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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 10:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: (09-02-2021 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.
Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Apparently, it is YOU who doesnt know how averages work.
The sources I've seen only present the mean, not the median. That's why I said roughly half.
The point remains the same though. At six weeks, a significant percentage of women still won't know they are pregnant.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5269518/
The MEAN is AVERAGE. What you were presenting, where you said that half of the women didnt know until after 5.5 weeks, would be the MODE, which is not what these papers were saying if they were speaking of averages. You could have 90% of the women knowing by week 3, and a few who claim willful ignorance until the 5th month where they have missed a handful of periods and gained 30 pounds that they "guess" they might be pregnant. That skews the numbers significantly wo where it would push the average out to almost 6 weeks. The true mode for that age group would be 3 to 4 weeks.
Most women are going to know around week 3 that something is up. By week 6, most women in that study group of ages would have missed their second period.
The MODE is the number that occurs most frequently in a data set.
If my dataset is 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10
2 would be the MODE because it occurred 3 times in the above data set.
As for everything else you mentioned, I get that outliers could skew the average, but that doesn't change the fact that 6 weeks doesn't allow a large percentage of women to A) become aware of their pregnancy and B) arrange to have a procedure to terminate their pregnancy.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-01-2021 06:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: This is one of those weird political fights that is entirely driven by the extremes and the rational and reasonable regular folks are drowned out.
No decent person wants abortion to be used as a contraceptive. No decent person wants to see the government install over the top and heavy handed regulations which sets the system up to hurt people.
That's so 1973.
Abortion will only be used in cases of rape or incest, or to protect the life of the mother.
Fast-forward to 2021 and less than 3% of all abortions are for those specific reasons. over 97% are simply for convenience. In other words, people want to kill their babies just because.
If that's not an alternative to contraception then tell me what it is.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 10:56 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (09-01-2021 06:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: This is one of those weird political fights that is entirely driven by the extremes and the rational and reasonable regular folks are drowned out.
No decent person wants abortion to be used as a contraceptive. No decent person wants to see the government install over the top and heavy handed regulations which sets the system up to hurt people.
That's so 1973.
Abortion will only be used in cases of rape or incest, or to protect the life of the mother.
Fast-forward to 2021 and less than 3% of all abortions are for those specific reasons. over 97% are simply for convenience. In other words, people want to kill their babies just because.
If that's not an alternative to contraception then tell me what it is.
Most abortions are done because the dude that broke his meat off in the chick hauled ass.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 10:44 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 10:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: (09-02-2021 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Apparently, it is YOU who doesnt know how averages work.
The sources I've seen only present the mean, not the median. That's why I said roughly half.
The point remains the same though. At six weeks, a significant percentage of women still won't know they are pregnant.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5269518/
The MEAN is AVERAGE. What you were presenting, where you said that half of the women didnt know until after 5.5 weeks, would be the MODE, which is not what these papers were saying if they were speaking of averages. You could have 90% of the women knowing by week 3, and a few who claim willful ignorance until the 5th month where they have missed a handful of periods and gained 30 pounds that they "guess" they might be pregnant. That skews the numbers significantly wo where it would push the average out to almost 6 weeks. The true mode for that age group would be 3 to 4 weeks.
Most women are going to know around week 3 that something is up. By week 6, most women in that study group of ages would have missed their second period.
T I get that outliers could skew the average, but that doesn't change the fact that 6 weeks doesn't allow a large percentage of women to A) become aware of their pregnancy and B) arrange to have a procedure to terminate their pregnancy.
Sure it does. The vast majority of women would know. Keep in mind, some of them that are "unaware" simply dont care to be aware, and under the former system of abortion on demand, didnt need to be aware. That, in of itself, is dangerous. So the law may have a by-product of making some people more responsible than they currently are.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 08:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: (09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: 6 weeks is not a logical time frame.
Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.
Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.
Heartbeat detected too bad
The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.
You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.
So why the hypocrisy ?
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Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?
Yeah I dont look at it that way at all.
Just imagine how many of these unwanted babies could have turned out to be great assets to human kind.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 08:50 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: (09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: 6 weeks is not a logical time frame.
Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.
Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.
Heartbeat detected too bad
The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.
You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.
So why the hypocrisy ?
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45% of pregnancies are unplanned.
Birth control (shots, patches, implants, condoms, etc... ) aren't 100% effective.
Improperly put on a condom one night or forget to take the daily pill just once and there's a chance sexual activity will result in a pregnancy.
So you have the same opinion on the COVID vaccine, correct?
And yes there is another option thats fail proof
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 08:50 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.
Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.
Heartbeat detected too bad
The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.
You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.
So why the hypocrisy ?
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45% of pregnancies are unplanned.
Birth control (shots, patches, implants, condoms, etc... ) aren't 100% effective.
Improperly put on a condom one night or forget to take the daily pill just once and there's a chance sexual activity will result in a pregnancy.
Whether or not a pregnancy is planned or not is irrelevant. Just because you dont plan to be broke when you retire doesnt mean you wont be broke when you retire if the actions you are taking will make you broke when you retire.
And because we know that birth control isnt 100% effective, it means we know that we are reducing, but not eliminating the odds of pregnancy. That means if a woman has had sex, and she misses her period, she cant throw her head in the sand and say she was unaware she was pregnant because she wasnt planning a pregnancy.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 09:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: I am a Pro Choice Republican..... There is a point where it should be too late to abort, but I do not have a specific opinion of when that should be.
There are people who are simply unfit to bare and raise a child. Children born to these people have a high likelihood to be exposed to abuse, drugs, poverty, abandonment and just a long (or short) hard life that had nothing to do with anything but being unlucky enough to be born by a parent who was probably raised the same way. AKA socio-economic abortions - AKA "Ooops Abortions". I don't know how I feel about these in totality, but in general terms I still agree with them.
As for abortions that are health related (for the fetus or the mother) I am 100% on board with.
It’s a common cop out agreeing that there is a point that is too late but not having an opinion as to when that is. It either is or it isn’t.
And your entire second paragraph screams minorities. Planned parenthood would agree as they abort black babies like there is a BOGO sale going on every day.
It is not a cop out. I am not a doctor or scientist. I simply cannot tell you when life begins. You want to say heartbeat... that is an opinion, you want to say the nano-second the sperm and egg join... this is an opinion as well, you want to pull some other benchmark of time in the process that is opinion too.
From a pure speculative point of when the fetus can "feel" anything - that is opinion as well. Other than a hand full of people who are likely crazy and/or lying to attempt to make a point, nobody remembers anything from being in the womb.
As for your second comment I did not mention minorities, you did. I have come across lots and lots of people of all ethnicities who should never be raising a child in any capacity.
Do you have kids?
If so, did you see a sonogram? If you did, you’d fight to the death to defend the human in that sonogram
I have three kids - I would never consider abortion as an option if given that wads my decision to make. I to subscribe to my body my choice - That includes abortion, vaccines, alcohol, drugs etc....
We all have decisions to make about our body for any of those items mentioned above and 1,000's of other things every single day. Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you what to do as long as your decision doesn't directly affect me and vice-versa.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 11:47 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: I have three kids - I would never consider abortion as an option if given that wads my decision to make. I to subscribe to my body my choice - That includes abortion, vaccines, alcohol, drugs etc....
We all have decisions to make about our body for any of those items mentioned above and 1,000's of other things every single day. Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you what to do as long as your decision doesn't directly affect me and vice-versa.
I completely agree with you in theory. It's just really hard for me to condone the murder of innocents.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 11:47 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: (09-02-2021 09:04 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote: I am a Pro Choice Republican..... There is a point where it should be too late to abort, but I do not have a specific opinion of when that should be.
There are people who are simply unfit to bare and raise a child. Children born to these people have a high likelihood to be exposed to abuse, drugs, poverty, abandonment and just a long (or short) hard life that had nothing to do with anything but being unlucky enough to be born by a parent who was probably raised the same way. AKA socio-economic abortions - AKA "Ooops Abortions". I don't know how I feel about these in totality, but in general terms I still agree with them.
As for abortions that are health related (for the fetus or the mother) I am 100% on board with.
It’s a common cop out agreeing that there is a point that is too late but not having an opinion as to when that is. It either is or it isn’t.
And your entire second paragraph screams minorities. Planned parenthood would agree as they abort black babies like there is a BOGO sale going on every day.
It is not a cop out. I am not a doctor or scientist. I simply cannot tell you when life begins. You want to say heartbeat... that is an opinion, you want to say the nano-second the sperm and egg join... this is an opinion as well, you want to pull some other benchmark of time in the process that is opinion too.
From a pure speculative point of when the fetus can "feel" anything - that is opinion as well. Other than a hand full of people who are likely crazy and/or lying to attempt to make a point, nobody remembers anything from being in the womb.
As for your second comment I did not mention minorities, you did. I have come across lots and lots of people of all ethnicities who should never be raising a child in any capacity.
Do you have kids?
If so, did you see a sonogram? If you did, you’d fight to the death to defend the human in that sonogram
I have three kids - I would never consider abortion as an option if given that wads my decision to make. I to subscribe to my body my choice - That includes abortion, vaccines, alcohol, drugs etc....
We all have decisions to make about our body for any of those items mentioned above and 1,000's of other things every single day. Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you what to do as long as your decision doesn't directly affect me and vice-versa.
Did you have the kids or did your wife
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 11:59 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:
Aint nobody gonna jump on those fat whatevers... they can head on home
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 12:01 PM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 11:59 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:
Aint nobody gonna jump on those fat whatevers... they can head on home
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I see nothing but a bunch of covid comorbidities out there. Did they show their Jenny Craig card before entering the premesis?
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
Quote:For many of these tests, hCG can be detected in your urine about 10 days after conception. However, taking it after your missed period reduces the chance of getting a false-negative.
If you are going to have sex its not that expensive to find out if you have a child inside you. Most cases with in 1.5 weeks. So that still leaves you 4.5 weeks to kill that child.
RESPOSIBILTY should be on the person having sex.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY only cost a few dollars
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 11:13 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: (09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.
Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.
Heartbeat detected too bad
The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.
You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.
So why the hypocrisy ?
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Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?
Yeah I dont look at it that way at all.
Just imagine how many of these unwanted babies could have turned out to be great assets to human kind.
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It isn’t wrong to say that, just unlikely.
The great weight of those unwanted kids will fill out prisons and commit crimes.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 12:21 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (09-02-2021 11:13 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.
Heartbeat detected too bad
The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.
You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.
So why the hypocrisy ?
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Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?
Yeah I dont look at it that way at all.
Just imagine how many of these unwanted babies could have turned out to be great assets to human kind.
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It isn’t wrong to say that, just unlikely.
The great weight of those unwanted kids will fill out prisons and commit crimes.
Not an excuse to kill them. You sound like a KKK member from the 1950s. A CHILD in the womb is not part of a mother's body just like an egg outside of a bird's body isn't. Its not a mole or wart, it is a person being incubated to be freed from the mother's body once it has matured enough to survive outside of the body. The baby is the one that prepares itself to be freed. Not the mother. The child will come out whether the mother wants it to or not. It is a living and soon to be breathing entity all on its own.
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
(09-02-2021 12:21 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (09-02-2021 11:13 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote: (09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.
Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.
Heartbeat detected too bad
The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.
You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.
So why the hypocrisy ?
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Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?
Yeah I dont look at it that way at all.
Just imagine how many of these unwanted babies could have turned out to be great assets to human kind.
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It isn’t wrong to say that, just unlikely.
The great weight of those unwanted kids will fill out prisons and commit crimes.
Since a large majority of abortions are black and brown babies...
Id say your last statement sounds like an unintentional racist broad brush.
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Not sure if unintentional
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RE: TX Anti Abortion Law Is In Place - Toobin the zoom masturbator is upsetz
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