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RE: Realignment
I think we can stop bringing up Ill State. They aren't ready for FBS. They had 57 yards of total offense vs WMU and were completely uncompetitive. Heck, last time NIU played them we beat them 24-10 and that was when they finished as a top 10 FCS and we had a losing record.
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(09-12-2021 07:37 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I think we can stop bringing up Ill State. They aren't ready for FBS. They had 57 yards of total offense vs WMU and were completely uncompetitive. Heck, last time NIU played them we beat them 24-10 and that was when they finished as a top 10 FCS and we had a losing record.

I agree with this completely. Not to mention that picking Illinois State so that the footprint isnt upset is very uninspiring.
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(09-12-2021 08:31 AM)NDSUGopher Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 07:37 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I think we can stop bringing up Ill State. They aren't ready for FBS. They had 57 yards of total offense vs WMU and were completely uncompetitive. Heck, last time NIU played them we beat them 24-10 and that was when they finished as a top 10 FCS and we had a losing record.

I agree with this completely. Not to mention that picking Illinois State so that the footprint isnt upset is very uninspiring.

NDSU has a far better program. If we choose or have to invite new members, NDSU should be the first pick from FCS ranks.
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Of course you could invite NDSU and UMass as FB only. Would limit the impact of travel and NDSU is good. Hopefully Bell and company are turning UMass around from the despair of the 2019. This showed we have a heart beat and worth watching.[Image: E_DJKqmXoAELtgd?format=jpg&name=small]
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MAC should make a behind the scene deal with ESPN or CBSSN to add some $$ to current contracts and consider adding Marshall, WKU, MTSU, and then possibly UMASS.

Ideal adds would be UMASS/Temple (whose deals fell apart in past thanks to Temple).

Dream adds would be ARMY/NAVY if AAC falls apart in FB. (Doubtful for many reasons)
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RE: Realignment
IMHO,

I see the MAC doing nothing in this round.. As a fan of the Conference, I have to take a look around to see what is available at the time.

-If you go West:

The only thing that makes sense is the Dakota Schools as a package, but Football only AND you would have to shift Ball State and Toledo to the East. The question becomes, will any of these Schools go for that?

-If you go South

The Conference would have to wait to see what would be left of CUSA when the dust settles because if your only options left are WKU, Marshall and UTEP, you are better off doing nothing at all.

-If you go East:

Look at your Options! Let's look at the Current Eastern Independents(Football).

A) Uconn and Umass are Non starters in my eyes. I would make BOTH of them be all sports(Not Happening) and have zero interest for two schools eyeing the door the entire time they are here.

B) Liberty has a ton of money, no doubt about that! However if they could even convince JMU, ODU or even Charlotte to jump from CUSA to join with them, is it even worth it?

C) Army is exactly where they want to be! Independence is perfect for them because they can put a schedule together without even trying for the most part because Schools want to play them and they need them for their mission as a School.

Assuming the AAC completely implodes. Navy and East Carolina will go back to Independence in Football and the schools I think will be left behind: Tulsa is a HUGE stretch. I have no interest in Temple. Tulane and SMU are too far away to make any sense.....

If the MAC does anything, it would be to do nothing, or go down the Addition By Subtraction Road......
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(09-12-2021 03:39 PM)lance99 Wrote:  -If you go West:

The only thing that makes sense is the Dakota Schools as a package, but Football only AND you would have to shift Ball State and Toledo to the East. The question becomes, will any of these Schools go for that?

If the two Dakota schools are placed in the West division, you only need to send Toledo to the East to achieve equal divisions. And I can't imagine Toledo being grumpy about that, being in the more "Ohio" division and with their rival.

Northern Iowa is also an annually strong program and would add a new footprint state, and wouldn't require such a stretch geographically.

Down south, with CUSA, Sun Belt and AAC footprints all overlapping each other and fighting for territory, I'm skeptical the MAC can break through that wall. Unless one of those conferences implode and a few programs are homeless and desperate.
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Northern Iowa is not leaving a strong basketball league like MVC for MAC.
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(09-12-2021 07:37 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I think we can stop bringing up Ill State. They aren't ready for FBS. They had 57 yards of total offense vs WMU and were completely uncompetitive. Heck, last time NIU played them we beat them 24-10 and that was when they finished as a top 10 FCS and we had a losing record.

This may be a down year for Illinois State. They were picked seventh in MVC Pre-Season poll.

But overall under Spack they have been a very good FCS program (86-54). With a bump to FBS 85 scholarships not unreasonable to think they could compete in MAC.
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np lance99 regarding UMass and UConn. UConn left the AAC and will be in the Big East figuratively speaking for like. Our appeal shrank dramatically with UConn leaving. We are one of two continuous founding members of the A10. (Duquesne left and came back, GW is the other university.) I don't see a new eastern conference every being a muti bid bb conference it it ever happened. CUSA is to spread out like the AAC but with no money. Regardless, the MAC should stay with the 12 teams and 100% agree. Don't see how it would be financially beneficial to the MAC to add a FB only. CUSA may do it as their pie would be bigger after being raided. It was just a posting regarding a few that like the idea of expanding the footprint and would balance NDSU.
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Some Marshall fans are talking of joining the Sun Belt (assuming they can't talk their way into the American) and perhaps bringing a Conference USA school or schools with them. (Perhaps Southern Mississippi, perhaps Old Dominion, but who really knows?)

While this is by definition message board chatter, I get the feeling there might be something to it. The Sun Belt has already announced its intent to expand from 10 to 12, and Conference USA has hired former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney to help it navigate the current situation. The appearance is also that ESPN, which has contracts with the American and the Sun Belt, may be squeezing Conference USA, which does not have an ESPN contract.

All of this is to say that it seems possible that the American and Conference USA could both end up raiding Conference USA, and that Conference USA, when all is said and done, might end up the very worst football conference in FBS. To reload, Conference USA might look to James Madison and/or Liberty (assuming neither join the Sun Belt in its expansion). Even so, it seems possible that Conference USA schools left behind just might want out.

The question could become: If Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee were both available in a depleted Conference USA, would the MAC want to add them?

I'm not seeing a big advantage for us, but that might be the opportunity that emerges when this all plays out.
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(09-13-2021 08:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Some Marshall fans are talking of joining the Sun Belt (assuming they can't talk their way into the American) and perhaps bringing a Conference USA school or schools with them. (Perhaps Southern Mississippi, perhaps Old Dominion, but who really knows?)

While this is by definition message board chatter, I get the feeling there might be something to it. The Sun Belt has already announced its intent to expand from 10 to 12, and Conference USA has hired former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney to help it navigate the current situation. The appearance is also that ESPN, which has contracts with the American and the Sun Belt, may be squeezing Conference USA, which does not have an ESPN contract.

All of this is to say that it seems possible that the American and Conference USA could both end up raiding Conference USA, and that Conference USA, when all is said and done, might end up the very worst football conference in FBS. To reload, Conference USA might look to James Madison and/or Liberty (assuming neither join the Sun Belt in its expansion). Even so, it seems possible that Conference USA schools left behind just might want out.

The question could become: If Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee were both available in a depleted Conference USA, would the MAC want to add them?

I'm not seeing a big advantage for us, but that might be the opportunity that emerges when this all plays out.

JMU wants to be part of the enhanced SBC configuration to include Marshall and ODU.

Based on that report the AAC could very well go with WKU and MT to go with UAB and Rice. WKU though is much more likely.

Where do the Florida twins go in all of this? The MAC could be a good landing spot. What about Charlotte? Do the get a ticket the AAC?

The MAC picking up 1 or 2 pieces when its said and done, even if its Middle Tennessee and Florida International makes sense to strengthen the MAC East.
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The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

SBC doesn't seem to have room to take in WKU/MT/UNCC/FAU/FIU. They want SoMiss in the west and Marshall in the east along with the two Virginia schools (ODU/JMU). That is 14 right there in FB and might be as big as they want to go.

WKU/MT/UNCC/FAU/FIU would positively impact the MAC in FB/BB.

UMass would be worth considering as a 16th if its all sports.
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(09-13-2021 09:04 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

Sure is. Taking UConn/UMass FB-only on the tems of the old Temple/UMass FB deal would bring benefits to Kent State, while raiding CUSA for two or four footloose schools looking for a safe port in the storm and then looking at how they can move on as fast as possible is just more mouths to feed from the same ESPN money.
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(09-13-2021 08:49 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 08:17 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Some Marshall fans are talking of joining the Sun Belt (assuming they can't talk their way into the American) and perhaps bringing a Conference USA school or schools with them. (Perhaps Southern Mississippi, perhaps Old Dominion, but who really knows?)

While this is by definition message board chatter, I get the feeling there might be something to it. The Sun Belt has already announced its intent to expand from 10 to 12, and Conference USA has hired former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney to help it navigate the current situation. The appearance is also that ESPN, which has contracts with the American and the Sun Belt, may be squeezing Conference USA, which does not have an ESPN contract.

All of this is to say that it seems possible that the American and Conference USA could both end up raiding Conference USA, and that Conference USA, when all is said and done, might end up the very worst football conference in FBS. To reload, Conference USA might look to James Madison and/or Liberty (assuming neither join the Sun Belt in its expansion). Even so, it seems possible that Conference USA schools left behind just might want out.

The question could become: If Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee were both available in a depleted Conference USA, would the MAC want to add them?

I'm not seeing a big advantage for us, but that might be the opportunity that emerges when this all plays out.

JMU wants to be part of the enhanced SBC configuration to include Marshall and ODU.

Based on that report the AAC could very well go with WKU and MT to go with UAB and Rice. WKU though is much more likely.

Where do the Florida twins go in all of this? The MAC could be a good landing spot. What about Charlotte? Do the get a ticket the AAC?

The MAC picking up 1 or 2 pieces when its said and done, even if its Middle Tennessee and Florida International makes sense to strengthen the MAC East.

There is no way in h-e-double hockey sticks Memphis will ever allow Middle Tennessee to ever be in the same conference as them.

If CUSA's numbers shrink to below 8 and MTSU and Western Kentucky are homeless, I can practically assure you that both would be contacting Steinbrecher so fast it would make your head spin.

I suspect Marshall will go AAC.
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(09-13-2021 09:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:04 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

Sure is. Taking UConn/UMass FB-only on the tems of the old Temple/UMass FB deal would bring benefits to Kent State, while raiding CUSA for two or four footloose schools looking for a safe port in the storm and then looking at how they can move on as fast as possible is just more mouths to feed from the same ESPN money.

Where is someone like MT going to go at that point Bruce? If the AAC won't take them because of Memphis and the SBC focused on the Georgia-Virginia corridor they won't have anywhere to go.

ESPN money I believe would negotiate up as the MAC is at the end of its contract.
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(09-13-2021 12:53 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:04 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

Sure is. Taking UConn/UMass FB-only on the tems of the old Temple/UMass FB deal would bring benefits to Kent State, while raiding CUSA for two or four footloose schools looking for a safe port in the storm and then looking at how they can move on as fast as possible is just more mouths to feed from the same ESPN money.

Where is someone like MT going to go at that point Bruce? If the AAC won't take them because of Memphis and the SBC focused on the Georgia-Virginia corridor they won't have anywhere to go.

ESPN money I believe would negotiate up as the MAC is at the end of its contract.

Wasn't the ESPN/MAC contract extended not that long ago? Will check.

EDIT: Contract extended through 2026/27 athletic year: Hint after U.S.A. will be 250 years young.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/Game...T-VB51KiUk
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(09-13-2021 01:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:53 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:04 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

Sure is. Taking UConn/UMass FB-only on the tems of the old Temple/UMass FB deal would bring benefits to Kent State, while raiding CUSA for two or four footloose schools looking for a safe port in the storm and then looking at how they can move on as fast as possible is just more mouths to feed from the same ESPN money.

Where is someone like MT going to go at that point Bruce? If the AAC won't take them because of Memphis and the SBC focused on the Georgia-Virginia corridor they won't have anywhere to go.

ESPN money I believe would negotiate up as the MAC is at the end of its contract.

Wasn't the ESPN/MAC contract ended not that long ago? Will check.

EDIT: Contract extended through 2026/27 athletic year: Hint after U.S.A. will be 250 years young.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/Game...T-VB51KiUk

If you consider anyone from CUSA wouldn't be coming on until 2024 that is not really too far in advance at 2026.
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(09-13-2021 12:53 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 09:04 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The MAC taking in a 2-4 CUSA schools to kill off CUSA is totally different than having to accept UConn/UMass FB only, even if the CUSA schools may move on in a few years.

Sure is. Taking UConn/UMass FB-only on the tems of the old Temple/UMass FB deal would bring benefits to Kent State, while raiding CUSA for two or four footloose schools looking for a safe port in the storm and then looking at how they can move on as fast as possible is just more mouths to feed from the same ESPN money.

Where is someone like MT going to go at that point Bruce?

"At that point" is lifting a lot of weight ... it's a scenario based on a foundation of rumor and speculation with no solid reporting, with some pieces long odds and no piece any better than a coin toss, so the combined probability of it happening is fairly low.

But if the worst case for CUSA is being raided for four by the AAC, and Marshall, ODU and one more school plus JMU going to a 14/16 SBC, CUSA is down to seven, and they add NMSU and are at eight full time members. So at that point allocating CUSA schools to the MAC is not about serving any need of the MAC, it's about making a worst-than-worst case scenario because a conference collapsing is more dramatic and drama is more fun.

Quote: ESPN money I believe would negotiate up as the MAC is at the end of its contract.

But WHY would it "negotiate up" on a per school basis? It doesn't substantially change the value of MACtion, it doesn't make the MAC a sometime NCAA at-large conference. Where is the value add? You believing it because you enjoy imagining surprisiing conference realignment scenarios is not going to get the MAC Presidents on board.
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I know I am biased, but I think ESPN would offer a very mild increase to the per team payout to add WKU to the MAC if that becomes an option. We seem to draw respectable ratings (usually known for a high powered passing offense, people like watching high scoring games), and our basketball rights are usually worth a little as well (usually have some marquee home games in OOC). Probably not enough to offset splitting CFB Playoff payouts, but enough to at least warrant a discussion.
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