RE: Milley Talked To Chinese Counterpart to Undermine Trump
(09-15-2021 08:15 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Trump never gave a order but libs welcome treasonous actions just on the fantasy that’s what Trump ‘could’ do in their TDS mind
Trump never threatened any military action against China. Trade war yes.
RE: Milley Talked To Chinese Counterpart to Undermine Trump
(09-15-2021 08:33 AM)appst89 Wrote: People on here openly defending treason; just mind-boggling.
Team over country. Helps when one side helps perpetuate the lie that the United States is somehow inherently evil because not everything was perfect when we were founded in 1776.
RE: Milley Talked To Chinese Counterpart to Undermine Trump
(09-15-2021 08:33 AM)appst89 Wrote: People on here openly defending treason; just mind-boggling.
Amazing isn't it? Well, not really. Hell we just recently had the director of the CIA who was a f'in communist. Why wouldn't we have our fair share on this board?
RE: Milley Talked To Chinese Counterpart to Undermine Trump
(09-15-2021 09:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Where was the f*cking intelligence monitoring on Milley when this was going on? Its not like this shouldnt have been picked up.
It was reported that one of the allied nations did pick up on the conversation and it drew alerts and red flags
RE: Milley Talked To Chinese Counterpart to Undermine Trump
(09-15-2021 07:53 AM)gdunn Wrote: The problem is that there was no reason to make this call and Milley was not authorized by his boss to make this call.
So either he's trying to take some heat off Biden for Afghanistan or he's an idiot.
I think you are over the target. Sundance has a column today that speaks to this.
Quote:The headline stories today are large, and so is the background as these issues surface. Context becomes increasingly important as each aspect is reviewed. As you look at the stories, remember this context (emphasized as a reminder):
TEAM One – The Department of State is aligned with the CIA. Their media PR firms are CNN, CNNi and the Washington Post. Their ideology is favorable to the United Nations. Their internal corruption is generally driven by relationship with foreign actors. References: Hillary Clinton, Clinton Global Initiative, John McCain, Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood, Samantha Powers, Susan Rice, Cass Sunstein, Brookings Institute, Lawfare, China-centric, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Council on Foreign Relations.
TEAM Two – The White House is aligned with the Pentagon (DoD) and National Security Council (NSC). Their media PR firms are domestic in nature. New York Times, Politico, etc. Their internal corruption is generally driven by domestic influence. References: Barack Obama, George Bush, Wall St, Big Banks, Multinational Corporations, Defense Contractors, FBI (state police), Judicial Branch, and community activists writ large. [Presidential elections only affect Team Two (nationalism -v- globalism). In the modern era Team One is independent.]
Quote:Today CNN, via Bob Woodward [Article Here] and The Washingon Post, via Robert Costa [Article Here] collaborate on a designed hit against one of the key corrupt actors on Team Two, Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley. CTH previously said this was coming: “Look for Joint Chief’s Chairman Mark Milley to be the guy who gets canned to protect Joe Biden. Mark Milley knows this is likely.”
Quote:Yes, General Mark Milley is a power-hungry political manipulator and collaborator with the Deep State, in the effort to undermine President Donald J Trump. We already knew this…. So, why is The WaPo and CNN hitting him now?
The answer is in the problematic sunlight facing the Fourth Branch of Government in the aftermath of the Afghanistan mess. CTH has been writing about this, because we knew a time would come when the coordinating participants were going to fracture in order to protect themselves.
“The deepest, swampiest part of the Deep State is protecting its interests against the outcome of a crisis in Afghanistan they collectively created. The picture has now emerged of their plan to blame the White House, and by extension Joe Biden along with the Pentagon.”Link
“Modify the focus of your prism as you review all new events in/around Afghanistan to see the connective tissue between CNN, the State Department and CIA [strongest institution within the Intelligence Branch]. Then keep in mind, the Senate is in alignment with, and a facilitator for, the Intelligence Branch. As a consequence, the institution of the senate will align with the interests of the State Department; and, by default align with the CIA, intelligence community and CNN reporting.”
You think CNN and the Washington Post only recently came to the understanding that General Mark Milley was a corrupt, politically motivated actor, working on behalf of the interests of the Deep State [4th Branch]? Of course not. They are using the opportunity of this book by Woodward and Costa to hit Milley, place the blame for Afghanistan in his lap, and make him the scapegoat so that Joe Biden and the other participants can avoid further scrutiny. Their play is transparent.
RE: Milley Talked To Chinese Counterpart to Undermine Trump
(09-15-2021 12:38 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:
(09-15-2021 07:53 AM)gdunn Wrote: The problem is that there was no reason to make this call and Milley was not authorized by his boss to make this call.
So either he's trying to take some heat off Biden for Afghanistan or he's an idiot.
I think you are over the target. Sundance has a column today that speaks to this.
Quote:The headline stories today are large, and so is the background as these issues surface. Context becomes increasingly important as each aspect is reviewed. As you look at the stories, remember this context (emphasized as a reminder):
TEAM One – The Department of State is aligned with the CIA. Their media PR firms are CNN, CNNi and the Washington Post. Their ideology is favorable to the United Nations. Their internal corruption is generally driven by relationship with foreign actors. References: Hillary Clinton, Clinton Global Initiative, John McCain, Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood, Samantha Powers, Susan Rice, Cass Sunstein, Brookings Institute, Lawfare, China-centric, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Council on Foreign Relations.
TEAM Two – The White House is aligned with the Pentagon (DoD) and National Security Council (NSC). Their media PR firms are domestic in nature. New York Times, Politico, etc. Their internal corruption is generally driven by domestic influence. References: Barack Obama, George Bush, Wall St, Big Banks, Multinational Corporations, Defense Contractors, FBI (state police), Judicial Branch, and community activists writ large. [Presidential elections only affect Team Two (nationalism -v- globalism). In the modern era Team One is independent.]
Quote:Today CNN, via Bob Woodward [Article Here] and The Washingon Post, via Robert Costa [Article Here] collaborate on a designed hit against one of the key corrupt actors on Team Two, Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley. CTH previously said this was coming: “Look for Joint Chief’s Chairman Mark Milley to be the guy who gets canned to protect Joe Biden. Mark Milley knows this is likely.”
Quote:Yes, General Mark Milley is a power-hungry political manipulator and collaborator with the Deep State, in the effort to undermine President Donald J Trump. We already knew this…. So, why is The WaPo and CNN hitting him now?
The answer is in the problematic sunlight facing the Fourth Branch of Government in the aftermath of the Afghanistan mess. CTH has been writing about this, because we knew a time would come when the coordinating participants were going to fracture in order to protect themselves.
“The deepest, swampiest part of the Deep State is protecting its interests against the outcome of a crisis in Afghanistan they collectively created. The picture has now emerged of their plan to blame the White House, and by extension Joe Biden along with the Pentagon.”Link
“Modify the focus of your prism as you review all new events in/around Afghanistan to see the connective tissue between CNN, the State Department and CIA [strongest institution within the Intelligence Branch]. Then keep in mind, the Senate is in alignment with, and a facilitator for, the Intelligence Branch. As a consequence, the institution of the senate will align with the interests of the State Department; and, by default align with the CIA, intelligence community and CNN reporting.”
You think CNN and the Washington Post only recently came to the understanding that General Mark Milley was a corrupt, politically motivated actor, working on behalf of the interests of the Deep State [4th Branch]? Of course not. They are using the opportunity of this book by Woodward and Costa to hit Milley, place the blame for Afghanistan in his lap, and make him the scapegoat so that Joe Biden and the other participants can avoid further scrutiny. Their play is transparent.
Quote:Republican Sen. Marco Rubio is calling for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley to be fired after he reportedly “contemplated a treasonous leak of classified information to the Chinese Communist Party.”
In a letter to President Joe Biden, Rubio referenced reports that Milley “worked to actively undermine the sitting Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces” by making secret calls to Communist China’s Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army to reassure him that the U.S. was not organizing a strike.
“These actions by General Milley demonstrate a clear lack of sound judgement, and I urge you to dismiss him immediately,” Rubio wrote. “I do not need to tell of you the dangers posed by senior military officers leaking classified information on U.S. military operations, but I will underscore that such subversion undermines the President’s ability to negotiate and leverage one of this nation’s instruments of national power in his interactions with foreign nations.”
Not only did Milley disregard national security, Rubio said, “even more egregiously, reports indicate that General Milley interfered with the procedures by which the civilian commander-in-chief can order a nuclear strike.”
“He purportedly instructed officials not to take orders without his involvement and forced them to take an oath to that effect. A senior military officer interfering with that civilian-controlled process is simply unacceptable at best, and at worst, would cause ambiguity which could lead to war,” Rubio warned.
Rubio also chastised Milley for trying to “rationalize his reckless behavior” by claiming the “military’s judgement was more stable than its civilian commander.”
“It is a dangerous precedent that could be asserted at any point in the future by General Milley or others. It threatens to tear apart our nation’s longstanding principle of civilian control of the military,” Rubio wrote before reiterating that Biden “must immediately dismiss General Milley. America’s national security and ability to lead in the world are at stake.”
Milley’s Alleged Secret Calls To China Are Just Another Reason Americans Believe The System Is Rigged
Quote:The Washington Post published extremely serious allegations against Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley yesterday, although of course the paper tried to make the centerpiece of the story former President Donald Trump’s erratic behavior.
From WaPo:
Fearful of Donald Trump’s actions in his final weeks as president, the United States’ top military officer twice called his Chinese counterpart to assure him that the two nations would not go to war, a senior defense official said Tuesday after the conversations were described in excerpts from a forthcoming book.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army that the United States would not strike. One call took place on Oct. 30, 2020, four days before the election that defeated Trump. The second call was on Jan. 8, 2021, just two days after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by supporters of the outgoing chief executive.
Milley went so far as to promise Li that he would warn his counterpart in the event of a U.S. attack, according to the book ‘Peril,’ written by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
The story here, however, is not Trump, no matter how much the corrupt corporate media would have it be so. The story is that a military leader defied civilian control over the direction of America’s foreign policy, and did so through secret talks with our chief adversary on the global stage.
Under every president, we hear about “[name] derangement syndrome”; there was Bush Derangement Syndrome, and Obama Derangement Syndrome. But only Trump Derangement Syndrome seems to have led the ostensible upholders of “norms” and “democracy” to treat as no big deal actual violations of democracy’s most sacred norms in the service of thwarting Donald Trump.
Civilian control over the military is not something to be jettisoned when you disagree with the people’s choice. Generals playing politics at the highest levels of the military is a game as old as the country, but secretly speaking with America’s foreign enemies to defy the policy decisions of the elected leader of the United States crosses a line, a bright red one. With all the blabber about norms, here is one that truly matters.
The American people deserve to know the content of those phone calls. If this reporting is true – and it must be taken with a grain of salt given Bob Woodward’s track record – Gen. Milley must be fired and, depending on the content of the calls, may even be justly prosecuted.
Under the guise of “saving democracy from Trump” our media, intelligence services, government bureaucrats, and corporate overlords have kamikazed faith in every one of the institutions keeping America the stable democracy it has blessedly remained for over 200 years. Millions of Americans feel the system is so rigged that they despair of anyone in our ruling elite being held responsible for any action, no matter how obviously over the line.
Let us hope that, in the case of Gen. Milley and his alleged flaunting of bedrock principles not only of the American system, but any non-banana republic, those Americans are wrong.
Quote:I’ve spent most of the past few weeks writing columns here at The American Spectator which are exercises in bomb-throwing at the various villains and dunces who populate our government at its highest levels. A few months back, I wrote an entry in this space which stated that “We Are Governed by People Who Suck,” and more often than not, I find myself applying that rule successfully to member after member of our ruling class.
Joe Biden. George W. Bush. Various corporate executives. Statewide officials. State legislators. Senators. Members of Congress.
It’s tiring and a bit depressing. Again and again there is evidence that we aren’t a constitutional republic at all but a kakistocracy, a beleaguered nation ruled by its most ruthless, clueless, classless, and worthless. It’s painful, because this isn’t our tradition and it’s not what made us. Something has gone wrong, and we’ve got to find out where and when it happened and reset to a time before then to fix it.
Which is why I keep coming back to the need to embrace revivalism rather than conservatism. And I wanted this column to be another foray into that subject.
But I can’t do that, because I have to throw more bombs, and I have to talk about the People Who Suck problem.
There may be no more sucktastic human being in a position of power in America today than Mark Milley. Yes, I know that’s saying something, because that list includes Gavin Newsom, Bill de Blasio, Mark Zuckerberg, Lori Lightfoot, Nancy Pelosi, Antony Blinken, and Joe Biden.
And Liz Cheney, for crying out loud. Not to mention Kathleen Kennedy, who apparently has the power and bad judgement to give Indiana Jones a sex change and try to make the American people stomach it.
Milley, who chairs the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is worse than all of them, and worse than that, the mindless goons who populate the legacy media newsrooms are lauding him for his misdeeds.
Surely by now you’re aware of what’s in this forthcoming book that Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of the Washington Post are flogging this week. In it, Milley is said to congratulate himself for having done a few things which look an awful lot like malfeasance if not treason. Each of them in themselves are awfully close to hanging offenses; taken together, it’s pitchforks-and-torches, tar-and-feathers time.
First, Milley’s willie got out of joint because he’d been with Trump as the president took a stroll across Lafayette Park to visit a church the BLM rioters tried to burn down. According to the book, he’s quoted as saying, “we’re not going to turn our guns on the American people and we’re not going to have a ‘Wag the Dog’ scenario overseas.”
Then there was the phone call. Apparently, if the book is to be believed, Milley told his Chinese counterpart Li Zuocheng in October of last year that he would be serving as an intelligence asset for the latter.
“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told the head of the People’s Liberation Army. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”
It got worse, according to Woodward and Costa.
“General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time,” Milley told Li. “It’s not going to be a surprise.”
Mark Milley was not the secretary of state. Mike Pompeo had that job at the time. Pompeo was in relatively constant communication with the Chinese. So you can’t excuse what Milley did as an exercise in diplomacy; that’s not his lane.
Nor is Mark Milley in a position to determine American military posture. We put elected civilians in charge of the military to do that, and at the time, Donald Trump was the president and Milley’s commander-in-chief.
Perhaps Woodward and Costa are overselling this and Milley was only relaying information the president had provided to him to give the Chinese.
And perhaps the moon is made of camembert.
That explanation won’t fly, because according to Woodward and Costa, Milley never relayed that conversation with the Chinese army general to Trump.
And also because of what Milley did on January 8.
According to the book, he called General Li back to reassure the Chinese that American deterrence was off the table. “We are 100 percent steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes,” he said.
And just to prove it, Milley had the Pentagon’s Indo-Pacific Command cancel military exercises the ChiComs didn’t like.
He wasn’t finished. Milley proceeded to tell his top staff that if Trump were to order offensive military action, that they weren’t to follow those orders without informing Milley first.
And he called Pelosi, who proceeded to screech that Trump was crazy and that the January 6 protest proved it. “I agree with you on everything,” he said.
Milley had an option he could pursue if he truly believed what he said, which was that he could have resigned. He could have told the American people in his resignation letter that he didn’t believe Trump was sane and that he couldn’t in good conscience follow orders from him. And he could then have left it to Pelosi to follow the Constitution and institute proceedings as provided by the 25th Amendment to remove a president unfit to fulfill his duties.
But he didn’t do that. Instead, Milley instigated a military coup against the president of the United States.
This after he was secretly conducting foreign policy and giving assurances to our most dangerous international adversary that America would not act against them.
What if, based on Milley’s conversations with Li, the Chinese had seized on what they saw as an opportunity to attack Taiwan? That isn’t a fanciful scenario, you know; they’ve been preparing for it since long before October of last year and are now openly aggressive toward the Taiwanese. It seems only a matter of time before the balloon goes up over the South China Sea. For Milley to have defanged this country via a backchannel is a gross violation of the chain of command.
At the very minimum.
Last week in a column in this space, I argued Milley and the rest of the Biden national security and foreign policy team should all be impeached over the utter calamity that was the Afghanistan withdrawal. It isn’t necessary to revisit Milley’s role in that: shilling for the abandonment of Bagram Air Base in the middle of the night and thus opening the door to the predictable likelihood that his Chinese pals will end up with it. That decision had an awful lot to do with the loss of those 13 American servicemen to an ISIS suicide bomber amid the needlessly chaotic withdrawal from Kabul.
Giving up Bagram and withdrawing from Afghanistan in the fashion we did is something Milley is now saying was the best we could do. But he undermined Trump’s efforts to get our troops out of Afghanistan in far more advantageous circumstances; Trump tried to pull them all out before leaving office, and if he’d done so, it would have been in the middle of the winter, months before the Taliban’s fighting season began anew. Instead, Milley was party to an even more irresponsible, helter-skelter retreat on behalf of a president far more cognitively unstable than Trump had ever been.
But he never tried to countermand Joe Biden’s orders.
Our constitutional system cannot survive the treachery of men like Mark Milley. He has to be removed from his position. Frankly, in a nation serious about its own laws and willing to uphold the standards which built it, Mark Milley would be facing a court martial under a charge of sedition and possibly treason, with the not-insignificant potential of the rest of his life spent in Leavenworth and an unnatural death at the hands of military justice.
But sadly, there will be no such proceedings and we all know it. The best we can hope for is that someone in the House will at least bring impeachment articles against Milley and force the current Democrat majority to attempt to squelch them, thus likely suffering the wrath of the American voters in the elections a bit more than a year from now. Milley would resign and accept a cushy job at some lobbying firm or defense contractor long before he’d ever be removed, and almost certainly cash in with a corrupt book deal.
But at least some degree of official opprobrium might be laid on him. Even if it comes at the end of a strongly worded letter rather than the end of a rope.
Quote:Retired Army Colonel Douglas McGregor appeared with Tucker Carlson last night to talk about the bombshell information about Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley. McGregor was formerly senior advisor to the Secretary of Defense under President Donald Trump.
As we previously reported, according to information in a new book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, Milley spoke with his counterpart in China and assured him that he would tell him if we were going to attack them. Milley did not tell the president about this contact with the Chinese.
On top of that, as we reported, he allegedly interfered in the ability of the president to solely dictate military/nuclear action by telling senior military officials that no action should be taken without him being involved.
This all came after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) spoke to Milley and other senior military leaders and demanded that he do something about President Donald Trump. She was told at the time that would amount to a military coup. We reported that back on Jan. 9.
But then, according to Woodward and Costa, Milley acted on it, basically subverting the chain of command at the behest of Pelosi, basically carrying out a coup.
McGregor detailed to Tucker Carlson how wrong this all was.
He said that the Joint Chiefs Chair (Milley) “has no statutory authority over operational forces of any kind. That means that he is not in a position to order anyone in the armed forces to say or do anything. Can’t do it. He is preeminently the senior military advisor to the president. That’s what he is. So in theory, before he would make such a phone call [to the Chinese counterpart], he would discuss the subject of the phone call with the president, the Commander in Chief. He certainly would not do something without coordinating with the National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State because this is beyond defense, this is foreign policy statement he is making.”
McGregor said that Milley had violated the law if this story was true and he needed to be questioned by Congress under oath. But from a military standpoint regarding who has the power to do what, McGregor said, “This is wrong.” McGregor also pointed out how false the claim is from Milley, noting that the president couldn’t launch a nuclear weapon by himself anyway, that he has a “consultative process” that runs through the Secretary of Defense to Strategic Command. “It has nothing to do with Gen. Milley,” McGregor said, although he could speak up as an adviser. So this Milley claim that he’s somehow saving America and the world from a rogue president (who hadn’t actually done anything to prompt this) is just a nonsense story. Indeed, it’s Milley who was completely rogue in all this,
McGregor then pointed out that if Milley really had had an issue with Trump that he couldn’t act in accordance with, that he had the option to resign — that would be the proper action to take. “That’s what you do if you’re dealing with someone you feel you can’t support,” McGregor said. But Milley didn’t do that.
Tucker and McGregor then discussed the fact that it was true that Milley was acting after talking with Pelosi, so basically acting at the behest of the opposing party against the sitting president of the United States, saying that he was in control of everything at the Pentagon. McGregor also said that Milley had been in contact with now Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY). As I said, talk about a coup — it’s the Democrats who were committing the very thing of which they accused Trump.
McGregor called Washington, D.C. “occupied territory” meaning an area with these politicians who were not representing the will of the people; that they don’t ask what the people think on any of the consequential issues — from immigration to going to war.
McGregor finished by saying the whole story as alleged was nonsense — that “Trump was not someone who was going to launch a nuclear strike out of the blue against anyone.” Tucker agreed, noting it was Trump who was the first president in some time who hadn’t gotten us involved in more wars. “The whole thing was a lie,” Tucker asserted.
Of course it was and that’s why the left was pushing this story — to lie about Trump. But they didn’t get that people would see through it and see how much it confirms their unconstitutional actions against him.
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