(09-09-2021 09:19 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Navy will stay if one of the following three schools comes into the conference:

1. Rice
2. Army
3. Air Force

And I think Rice will join the AAC and the other two will not.

Nothing says P6 like Rice, Army and Air Force.

(09-08-2021 09:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’m not hearing anything from Navy fans about this. Even our favorite Navy poster has been vague on this subject—and he’s extremely PRO AAC.
Does Navy want to stay in the AAC or go independent now?

Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

Stay and sing about it?

Navy would be welcome in the ACC in all sports but basketball. It's as simple as that. Navy participates in 3 annual football games that would be of value to the ACCN - Army, ND, and Air Force. Annapolis is locate in MD between DC and Baltimore. Navy as an addition to ACC bowl choices is something that might be of value to the Sun Bowl and Holiday Bowl as well as the Boston, Military, and Pin Stripe bowl.

(09-09-2021 09:46 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 09:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’m not hearing anything from Navy fans about this. Even our favorite Navy poster has been vague on this subject—and he’s extremely PRO AAC.
Does Navy want to stay in the AAC or go independent now?

Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

Stay and sing about it?

Navy would be welcome in the ACC in all sports but basketball. It's as simple as that. Navy participates in 3 annual football games that would be of value to the ACCN - Army, ND, and Air Force. Annapolis is locate in MD between DC and Baltimore. Navy as an addition to ACC bowl choices is something that might be of value to the Sun Bowl and Holiday Bowl as well as the Boston, Military, and Pin Stripe bowl.

Then why don't they be the other half of the Notre Dame schedule with the ACC? Notre Dame plays 5 ACC schools and Navy play 5 ACC schools.

Why? Because you are wrong.

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’m not hearing anything from Navy fans about this. Even our favorite Navy poster has been vague on this subject—and he’s extremely PRO AAC.
Does Navy want to stay in the AAC or go independent now?

Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

Triple, I believe.

If Notre Dame for whatever reason demanded Navy be 16 for them to be all in at 15 then sure Navy would be in the ACC tomorrow. Otherwise no the ACC doesn't want Navy in any way.

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’m not hearing anything from Navy fans about this. Even our favorite Navy poster has been vague on this subject—and he’s extremely PRO AAC.
Does Navy want to stay in the AAC or go independent now?

Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

ACC with Notre Dame. Only if ND is interested. Their "option" has about a 1% chance of ever happening.

(09-09-2021 10:50 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’m not hearing anything from Navy fans about this. Even our favorite Navy poster has been vague on this subject—and he’s extremely PRO AAC.
Does Navy want to stay in the AAC or go independent now?

Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

ACC with Notre Dame. Only if ND is interested. Their "option" has about a 1% chance of ever happening.

How does that fit their "must play in Texas" needs?

(09-09-2021 10:52 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 10:50 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’m not hearing anything from Navy fans about this. Even our favorite Navy poster has been vague on this subject—and he’s extremely PRO AAC.
Does Navy want to stay in the AAC or go independent now?

Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

ACC with Notre Dame. Only if ND is interested. Their "option" has about a 1% chance of ever happening.

How does that fit their "must play in Texas" needs?

Well there's 4 ooc games available every season

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(09-09-2021 10:54 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 10:52 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 10:50 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Navy has another option if they want it.

What’s their other option?

ACC with Notre Dame. Only if ND is interested. Their "option" has about a 1% chance of ever happening.

How does that fit their "must play in Texas" needs?

Well there's 4 ooc games available every season

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3 of those are taken by Army, Air Force and Notre Dame.

(09-09-2021 10:56 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 10:54 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 10:52 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 10:50 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 07:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  What’s their other option?

ACC with Notre Dame. Only if ND is interested. Their "option" has about a 1% chance of ever happening.

How does that fit their "must play in Texas" needs?

Well there's 4 ooc games available every season

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3 of those are taken by Army, Air Force and Notre Dame.

Not if Notre Dame is a division game. That opens up 2 slots so I stand sort of corrected. They shouldn't have much problem getting one each season. That's all they get in the AAC.

Where does the Navy 'must play in Texas' thing come from? Looking at their old independent schedules there were plenty of years where they didn't have a game in Texas.

In 2013 they happened to get a bowl in Texas, but no regularly scheduled games. And then no Texas games in 2012, 2010, 2008, or 2006. I got bored of checking schedules after that

(09-09-2021 08:44 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I think Navy should go independent and reach a scheduling agreement with the AAC similar to Notre Dame with the ACC. All the service academies should do the same. Army, Navy and Air Force should be playing national schedules. Those programs are a recruiting tool for the Armed Forces. Locking them into a conference is a disservice to College Football.

Navy should attempt to attract Air Force and Army to join them in the AAC. While not the same level of football competition, they bring brands that would be solid replacement for Cincy, UCF, and Houston...and the American branding is spot on - with all three military academies part of the conference.

The AAC can provide the three military academies with national schedules. And, with new OOC openings, they can each fill the gaps as they deem appropriate. Probably get decent bowl game relationships, too.

Navy and Army belong in the IVY league

Air Force isn't joining the AAC. Unlike Navy, all Air Force teams play in the MWC. It makes no sense to travel to AAC locations for the same money. They play Navy every year anyway. Who else would they care about playing in the AAC? Do they really want to split their programs into multiple conferences. Further, AF has long term connections with MWC schools. Plus, AF already told the B12 not to consider them the last time the B12 thought about expanding, since they did not feel they could compete in all sports. So, they seem pretty happy right where they are at. There simply is no good reason for AF to join the AAC.

(09-09-2021 08:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 08:53 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I feel like it depends on how the AAC reloads, and where the schools are located. I don't know how happy Navy and Temple will be if they're left on an island in the mid atlantic, but their schedules now are still overall stronger than they were as an independent.

Navy I could see maybe doing it, Temple is not paying the 10 million buyout to go anywhere else. They don't have the BE to go to like UCONN did. Temple may not love their options or the island they are stuck on, but they are stuck there.

I agree.

If the Big East is a legitimate basketball/all-sports option, then sure, independence could be possible. That's not happening for Temple. The only AAC school where that could even be plausibly explored is Memphis (and that's still highly unlikely).

IMO, Navy should be independent. I've thought that all along. But that's not their opinion, obviously.

So that said, as I never thought their membership in the AAC hinged on UCF, Cincy or Houston, I think they will stay.

(09-09-2021 09:46 AM)Statefan Wrote:  Navy would be welcome in the ACC in all sports but basketball. It's as simple as that.

This scenario was floated circa 2012 as a tandem of Navy football and Georgetown basketball/other sports to "keep" the DC market. That got shot down quickly.

(09-08-2021 11:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  I don’t see this really changing much for Navy, especially if Rice is a replacement.

Navy played in the Oyster Bowl at Foreman Field quite a bit. I wonder if they’d like Old Dominion in the East.

I think Rice or at least another Texas school is the key to keeping Navy. They love playing in the state of Texas every season, particularly for recruiting reasons. Inviting a school located in Texas ensures that, especially if the AAC keeps Navy in the West division. (It doesn’t have to be Rice; it just has to be a school in Texas that plays FBS football.)

Temple wouldn’t survive log-term as an independent. They’d struggle the same way any non-service academy G5 is destined to. Navy isn’t joining the MWC. Navy will have plenty of influence over which schools are added to the AAC. I expect them to stay in the conference for now. If / when the AAC loses another member(s) Navy will reassess.

(09-09-2021 11:14 AM)MU88 Wrote:  Air Force isn't joining the AAC. Unlike Navy, all Air Force teams play in the MWC. It makes no sense to travel to AAC locations for the same money. They play Navy every year anyway. Who else would they care about playing in the AAC? Do they really want to split their programs into multiple conferences. Further, AF has long term connections with MWC schools. Plus, AF already told the B12 not to consider them the last time the B12 thought about expanding, since they did not feel they could compete in all sports. So, they seem pretty happy right where they are at. There simply is no good reason for AF to join the AAC.

Well, the Air Force coach has questioned their conference affiliation.

https://gazette.com/sports/air-force-coa...fb6ce.html

Air Force has played New Mexico - MWC conference game - in Texas. They're playing Army in Texas this year and next year.

The big question is what to do with Olympic sports, but I note that half of AFA's Olympic sports travel is to California and Nevada....twice the distance of Wichita, Tulsa, and Dallas from Colorado Springs and further than Memphis and New Orleans.

If the occasional Olympic sports road trips to Philadelphia, Florida and North Carolina are just too much, the WAC would be a good home for AFA's Olympic sports....and more competitive for them.