to get to 10 with either Liberty or James Madison. Or we go all out and try to get back to 14 by taking the Top 5 programs from the Sun Belt with Louisiana, App, Ga So, Coastal, and Ark St/Troy.

Either way. A CUSA that consists of these 9 schools would make me VERY happy.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
So Miss
La Tech

Lots of basketball in that line up.

Agreed. Honestly, would love if UAB stayed but that isn't happening. That would be an excellent conference imo. Not very much dead weight in basketball, at least not historically.
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(09-16-2021 07:58 PM)XYZ Wrote:  The problem with the MWC is that the bottom half of the league is basically at the same level as the average CUSA program. If the MWC loses Boise St. to the Big 12 I don’t see it becoming better than the AAC even with the loss of Memphis as long as the AAC can pick up programs like UAB, UTSA, UNT, or FAU to backfill it’s losses. And the AAC would still have the more up and coming programs.

At the end of the day both the MWC and AAC will have lost their most valuable teams to the Big 12. Personally, I think the MWC is a more attractive conference without Boise than the AAC is without UC, UH, UCF, and Memphis. Therefore, I think the MWC would be in a better position to become the dominant G5 league with the SBC and AAC dueling it out for the 2nd spot.

I’m just not seeing much of a difference with any of the G5 conferences at that point. Still I’d give the edge slightly to the AAC. I also think that if the rest of the CUSA can stay pretty much intact that it would too eventually pass the MWC.
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If UTSA leaves CUSA? I’d honestly rather end up in the MWC over the AAC to be honest
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CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
I've said that the eastern division should really just break off with southern miss and then try to get app state , coastal and the 2 Georgia schools. There is your 12

The east of the AAC involves temple, navy, east Carolina and south Florida. Memphis will be gone soon. I really only care about south Florida of that group

Which is why I prefer to stay with the eastern teams and let the Texas schools go.

But if uab and marshall and another solid football program go to the AAC, that would make me want FAU to join them

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My guess is that the MWC schools do not accept AAC invites which means AAC will pursue CUSA schools - FAU, UTSA, Charolette and UAB.

SBC invites USM, Marshall, UNT, Rice, FIU, and Liberty (or JMU).

This will mean the end of CUSA.

WKU, MTSU will need to pursue MAC invites.
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(09-16-2021 09:21 PM)XYZ Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 08:09 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(09-16-2021 07:58 PM)XYZ Wrote:  The problem with the MWC is that the bottom half of the league is basically at the same level as the average CUSA program. If the MWC loses Boise St. to the Big 12 I don’t see it becoming better than the AAC even with the loss of Memphis as long as the AAC can pick up programs like UAB, UTSA, UNT, or FAU to backfill it’s losses. And the AAC would still have the more up and coming programs.

At the end of the day both the MWC and AAC will have lost their most valuable teams to the Big 12. Personally, I think the MWC is a more attractive conference without Boise than the AAC is without UC, UH, UCF, and Memphis. Therefore, I think the MWC would be in a better position to become the dominant G5 league with the SBC and AAC dueling it out for the 2nd spot.

I’m just not seeing much of a difference with any of the G5 conferences at that point. Still I’d give the edge slightly to the AAC. I also think that if the rest of the CUSA can stay pretty much intact that it would too eventually pass the MWC.

I don't see the AAC having an edge. The MWC w/o Boise still have more teams that have outperformed the remaining AAC teams w/o UH, UC, and UCF. And it's more likely the MWC could lure a Tulsa or SMU than the AAC luring any MWC school in my humble opinion.

At the end of day it really will not matter though.
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(09-16-2021 03:26 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  The MW teams won't go to the AAC unless ESPN piles on the money. If that doesn't happen and they backfill with UAB, FAU, and UTSA then I am a happy camper. Marshall, ODU, and USM can bolt for the belt and play some of the best football in the G5. Potential is a dangerous game either way, but I'll take better programs over markets anyday.

In an odd kind of way, I hope the American does gamble and take on the "big metro" city approach with a UTSA, North Texas, UAB etc instead of traditional successful football programs. One things is for sure, you can bet your ass that if the MWC holds, they are the new G5 king for the time being and it wouldn't surprise me if they expand into Texas with UTSA or a few others to flex their muscle. This entire situation could really backfire on the American. And it could turn out that the best G5 football conference in the East ends up being someone other than the American when this is all said and done.
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(09-16-2021 09:40 PM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  My guess is that the MWC schools do not accept AAC invites which means AAC will pursue CUSA schools - FAU, UTSA, Charolette and UAB.

SBC invites USM, Marshall, UNT, Rice, FIU, and Liberty (or JMU).

This will mean the end of CUSA.

WKU, MTSU will need to pursue MAC invites.

Now I understand why you have so much negative reputation.

Why would the Sun Belt expand to 16 members and 18 in basketball?

Very simple. They wouldn't.

Sun Belt fans cream themselves at the possibility of seeing Conference USA go the way of the WAC. Guess what? Not gonna' happen.
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RE: CBS says Merica Conf targeting 4 Mountain West schools & UAB
If things go well with Delany-- Judy might take a "retirement package". Delany could then be interim chief and add to his legacy as having reconstructed (saved) C-USA. Search could then begin for permanent replacement.

Other points to remember:

---We add two of these three [ ARMY, LIBERTY, JMU] and we are back in business

--- AAC will add NO SBC schools- which leaves only one/two spots open for "Bolters" to Belt

--- SBC will NOT go above 12 (they have seen the mess 14 can bring, reduced $ shares,etc.)

--- The REAL threat of losing MARSHALL, S. MISS, and others will force C-USA Presidents and AD's to take action they should have done long ago. Examples:

a.) no or very little cross division play
b.) adding teams like JMU, Liberty, maybe even Army (you can ask)
c.) change in leadership direction
(This post was last modified: 09-16-2021 11:19 PM by TOPSTRAIGHT.)
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