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(07-21-2021 04:00 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  Yeah, this is where the power 4-5 break off from the rest of us. We go back to FCS.

Anyhow, we should be breaking down doors at those P5 HQ’s, trying to get out of this league to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Otherwise, this stadium and momentum we have was all for nothing.

I truly do believe the big 12 dies if those two leave. What are those other 8 schools gonna do?

Really? Do you really believe that? I’m ashamed of giving up because I missed what was truly, in relative terms, a miracle of determination. Do you think the people that made all this happen dusted off their hands and walked away?
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I believe it to certain extents. Things are great for me. Im gonna be at UABs games regardless of conference, record, or whether it’s at legion field.

having a Memphis, Cincy, UCF, Houston come to town was going to bring a buzz back to town that hasn’t ever been here while we’ve played football.

Now they are likely moving two steps ahead. Will this kill the opportunity to consistently bring in the casual fans? We’ll find out pretty soon. I’m not sold on “if you build it, they will come”, putting the type of crowds we’ve dreamed of playing in front of.

The positives to look at: we diehards are living our best lives when all we really wanted was a place to call our own. We didn’t schedule any AAC schools beyond this year and now realignment is here. maybe we’ll get lucky and none of the AAC gets a call up and we get to join a conference with them.

My hope is that our athletics foundation stayed on Mark Ingram’s and #FireRayWatts case about conversations with other leagues and us making the jump, that many feel we are in the best position over 60 of 70 or more g5 schools.
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It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.
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(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not.
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(07-26-2021 02:07 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not.
I don't know if I agree with the entire premise of your statement because a lot of what is categorized as power 5 is 100% marketing. Therefore whether U. Memphis, UCF, or UAB the powers that be would make those programs top recognized brands in short order because the networks drive the discussions more than what we think. It's like listening to a bad song on the radio every time you
get in your car. Before long you know lyrics, the melody, and actively enjoy the ride humming along (Milli-Vanilli).
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(07-26-2021 02:27 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:07 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not.
I don't know if I agree with the entire premise of your statement because a lot of what is categorized as power 5 is 100% marketing. Therefore whether U. Memphis, UCF, or UAB the powers that be would make those programs top recognized brands in short order because the networks drive the discussions more than what we think. It's like listening to a bad song on the radio every time you
get in your car. Before long you know lyrics, the melody, and actively enjoy the ride humming along (Milli-Vanilli).

I would like to counter your Milli Vanilli reference. Their songs were good. Whoever it was singing for them were good. They themselves were horrible; they couldn't sing a lick!
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(07-26-2021 02:27 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:07 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not.
I don't know if I agree with the entire premise of your statement because a lot of what is categorized as power 5 is 100% marketing. Therefore whether U. Memphis, UCF, or UAB the powers that be would make those programs top recognized brands in short order because the networks drive the discussions more than what we think. It's like listening to a bad song on the radio every time you
get in your car. Before long you know lyrics, the melody, and actively enjoy the ride humming along (Milli-Vanilli).

All the value is derived from Texas and Oklahoma. Big 12 TV deal is going to be slashed by 50 percent or more.

To use another analogy. You and I can sing "Let it Be" and cut our hair in a moptop, but that doesn't make us the Beatles. Slapping a Big 12 logo onto Cincinnati jerseys won't make them Texas.
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(07-26-2021 02:38 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:27 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:07 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not.
I don't know if I agree with the entire premise of your statement because a lot of what is categorized as power 5 is 100% marketing. Therefore whether U. Memphis, UCF, or UAB the powers that be would make those programs top recognized brands in short order because the networks drive the discussions more than what we think. It's like listening to a bad song on the radio every time you
get in your car. Before long you know lyrics, the melody, and actively enjoy the ride humming along (Milli-Vanilli).

All the value is derived from Texas and Oklahoma. Big 12 TV deal is going to be slashed by 50 percent or more.

To use another analogy. You and I can sing "Let it Be" and cut our hair in a moptop, but that doesn't make us the Beatles. Slapping a Big 12 logo onto Cincinnati jerseys won't make them Texas.
No it won't make them Texas but it will market Cincinnati a whole lot more. Do you actually think West Virginia is all that....no but big television revenue allows for WV to become a household recognized entity.
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(07-26-2021 02:49 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:38 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:27 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:07 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not. This has already been explored to great end. The Big 12 thoroughly vetted every viable American and Mountain West member. It was determined none of them could move the needle. This was with them having the opportunity to include OU and UT in the figures. That is now gone. All this means is that there is nothing the Big 12 can do to keep Texas and OU short of raiding big brands from the P5. Which isn't happening. And it still means that if the Big 12 has any members left, it will raid the AAC / MWC and not the other way around.
I don't know if I agree with the entire premise of your statement because a lot of what is categorized as power 5 is 100% marketing. Therefore whether U. Memphis, UCF, or UAB the powers that be would make those programs top recognized brands in short order because the networks drive the discussions more than what we think. It's like listening to a bad song on the radio every time you
get in your car. Before long you know lyrics, the melody, and actively enjoy the ride humming along (Milli-Vanilli).

All the value is derived from Texas and Oklahoma. Big 12 TV deal is going to be slashed by 50 percent or more.

To use another analogy. You and I can sing "Let it Be" and cut our hair in a moptop, but that doesn't make us the Beatles. Slapping a Big 12 logo onto Cincinnati jerseys won't make them Texas.
No it won't make them Texas but it will market Cincinnati a whole lot more. Do you actually think West Virginia is all that....no but big television revenue allows for WV to become a household recognized entity.

West Virginia was a much bigger brand than Cincinnati already. And they're in danger of being knocked down a peg anyway. And West Virginia's TV revenue is about to take a monstrous shave. That revenue exists because they play Oklahoma and Texas. That's about to end.
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I think there's a legit chance that the ACC takes a run at West Virginia, assuming the conference also makes a move. I'd throw in UCF and Memphis as possibles.
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(07-26-2021 02:27 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 02:07 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  
(07-26-2021 01:57 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  It has not been unusual for NFL owners to threaten to move their team to another city in order to force their present city to give them the stadium deal they want. Perhaps what we are seeing from TX and OK is the same tactic being used to prod the BIG 12 to live up to its name by bringing in the strongest possible programs from G5 leagues - maybe even more than two. The tactic has worked for pro sports owners so it might work for universities as well.

They are gone. Big 12 tried to throw money at them yesterday, and were met with thanks but no thanks. And they could've added those G5 programs anytime over the past 5 years. There are no G5 programs that add enough value for that to happen, and there still are not.
I don't know if I agree with the entire premise of your statement because a lot of what is categorized as power 5 is 100% marketing. Therefore whether U. Memphis, UCF, or UAB the powers that be would make those programs top recognized brands in short order because the networks drive the discussions more than what we think. It's like listening to a bad song on the radio every time you
get in your car. Before long you know lyrics, the melody, and actively enjoy the ride humming along (Milli-Vanilli).

Nah, man..."Set Adrift on Memory Bliss" from P.M. Dawn
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(07-25-2021 02:47 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  
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(07-24-2021 01:52 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  The facility stretch that we’ve had is just to put us at par with our peers. Hence why we’re too cheap to tear down the basketball building and go bigger. There’s not a team in our conference, that’s at the top, that doesn’t have decent facilities. What looks nice to us, may not compare to others considering certain things we have now that we didn’t have before rebirth.
Our facilities are generally better than anybody's in CUSA and half the AAC.

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I was delighted that after almost thirty years of UAB football, the program finally built its first new football facility. Just don't lose perspective over it since the Football Operations Building was a "catch up facility" among our competitors, not a "surpass facility". When I posted the question of what the program should build next, all I got was the forum equivalent of blank stares. It was like we had built all we ever would need and nothing more could be added. I would be surprised if FBHC Clark does not have such a shopping list in his hands waiting only to be asked. He might paraphrase from Winston Churchill's speech after the El Alamein victory that the new building is not the end but only the end of the beginning. Since the OCS is off the table, what does UAB football build next to remain competitive?

Obviously, there was a need to catch up but I think the facilities also surpassed most of UAB's competitors. You're wrong if you think the goal was merely to catch up. I've seen all the football facilities and practice areas in C-USA and UAB is definitely in the top tier. North Texas, in my opinion, is the only one that rivals UAB. I don't think anybody within the program, especially Coach Clark, is content with not evolving. I would think the next thing that needs to be addressed is an athletic cafeteria/nutrition area.

Interesting that you mention that facility improvement since my other favorite school announced last spring that they will spend $5 million on upgrading athletic nutrition facilities.

Your other team has more money than it knows what to do with. We're on a C-USA budget, and since we are not allowed to issue construction bonds for athletics, our fans and donors have to cough up the money in advance. How many people do you know who pay cash for their house instead of financing it?
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I’m almost afraid to read what the response to this will be….
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(07-27-2021 11:57 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I think there's a legit chance that the ACC takes a run at West Virginia, assuming the conference also makes a move. I'd throw in UCF and Memphis as possibles.

I think the ACC stance right now is to hold on to what you got and convince Notre Dame to join. The GOR for the ACC isn't over until 2036 and even though their TV contract sucks, that is still a lot of money to have to pay to the ACC if a program or two or three leaves.

Personally, I think the ACC would be more interested in UCF or Cincinnati than West Virginia. On paper, WVU is the better than those other two programs but their TV market isn't appealing at all and this realignment is about who brings value financially to your conference.

So unless they get desperate I don't see the ACC making that move.
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It could easily go that way, you make a good argument.

As to Notre Dame, I'd be amazed if they gave up their independence. They're the one exception to the rule. They have a big following nationwide. They draw good crowds anywhere they go. They are a blue-chip traditional power with all the trimmings. ND likes and values the ability to play games all over the nation for TV match-ups, recruiting presence, and the big dollar deals they make to schedule them. They can play in California, Texas, Florida, New York, wherever they can make a high value contract. Having the Notre Dame contract puts a network in the college football picture even if they have no one else.
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The more i read and hear, I think the AAC has a decent chance of coming out of this unscathed and even adding some quality programs. Its 50/50 on what happens to the Big 12, either dissolving or surviving and poaching from the AAC. I really believe the remainder of the Big 12 is going to look for a way out. If only 2 or 3 teams are left i dont see the AAC being the backfill. I see the AAC or possibly the MWC being the landing spot.
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As frustrating as it must be to be a Big 12 fan in the middle of all this, I think it's worse being far down the food chain. We all sit here and speculate, discuss rumors with sourcing that we'd normally laugh at, and not a damn one of us knows a damn thing, really. All we can do is wait and see how the chips fall.

Big 12 fans may have the axe hanging over their heads, but we're way back in the line watching and waiting for our turn to come. It sucks. At least when it breaks for them they'll know what's happening first.
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This is why we thought things won’t go well for UAB.

It appears ESPN conspired with the AAC and talked some Big 12 schools into joining in order to kill the rest of the Big 12 tv contract.
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(07-28-2021 06:00 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  This is why we thought things won’t go well for UAB.

It appears ESPN conspired with the AAC and talked some Big 12 schools into joining in order to kill the rest of the Big 12 tv contract.

Sounds right. Id be lobbying hard to get into the Sunbelt if this is true. Ultimately jt may not matter but right now it may be our only chance of "upgrading."
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If the goal was to make the sport less popular, they are well on their way.
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