(09-15-2021 09:11 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 05:06 AM)panite Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:53 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:49 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I don't get the reasoning for the MW to expand with C-USA schools unless they have losses. Why go to 14? Can NT/Rice Really raise the media deal value? What am I missing?

No, nor is Navy going Indy. The AAC should go get ODU, Marshall, App. State, JMU, UAB and Georgia State. If JMU doesn’t move up, add one of Louisiana, UTSA, Rice, La. Tech, Charlotte, Coastal, Ga. Southern, USM or FAU. They you are prepared if/when Memphis gets a call-up.

East: Temple, Marshall, JMU, ODU, App. State, ECU, USF
West: Ga. State, UAB, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Navy

Assuming the above scenario, the Belt adds Charlotte, FAU, UTSA, USM
East: Charlotte, Coastal, GS, FAU, Troy, USA.
West: USM, ULM, Louisiana, ASU, TSU, UTSA.

CUSA - MTSU, WKU, UTEP, UNT, Rice, La. Tech and FIU add NMSU, UConn,* UMass, Liberty, Sam Houston.

East: UConn,* UMass*, MTSU, WKU, Liberty, FIU.
West: NMSU, UTEP, UNT, Rice, Sam Houston, La. Tech..

UConn is not joining CUSA with that group of schools. If they wanted all that
travel, UConn would have stayed in the AAC.

UCONN wanted to stay FB only in the AAC, and the AAC kindly and rightfully told them to go pound sand. I'm not sure if they'd join that league or any league football only, mostly since I think they'll probably drop to FCS or drop football entirely in the near future, but more importantly I don't see any league wanting UCONN FB only.

Playing FCS at an off-campus rented stadium is a non-starter for any school. UConn is flagship R1 public. They’ll do everything they can to avoid dropping football. Plus it’s the rare university president who wants to withstand the heat from discontinuing football.

If they hire competent coaches UConn can be a middling G5 which is roughly their historical norm save for the three minutes that their basketball team’s conference affiliation got UConn football into the dying days of a power football conference. Neither party wants UConn football in the AAC.

It all comes down to hiring the right coach. It would be better to let this season run its course and study all the potential candidates looking for a good fit than rushing a hire.

(09-15-2021 09:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If UConn continues on this trajectory in lack of success, I can’t imagine power schools will continue to want to schedule them. I wish them the very best but I’m not confident in their future as an FBS school.

We're all in agreement that they can't just win 0-2 games indefinitely. Nobody's saying that's the plan.

(09-15-2021 09:20 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If UConn continues on this trajectory in lack of success, I can’t imagine power schools will continue to want to schedule them. I wish them the very best but I’m not confident in their future as an FBS school.

We're all in agreement that they can't just win 0-2 games indefinitely. Nobody's saying that's the plan.

I hope y’all pick it up. 10-15 years ago I was convinced y’all were an ACC school. I hope y’all get back to those levels of expectations.

(09-15-2021 09:10 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:28 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  My Predictions are fairly boring and unlikely to shake the landscape much. Mostly involves backfilling to fill spots:

AAC - plucks 2-4 schools from CUSA/Sun Belt. My guess is 4 to get back to 12 and that it's Marshall, UAB, Rice, and Georgia State.

CUSA - now at 11 schools, they encounter unwillingness of any Sun Belt teams to move and simply call up James Madison and go to 12 and split the CFP pie fewer ways

Sun Belt - Now at 9 schools, they add Liberty for all sports or NMSU football only

MWC and MAC remain unchanged

WAC and Atlantic Sun - Starting around 2023 I think both conference will start raising the call to move to FBS with a variety of schools. In the case of the WAC I think it will be a bit easier, particularly if NMSU stays independent, but I think the CFP expansion as well as the NCAA constitutional convention this fall will determine whether it actually happens or not.

It seems the Sun Belt is preparing to assist UTA and Little Rock to find new homes and will take the conference to 12 teams.

If the Sun Belt is left with 9 teams I really believe they invite 3 or the following 4. JMU, ODU, Southern Miss, and UTSA to try and get to 12.

That would be very plausible too. I could see it. CUSA might be hurting and have to do a round of FCS call ups

(09-15-2021 08:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  UConn’s future schedules actually look good. Have you seen them?

Carolina visits their place in 2027.

Not only them but also Ole Miss, Syracuse, Army, and Temple.

(09-15-2021 08:01 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Any scenario that puts Liberty in with the likes of Sam Houston is a non-starter for Liberty. We are not giving up independence for those scenarios.

For the record, I live near Sam and many of their administrators inlcuding the AD are my neighbors. It's not personal. But no thanks.

Well the EKU w/ SHSU it is just like I thought, if there was a problem.

(09-14-2021 09:18 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Now, that the Big 12 has officially expanded, here are my thoughts on the next dominoes falling.

I'm going to start with the Mountain West because I think they are going to make a pre-emptive strike on....C-USA for Rice and UTEP. I don't think the AAC or MW will be trading members but I do think the media package will be better for the MW this time around so the MW grabs Rice and UTEP before the AAC does. I also think Gonzaga realizes it needs to prepare for the future post-Few and gets into the MW as an Olympic sports member to balance Hawaii. The Mountain West becomes the de-facto #6 conference.

West: Utah State, Nevada, Hawaii, UNLV, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno State
Mountain: Rice, UTEP, Boise State, AFA, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico

At this point, Navy has two options: stay in the AAC or go back to being independent. With the conference losing its major brands, the MW nabbing Rice and UTEP, and there being more independents than last time, Navy moves back to being independent.

The AAC wants to get back into Texas for a 2nd school, but SMU blocks North Texas and UTSA and Texas State don't have the brand necessary so the conference goes in another direction to get to 10 schools.


Louisiana's re-brand catapults the school into the pool of the invited alongside UAB and Marshall.

West: SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Louisiana
East: UAB, Marshall, ECU, USF, Temple

The MAC looks around the landscape and stands pat.

C-USA is next up. With 4 defections, the conference is down to 10 schools. It will look to rip the band-aid off the Sun Belt (now down to 9 schools). It invites Appalachian State and Coastal Carolina to get to 12.

West: North Texas, Louisiana Tech, UTSA, MTSU, WKU, Southern Miss
East: ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, App State, Coastal Carolina

Finally, the Sun Belt is up. Down to 7 schools, desperate times call for desperate measures. They invite NMSU, Liberty, and FCS James Madison to get to 10 football schools, and they cut UT-Arlington and Little Rock loose as Olympic members.

The remaining independents include Notre Dame, Navy, Army, UConn, and UMass. The latter four schedule each other yearly going forward.

Where do UT-A and Little Rock go ?....Southland ?

(09-15-2021 02:49 PM)ACC1953! Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:18 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Now, that the Big 12 has officially expanded, here are my thoughts on the next dominoes falling.

I'm going to start with the Mountain West because I think they are going to make a pre-emptive strike on....C-USA for Rice and UTEP. I don't think the AAC or MW will be trading members but I do think the media package will be better for the MW this time around so the MW grabs Rice and UTEP before the AAC does. I also think Gonzaga realizes it needs to prepare for the future post-Few and gets into the MW as an Olympic sports member to balance Hawaii. The Mountain West becomes the de-facto #6 conference.

West: Utah State, Nevada, Hawaii, UNLV, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno State
Mountain: Rice, UTEP, Boise State, AFA, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico

At this point, Navy has two options: stay in the AAC or go back to being independent. With the conference losing its major brands, the MW nabbing Rice and UTEP, and there being more independents than last time, Navy moves back to being independent.

The AAC wants to get back into Texas for a 2nd school, but SMU blocks North Texas and UTSA and Texas State don't have the brand necessary so the conference goes in another direction to get to 10 schools.


Louisiana's re-brand catapults the school into the pool of the invited alongside UAB and Marshall.

West: SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Louisiana
East: UAB, Marshall, ECU, USF, Temple

The MAC looks around the landscape and stands pat.

C-USA is next up. With 4 defections, the conference is down to 10 schools. It will look to rip the band-aid off the Sun Belt (now down to 9 schools). It invites Appalachian State and Coastal Carolina to get to 12.

West: North Texas, Louisiana Tech, UTSA, MTSU, WKU, Southern Miss
East: ODU, Charlotte, FAU, FIU, App State, Coastal Carolina

Finally, the Sun Belt is up. Down to 7 schools, desperate times call for desperate measures. They invite NMSU, Liberty, and FCS James Madison to get to 10 football schools, and they cut UT-Arlington and Little Rock loose as Olympic members.

The remaining independents include Notre Dame, Navy, Army, UConn, and UMass. The latter four schedule each other yearly going forward.

Where do UT-A and Little Rock go ?....Southland ?

My bet would be the Summit with Tulsa (Oral Roberts) and Kansas City (UMKC) already in the south . Arlington and Little Rock would make a nice southern wing

(09-15-2021 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  AAC adds UAB, Marshall, Rice, Army (AAC might like the 12 fb, 11 bb setup. I don't think Dayton or VCU would leave for this AAC)
CUSA adds JMU
SBC adds Sam Houston St., Liberty (if they still have a problem w/ the Flames then EKU)
MWC adds Gonzaga (If MWC were to add 2 not from the AAC, I think UNT and UTSA get the call.)
WCC adds Seattle, CBU
WAC adds W.Texas A&M
ASUN adds W.Florida
CAA adds Winthrop
BSC adds NCCU
MEAC adds Chicago St. (Virginia St. if they can ever afford to move up or someone in the area from D-II that just wants to jump to D-I)

Sam Houston fans scoff at the idea that they would leave the WAC so quickly , so mark them off your list.

(09-15-2021 08:13 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  AAC adds UAB, Marshall, Rice, Army (AAC might like the 12 fb, 11 bb setup. I don't think Dayton or VCU would leave for this AAC)
CUSA adds JMU
SBC adds Sam Houston St., Liberty (if they still have a problem w/ the Flames then EKU)
MWC adds Gonzaga (If MWC were to add 2 not from the AAC, I think UNT and UTSA get the call.)
WCC adds Seattle, CBU
WAC adds W.Texas A&M
ASUN adds W.Florida
CAA adds Winthrop
BSC adds NCCU
MEAC adds Chicago St. (Virginia St. if they can ever afford to move up or someone in the area from D-II that just wants to jump to D-I)

Sam Houston fans scoff at the idea that they would leave the WAC so quickly , so mark them off your list.

uh what? SBC>WAC. Also fans don't make the call

(09-15-2021 08:22 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:13 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  AAC adds UAB, Marshall, Rice, Army (AAC might like the 12 fb, 11 bb setup. I don't think Dayton or VCU would leave for this AAC)
CUSA adds JMU
SBC adds Sam Houston St., Liberty (if they still have a problem w/ the Flames then EKU)
MWC adds Gonzaga (If MWC were to add 2 not from the AAC, I think UNT and UTSA get the call.)
WCC adds Seattle, CBU
WAC adds W.Texas A&M
ASUN adds W.Florida
CAA adds Winthrop
BSC adds NCCU
MEAC adds Chicago St. (Virginia St. if they can ever afford to move up or someone in the area from D-II that just wants to jump to D-I)

Sam Houston fans scoff at the idea that they would leave the WAC so quickly , so mark them off your list.

uh what? SBC>WAC. Also fans don't make the call

Just telling you what they say on the WAC board when the possibility of them leaving is brought up. They say not possible.

(09-15-2021 09:28 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:10 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:28 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  My Predictions are fairly boring and unlikely to shake the landscape much. Mostly involves backfilling to fill spots:

AAC - plucks 2-4 schools from CUSA/Sun Belt. My guess is 4 to get back to 12 and that it's Marshall, UAB, Rice, and Georgia State.

CUSA - now at 11 schools, they encounter unwillingness of any Sun Belt teams to move and simply call up James Madison and go to 12 and split the CFP pie fewer ways

Sun Belt - Now at 9 schools, they add Liberty for all sports or NMSU football only

MWC and MAC remain unchanged

WAC and Atlantic Sun - Starting around 2023 I think both conference will start raising the call to move to FBS with a variety of schools. In the case of the WAC I think it will be a bit easier, particularly if NMSU stays independent, but I think the CFP expansion as well as the NCAA constitutional convention this fall will determine whether it actually happens or not.

It seems the Sun Belt is preparing to assist UTA and Little Rock to find new homes and will take the conference to 12 teams.

If the Sun Belt is left with 9 teams I really believe they invite 3 or the following 4. JMU, ODU, Southern Miss, and UTSA to try and get to 12.

That would be very plausible too. I could see it. CUSA might be hurting and have to do a round of FCS call ups

It's ODU in because of budget,market,eyeballs,geography,basketball, and oh,yeh,NAVY.

(09-15-2021 08:28 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  My Predictions are fairly boring and unlikely to shake the landscape much. Mostly involves backfilling to fill spots:

AAC - plucks 2-4 schools from CUSA/Sun Belt. My guess is 4 to get back to 12 and that it's Marshall, UAB, Rice, and Georgia State.

CUSA - now at 11 schools, they encounter unwillingness of any Sun Belt teams to move and simply call up James Madison and go to 12 and split the CFP pie fewer ways

Sun Belt - Now at 9 schools, they add Liberty for all sports or NMSU football only

MWC and MAC remain unchanged

WAC and Atlantic Sun - Starting around 2023 I think both conference will start raising the call to move to FBS with a variety of schools. In the case of the WAC I think it will be a bit easier, particularly if NMSU stays independent, but I think the CFP expansion as well as the NCAA constitutional convention this fall will determine whether it actually happens or not.

If you would assure me the ASUN was moving to FBS in 23, I would rather JSU stay there than go to the SBC or CUSA.

(09-15-2021 08:27 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:22 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:13 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  AAC adds UAB, Marshall, Rice, Army (AAC might like the 12 fb, 11 bb setup. I don't think Dayton or VCU would leave for this AAC)
CUSA adds JMU
SBC adds Sam Houston St., Liberty (if they still have a problem w/ the Flames then EKU)
MWC adds Gonzaga (If MWC were to add 2 not from the AAC, I think UNT and UTSA get the call.)
WCC adds Seattle, CBU
WAC adds W.Texas A&M
ASUN adds W.Florida
CAA adds Winthrop
BSC adds NCCU
MEAC adds Chicago St. (Virginia St. if they can ever afford to move up or someone in the area from D-II that just wants to jump to D-I)

Sam Houston fans scoff at the idea that they would leave the WAC so quickly , so mark them off your list.

uh what? SBC>WAC. Also fans don't make the call

Just telling you what they say on the WAC board when the possibility of them leaving is brought up. They say not possible.

I can show you the fans on the D-II board saying UNA, ACU, Tarleton, Bryant etc.. are not going to move up, they don't want it. Along w/ most of the fans of all the FCS schools that moved up. They don't until their school says they are.

UTA might end up in the WAC, especially if they want to restart their football program.

(09-15-2021 09:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  UTA might end up in the WAC, especially if they want to restart their football program.

Their is nothing stopping them or Little Rock from becoming football member of the Sun Belt. All they have to do is start a football program. If their plans are to start football they would stay in the Sun Belt.

(09-15-2021 08:38 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:27 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:22 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:13 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  AAC adds UAB, Marshall, Rice, Army (AAC might like the 12 fb, 11 bb setup. I don't think Dayton or VCU would leave for this AAC)
CUSA adds JMU
SBC adds Sam Houston St., Liberty (if they still have a problem w/ the Flames then EKU)
MWC adds Gonzaga (If MWC were to add 2 not from the AAC, I think UNT and UTSA get the call.)
WCC adds Seattle, CBU
WAC adds W.Texas A&M
ASUN adds W.Florida
CAA adds Winthrop
BSC adds NCCU
MEAC adds Chicago St. (Virginia St. if they can ever afford to move up or someone in the area from D-II that just wants to jump to D-I)

Sam Houston fans scoff at the idea that they would leave the WAC so quickly , so mark them off your list.

uh what? SBC>WAC. Also fans don't make the call

Just telling you what they say on the WAC board when the possibility of them leaving is brought up. They say not possible.

I can show you the fans on the D-II board saying UNA, ACU, Tarleton, Bryant etc.. are not going to move up, they don't want it. Along w/ most of the fans of all the FCS schools that moved up. They don't until their school says they are.

None of those schools should be moving up. That’s a sure fire way to create a P5 schism.

(09-15-2021 09:24 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  UTA might end up in the WAC, especially if they want to restart their football program.

Their is nothing stopping them or Little Rock from becoming football member of the Sun Belt. All they have to do is start a football program. If their plans are to start football they would stay in the Sun Belt.

LR probably hasn’t because of pressure from the Razorbacks. UTA makes zero sense. They had all the time in the world to restart their program, and now they are likely gone. No way the Sun Belt adds UTA football over an established program like USM or Marshall.

(09-16-2021 12:10 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:24 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 09:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  UTA might end up in the WAC, especially if they want to restart their football program.

Their is nothing stopping them or Little Rock from becoming football member of the Sun Belt. All they have to do is start a football program. If their plans are to start football they would stay in the Sun Belt.

LR probably hasn’t because of pressure from the Razorbacks. UTA makes zero sense. They had all the time in the world to restart their program, and now they are likely gone. No way the Sun Belt adds UTA football over an established program like USM or Marshall.

UTA is not starting football but what I am stating is as a current member of the conference if they announce tomorrow that they are going to restart their football program they would become a football member of the conference after completing transition period.