(09-14-2021 11:45 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:05 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Btw, the whole MWC merging with the AAC is way easier than people are leading on.

MWC requires a 75% vote to make substantial changes. That’s 8 out of 12 votes. The AAC invites 8 teams, they vote to disband the MWC and the AAC is at 16 teams. Done

No exit fees, no waiting, no nothing.

Utah State, San Jose State and probably Hawaii would probably be eliminated. Who’s the 4th? Wyoming, Nevada???

Fwiw 9/12=75%

It sounds awfully easy, but there may be a fly in the ointment:

Aresco has stated that he's not going to approach any school with any kind of an invitation. He said that he will only talk to people who reach out to him first

In addition, he made it clear that the AAC isn't going to do anything that even resembles "poaching" or "raiding" a conference, but it sounds like this plan would entail exactly that.

The only way any kind of merger would be able to work, based on what Aresco has stated, would be for the MWC or a group of MWC schools to approach Aresco with a merger proposal, and

Assuming that a subset of MWC schools would propose a plan that would require the AAC to cooperate in an attempt to blow up the MWC sounds pretty implausible.

(09-14-2021 12:13 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 08:36 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Based on the posts of BigHouston, Attack and Pesik, they want us to add teams which will cause us to fail. Seems strange since we helped you succeed.

Scorched Earth.

lol---again---which of UAB, LaTech, Buffalo, and AppSt would cause Memphis to fail? Ive stated IF the MW schools are available---then thats the clear and obvious way of moving forward without losing value. However---if the MW schools are off the table----the four schools I think the presidents could very well end up selecting are currently among the very top performers in CUSA, MAC, or the Sunbelt. The eastern replacement pool isnt very sexy---and thats the real problem. Its the same reason we never replaced UConn.

(09-14-2021 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 12:13 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 08:36 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Based on the posts of BigHouston, Attack and Pesik, they want us to add teams which will cause us to fail. Seems strange since we helped you succeed.

Scorched Earth.

lol---again---which of UAB, LaTech, Buffalo, and AppSt would cause Memphis to fail? Ive stated IF the MW schools are available---then that the clear and obvious way of moving forward without losing value. However---if the MW schools are off the table----the four schools I think the presidents could very well end up selecting are currently among the very top performers in CUSA, MAC, or the Sunbelt. The eastern replacement pool isnt very sexy---and thats the real problem. Its the same reason we never replaced UConn.

(09-14-2021 11:45 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:05 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Btw, the whole MWC merging with the AAC is way easier than people are leading on.

MWC requires a 75% vote to make substantial changes. That’s 8 out of 12 votes. The AAC invites 8 teams, they vote to disband the MWC and the AAC is at 16 teams. Done

No exit fees, no waiting, no nothing.

Utah State, San Jose State and probably Hawaii would probably be eliminated. Who’s the 4th? Wyoming, Nevada???

Fwiw 9/12=75%

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Meant to say 8 out of 11. I was told by a MWC friend that Colorado College and Hawaii are both only single sport Affiliate members. I need to double check that.

(09-14-2021 07:27 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:13 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 09:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why is a La Tech fan hyping the Sun Belt?

He’s not. You’re missing his/her point: to trash UL and the SBC, albeit he didn’t succeed.

Your AD, Bryan Maggard said what he said. On Friday, the Daily Advertiser reported it. UL-Lafayette apparently isn't interested in AAC membership.

"Maggard said he feels the Sun Belt is positioned to be stronger than the American Athletic Conference, which is seeing the departures of Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF.

'We want to get aggressive in a smart, sensible, responsible way,' Maggard said. 'We feel like — if you're recruiting against the American — we believe that we have more to recruit to right now than other leagues.'"

This is called SPIN. And it honestly comes off as, "we've (ULL) received word that we are no longer being seriously considered by the AAC for membership, therefore, we're going to publicly reject THEM before they can publicly reject US."

How about owning it, instead of playing BAGHDAD BOB all the time, Franky?

Baghdad bob, lol? WTH does that even mean my little mutt friend.
Oh and I hate to break it to ya but there are 2 AAC reps in LFT this week. Got here last Friday and leaving this Friday. Which is kinda strange if they’ve already rejected us lol.

(09-14-2021 04:42 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:27 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:13 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 09:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why is a La Tech fan hyping the Sun Belt?

He’s not. You’re missing his/her point: to trash UL and the SBC, albeit he didn’t succeed.

Your AD, Bryan Maggard said what he said. On Friday, the Daily Advertiser reported it. UL-Lafayette apparently isn't interested in AAC membership.

"Maggard said he feels the Sun Belt is positioned to be stronger than the American Athletic Conference, which is seeing the departures of Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF.

'We want to get aggressive in a smart, sensible, responsible way,' Maggard said. 'We feel like — if you're recruiting against the American — we believe that we have more to recruit to right now than other leagues.'"

This is called SPIN. And it honestly comes off as, "we've (ULL) received word that we are no longer being seriously considered by the AAC for membership, therefore, we're going to publicly reject THEM before they can publicly reject US."

How about owning it, instead of playing BAGHDAD BOB all the time, Franky?

Baghdad bob, lol? WTH does that even mean my little mutt friend.
Oh and I hate to break it to ya but there are 2 AAC reps in LFT this week. Got here last Friday and leaving this Friday. Which is kinda strange if they’ve already rejected us lol.

Protocol? Visit all the schools that are left?

(09-14-2021 05:15 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:42 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:27 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:13 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 09:45 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why is a La Tech fan hyping the Sun Belt?

He’s not. You’re missing his/her point: to trash UL and the SBC, albeit he didn’t succeed.

Your AD, Bryan Maggard said what he said. On Friday, the Daily Advertiser reported it. UL-Lafayette apparently isn't interested in AAC membership.

"Maggard said he feels the Sun Belt is positioned to be stronger than the American Athletic Conference, which is seeing the departures of Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF.

'We want to get aggressive in a smart, sensible, responsible way,' Maggard said. 'We feel like — if you're recruiting against the American — we believe that we have more to recruit to right now than other leagues.'"

This is called SPIN. And it honestly comes off as, "we've (ULL) received word that we are no longer being seriously considered by the AAC for membership, therefore, we're going to publicly reject THEM before they can publicly reject US."

How about owning it, instead of playing BAGHDAD BOB all the time, Franky?

Baghdad bob, lol? WTH does that even mean my little mutt friend.
Oh and I hate to break it to ya but there are 2 AAC reps in LFT this week. Got here last Friday and leaving this Friday. Which is kinda strange if they’ve already rejected us lol.

Protocol? Visit all the schools that are left?

That’s extremely weak. Can’t you do any better than that?

(09-14-2021 05:22 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 05:15 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:42 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:27 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:13 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  He’s not. You’re missing his/her point: to trash UL and the SBC, albeit he didn’t succeed.

Your AD, Bryan Maggard said what he said. On Friday, the Daily Advertiser reported it. UL-Lafayette apparently isn't interested in AAC membership.

"Maggard said he feels the Sun Belt is positioned to be stronger than the American Athletic Conference, which is seeing the departures of Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF.

'We want to get aggressive in a smart, sensible, responsible way,' Maggard said. 'We feel like — if you're recruiting against the American — we believe that we have more to recruit to right now than other leagues.'"

This is called SPIN. And it honestly comes off as, "we've (ULL) received word that we are no longer being seriously considered by the AAC for membership, therefore, we're going to publicly reject THEM before they can publicly reject US."

How about owning it, instead of playing BAGHDAD BOB all the time, Franky?

Baghdad bob, lol? WTH does that even mean my little mutt friend.
Oh and I hate to break it to ya but there are 2 AAC reps in LFT this week. Got here last Friday and leaving this Friday. Which is kinda strange if they’ve already rejected us lol.

Protocol? Visit all the schools that are left?

That’s extremely weak. Can’t you do any better than that?

I wouldn't be surprised if AAC officials visited some schools that aren't even being talked about, but Louisiana-Lafayette is one of the top teams in the Sun Belt, so it would make sense that they visit schools that fit a unique national profile, which Lafayette has. They would probably be a good addition, but Tulane would likely block them.

(09-14-2021 05:50 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 05:22 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 05:15 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 04:42 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:27 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  Your AD, Bryan Maggard said what he said. On Friday, the Daily Advertiser reported it. UL-Lafayette apparently isn't interested in AAC membership.

"Maggard said he feels the Sun Belt is positioned to be stronger than the American Athletic Conference, which is seeing the departures of Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF.

'We want to get aggressive in a smart, sensible, responsible way,' Maggard said. 'We feel like — if you're recruiting against the American — we believe that we have more to recruit to right now than other leagues.'"

This is called SPIN. And it honestly comes off as, "we've (ULL) received word that we are no longer being seriously considered by the AAC for membership, therefore, we're going to publicly reject THEM before they can publicly reject US."

How about owning it, instead of playing BAGHDAD BOB all the time, Franky?

Baghdad bob, lol? WTH does that even mean my little mutt friend.
Oh and I hate to break it to ya but there are 2 AAC reps in LFT this week. Got here last Friday and leaving this Friday. Which is kinda strange if they’ve already rejected us lol.

Protocol? Visit all the schools that are left?

That’s extremely weak. Can’t you do any better than that?

I wouldn't be surprised if AAC officials visited some schools that aren't even being talked about, but Louisiana-Lafayette is one of the top teams in the Sun Belt, so it would make sense that they visit schools that fit a unique national profile, which Lafayette has. They would probably be a good addition, but Tulane would likely block them.

Let me ask you a question: why do you always have to call us Louisiana-Lafayette, when the whole sporting world knows us as Louisiana? Same with you calling them Louisiana-Monroe? They are ULM. It’s very simple and easy to remember, and a whole lot easier than typing all those extra letters. Or are just trolling?

And no with the whole Tulane blocking us crap. That was never going to happen, and especially not now: there was a whole lot of bonding since both schools have been working closely on covid-19 research.

I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

We are going for winning programs not markets

(09-14-2021 01:22 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:45 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:05 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Btw, the whole MWC merging with the AAC is way easier than people are leading on.

MWC requires a 75% vote to make substantial changes. That’s 8 out of 12 votes. The AAC invites 8 teams, they vote to disband the MWC and the AAC is at 16 teams. Done

No exit fees, no waiting, no nothing.

Utah State, San Jose State and probably Hawaii would probably be eliminated. Who’s the 4th? Wyoming, Nevada???

Fwiw 9/12=75%

It sounds awfully easy, but there may be a fly in the ointment:

Aresco has stated that he's not going to approach any school with any kind of an invitation. He said that he will only talk to people who reach out to him first

In addition, he made it clear that the AAC isn't going to do anything that even resembles "poaching" or "raiding" a conference, but it sounds like this plan would entail exactly that.

The only way any kind of merger would be able to work, based on what Aresco has stated, would be for the MWC or a group of MWC schools to approach Aresco with a merger proposal, and

Assuming that a subset of MWC schools would propose a plan that would require the AAC to cooperate in an attempt to blow up the MWC sounds pretty implausible.

He won’t reach out… that doesn’t mean that the AACs media consultants won’t. His media consultants will be talking to everyone.

At least a few MWC teams will reach out… and it will “accidentally” leak. Then every MWC team will be concerned it will be left out, and then they will reach out.

Is it improbable that this will happen… maybe, but come tell me 5 years ago thay OU and Texas would be in the SEC and the Big 12 would survive and add the four they did??? I can believe anything now.

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

Rice gives us nothing, no fans, no market. Aside from baseball, they seem to care less about athletics. Marshall, App St, UAB even Coastal Car or Louisiana would be much better choices.

(09-14-2021 08:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

We are going for winning programs not markets

We really aren’t. I promise you the names being discussed, most don’t have a prayer.

Markets and Academics will still matter. It’s not like Tulane was added to their value at the time. Potential was there but their kick ass market and amazing academics helped.

We have 5 schools that are basically top 100. We still have many schools with amazing markets. That’s what drives value.

Not semi recent success. Think about how many have come and gone. NIU used to be THE school. Akron had a year or two. Marshall had their run… Souther miss back in the day.

See what I am saying? App state may very well end up the same as the rest and when the winning stops, we’re stuck with a school in a market the size of a pencil eraser.

Recent success won’t mean anything.

(09-14-2021 08:19 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

We are going for winning programs not markets

We really aren’t. I promise you the names being discussed, most don’t have a prayer.

Markets and Academics will still matter. It’s not like Tulane was added to their value at the time. Potential was there but their kick ass market and amazing academics helped.

We have 5 schools that are basically top 100. We still have many schools with amazing markets. That’s what drives value.

Not semi recent success. Think about how many have come and gone. NIU used to be THE school. Akron had a year or two. Marshall had their run… Souther miss back in the day.

See what I am saying? App state may very well end up the same as the rest and when the winning stops, we’re stuck with a school in a market the size of a pencil eraser.

Recent success won’t mean anything.

UCF moving on broke you.


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(09-14-2021 08:08 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

Rice gives us nothing, no fans, no market. Aside from baseball, they seem to care less about athletics. Marshall, App St, UAB even Coastal Car or Louisiana would be much better choices.

And yet they, UAB and Marshall are all being seriously considered.

Tulane, ECU, and Temple we’re all added and none were the current hot team. Hell, Memphis at the time wasn’t great… but they had so much more than just a couple winning seasons.

You don’t build for the future by adding a flash in the pan.

(09-14-2021 08:20 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:19 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

We are going for winning programs not markets

We really aren’t. I promise you the names being discussed, most don’t have a prayer.

Markets and Academics will still matter. It’s not like Tulane was added to their value at the time. Potential was there but their kick ass market and amazing academics helped.

We have 5 schools that are basically top 100. We still have many schools with amazing markets. That’s what drives value.

Not semi recent success. Think about how many have come and gone. NIU used to be THE school. Akron had a year or two. Marshall had their run… Souther miss back in the day.

See what I am saying? App state may very well end up the same as the rest and when the winning stops, we’re stuck with a school in a market the size of a pencil eraser.

Recent success won’t mean anything.

UCF moving on broke you.


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Not really. Nothing changed for me except I don’t have to deal with their fans shortly. All in all, a damn good day.

(09-14-2021 08:01 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

We are going for winning programs not markets

I know you can do better than this, but maybe I’m wrong.

(09-14-2021 08:21 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:08 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

Rice gives us nothing, no fans, no market. Aside from baseball, they seem to care less about athletics. Marshall, App St, UAB even Coastal Car or Louisiana would be much better choices.

And yet they, UAB and Marshall are all being seriously considered.

Tulane, ECU, and Temple we’re all added and none were the current hot team. Hell, Memphis at the time wasn’t great… but they had so much more than just a couple winning seasons.

You don’t build for the future by adding a flash in the pan.

you can choose to go marketz and thats a fair strategy. If you want a big TV market where no one cares or watches then definitely look elsewhere.

But App is not a flash in the pan. Inviting CCU on their 1 good season would be a flash in the pan invite. We have 2 losing seasons over the last 30 years.

But if you are going to go marketz, stay away from Marshall.

Liberty and UAB are 2 schools that are heavily invested in football. UAB just built a nice, large stadium and Liberty hasn't had a losing season since 2005 if FCS or FBS. Liberty has been the most successful school perhaps ever transferring to FBS other than App. State. UAB has had 4 winning seasons in a row, I believe winning Conference USA twice.

This whole thing about markets is what killed Conference USA. Charlotte competes with Charlotte sports teams, ODU will compete with Washington sports teams. Obsessing about markets instead of winners will lead to doom.