(07-22-2021 09:49 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 07:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 06:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Are we counting when jake Plummer was there? The answer is Kansas without hesitation. Next question…

Jake Plummer wouldn’t crack a top-1000 list of what makes ASU valuable. Heck, ASU doesn’t even have to be good in football to be valuable - that’s just a bonus.

ASU is one of the largest schools in the country in the #11 media market - a growing market ASU has to themselves for college sports. That’s exactly what other universities covet - a location they can both recruit students from and reengage and reconnect with alums in. ASU could finish last in football year after year, and still be immensely valuable. Location, and all its effects, will only age better for ASU and worse for KU over the next 100 years.

KU is AAU and ASU is not. If a league uses AAU strictly as a gatekeeper, ASU loses out. But it’s worth noting ASU’s federal research awards exceed several AAU schools, and I’d imagine university presidents are aware of it.

I think you're vastly overestimating the region and prowess of the school. Just look at how poorly all their pro sports teams fare money wise. Suns did great this year so everyone finally jumped on the bandwagon.

I want to point out I was not poo poo’ing Arizona state. Just Kansas has a marquee money making program. In 2021 where here RSN’s carry much less weight than they did even five years ago based purely on market (as now propel have more options to subscribe or not- not where everyone has to- attractive content is better than just being in a large market. Plus football - outside of the sec- often has ****** games on conference networks. Only basketball, baseball, and women’s basketball actually get marquee games there. So a good program can outweigh just being in a big market…. Unless you truly own that market. But none of the teams possibly being left out are in that position, so it comes to what your niche is. Kansas has one. ASU, right now,
Really doesn’t.

(07-22-2021 03:51 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  When UT and OU started talking last time, we lost other good teams. So I wouldn't be surprised if one or more non-UT/OU teams announce jumps soon. My _guess_: B1G approaches UT and KU today or tomorrow. KU says yes, if the terms are decent. UT may say no for now as a delay tactic, and no again later unless the SEC vote goes against them. If a "no" by UT to the B1G, with NU's and KU's encouragement the B1G goes for MU. MU would probably say yes because its academics/admin wanted to be in the B1G last time around, but the SEC offered instead. SEC then looks around for one more in a new big market in the south. NC or VA?

pretty sure the B1G have already been waiting on both UT and OU first and foremost (OU's former president Boren was already talking to the conference over the past few years) as opposed to KU. Would be interesting though if the conference starting aggressively moving for 18 with UT/OU/KU/MU or UC though.

(07-22-2021 06:24 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS teams should not even play FCS IMO. The SEC allows FCS games to save a few bucks and decrease any chance of an upset. There is a slightly higher chance of upset against G5's.

P5 schools shouldn't ... given the scheduling of a lot of the FCS games late in the season, the SEC schools use them as a semi-bye, as well as a chance for the players lower in the depth chart to get a lot more game time than they have had during the conference schedule, so they are better prepared if they have to come in more regularly following an injury.

And since it is a competitive in addition to budgeting advantage to have that FCS semi-bye in the middle of the conference schedule, it's an arms race situation where getting rid of them has to be an agreement to eliminate them: all-in or all-out.

The smaller stadium schools in the Big Ten pushed back against the (2015?) AD agreement to not play FCS schools, and ended up with a compromise where they could schedule them in the year when they have four Big Ten home games. That would definitely be for financial reasons. Given that history, where the move to upgrade the inventory was announced and then walked halfway back, the next SEC media contract may well specify no FCS games in the inventory.

(07-22-2021 09:09 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 05:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:29 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:11 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Exactly. Not to mention they have an easy path to the playoffs every year

And it isn’t as if UT or OU need to money. Still not convinced this is for real but we will see

Gamecock, it's real. Bank on it! And it's been in process a while now. And in 2026 we move to 11P games. Likely 9 conference and 2 OOC. So expansion shouldn't impact USC / Clemson.

This is the issue that ND will be confronting. Will the SEC still want to schedule a difficult OOC game with ND? We have games with Florida and Bama coming up and I wonder if the focus will be FCS or in-state rivals more than an ND game.

Great question.

1. FCS games and likely G5, if we breakaway or form a new division, are going away. Maybe we agree to have more time for preseason practice and culminate that in a pre season game against a FCS or G5 and dump Spring Games which interfere with hoops and baseball. But I expect in short shrift to see a closed upper division schedule of all P games. It's why we are getting more money and it is driven by streaming in that actual number of viewers will dictate ad revenue.

2. ND is in the ESPN family and the SEC would still be responsive. Somebody in areas ND wants a presence will be available for a game. They'll rotate so that it isn't a burden on one school. And now you'll have the Horns and Sooners in house too.

3. So the Irish could rotate Ga Tech, Georgia, FSU, Florida, Miami, Louisiana St., Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and A&M and play any of them in DFW, Houston, or New Orleans. I don't see an issue in the West or Deep South.

#1 would be great, #2 and/or #3 would continue the nonsense of ND.

#2 and #3 will be just great.

#1 ? That is okay with me.

ND haters still will be yelling at clouds.

hmmm-

(07-23-2021 09:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  hmmm-

What happened in December/January that sparked the discussions, I wonder?

(07-22-2021 03:51 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  When UT and OU started talking last time, we lost other good teams. So I wouldn't be surprised if one or more non-UT/OU teams announce jumps soon. My _guess_: B1G approaches UT and KU today or tomorrow. KU says yes, if the terms are decent. UT may say no for now as a delay tactic, and no again later unless the SEC vote goes against them. If a "no" by UT to the B1G, with NU's and KU's encouragement the B1G goes for MU. MU would probably say yes because its academics/admin wanted to be in the B1G last time around, but the SEC offered instead. SEC then looks around for one more in a new big market in the south. NC or VA?

losing Mizzou to B1G might give room for an OK St invite for SEC, which smoothes any political haranguing in the Sooner state.

Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

(07-23-2021 09:37 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  losing Mizzou to B1G might give room for an OK St invite for SEC, which smoothes any political haranguing in the Sooner state.

But wishful thinking by some in Missouri is not going to make it so ... whether Missouri would have been taken instead of Rutgers if they were still available when Maryland wanted to move is something to speculate on, but Missouri was clearly not a #13 school to prompt an expansion to 14, so there's no reason to think of them as a #15 to prompt an expansion to 16.

(07-23-2021 09:45 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:37 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  losing Mizzou to B1G might give room for an OK St invite for SEC, which smoothes any political haranguing in the Sooner state.

But wishful thinking by some in Missouri is not going to make it so ... whether Missouri would have been taken instead of Rutgers if they were still available when Maryland wanted to move is something to speculate on, but Missouri was clearly not a #13 school to prompt an expansion to 14, so there's no reason to think of them as a #15 to prompt an expansion to 16.

maybe, in my mind the only way to "counter" the SEC moves is to focus on improving basketball. SEC just won the football battle.

The only school that could feasibly compete is OSU, maybe a revitalized Michigan.

Kansas+Missouri fills the AAU unspoken requirement, and gives B1G one of the better basketball rivalries.

(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

I can't wait for the first LSS again. Just seeing fans talk like this is really going to make for a great game.

(07-23-2021 09:16 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  hmmm-

What happened in December/January that sparked the discussions, I wonder?

Recruiting? TV analysts?

(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia

(07-22-2021 05:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:29 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 04:11 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 03:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  That's where my surprise is. OU isn't a huge shock. But I didn't see UT leaving a power conference that they effectively run and follow A&M.

Exactly. Not to mention they have an easy path to the playoffs every year

And it isn’t as if UT or OU need to money. Still not convinced this is for real but we will see

Gamecock, it's real. Bank on it! And it's been in process a while now. And in 2026 we move to 11P games. Likely 9 conference and 2 OOC. So expansion shouldn't impact USC / Clemson.

This is the issue that ND will be confronting. Will the SEC still want to schedule a difficult OOC game with ND? We have games with Florida and Bama coming up and I wonder if the focus will be FCS or in-state rivals more than an ND game.

Great question.

1. FCS games and likely G5, if we breakaway or form a new division, are going away. Maybe we agree to have more time for preseason practice and culminate that in a pre season game against a FCS or G5 and dump Spring Games which interfere with hoops and baseball. But I expect in short shrift to see a closed upper division schedule of all P games. It's why we are getting more money and it is driven by streaming in that actual number of viewers will dictate ad revenue.

The G5 is going to tell the SEC that will happen wait when hell freezes over. FCS is a far more likely candidate to do that, and I still like pre season intersquad games anyway. Apparently E$PN does not, and I will continue to tell them (E$PN) that I when I do get their services it will be when Satan breaks out a pair of ice skates.

(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia

So pointing out there is NO conspiracy against A&M, just UT trying to pretend there is one makes US the paranoid ones?

God I forgot what a dumb*** fan base y’all were

(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia

Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.

(07-22-2021 09:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:24 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS teams should not even play FCS IMO. The SEC allows FCS games to save a few bucks and decrease any chance of an upset. There is a slightly higher chance of upset against G5's.

Minnesota vs North Dakota State or South Dakota State can create a rivalry. There are a handful of FCS teams that can compete with the big dogs using less resources. Those games do make national television watchable since people do love the underdog win over the giant.

(07-23-2021 11:56 AM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:58 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:43 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(07-23-2021 09:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Reports now indicate that A&M was kept in the dark about it

Better Understand now why the leaked it

Texas A&M must be fuming. It must almost feel like getting cheated on. Their new partner talking it up with their ex behind their back.

Not really

This is how the UT snake media works. They take a true statement then twist it to make themselves look powerful and others look weak

In this case, I guarantee you that Sankey told NONE of the member schools about the negotiations which makes sense with something this big until it’s ready to be presented

But UT media twists that to imply everyone but A&M was in on it because UT is so valuable that no input from A&M was required

They make themselves look powerful while trying to create distrust between A&M and the other SEC members because they know we are working on getting a coalition of 2 more no votes along with ourselves and Mizzou

You see how they work?

Just one of many reasons why SEC would be fools to accept the conference killing cancer into its home

Typical Aggie paranoia

Nah, shet like that caused the Big 12 to break up the first time. If it was just A&M saying these things it'd be one thing, but anyone that's paid more than a little attention to Texas and isn't looking at the program with homer goggles knows how they operate.

A&M and some of you are barking up the wrong tree this time. This has ESPN/Disney written all over it.

Who was it that used Dodds in 2010 to try to snake the best B12 product away from FOX before GOR's? Who was it that tethered the cow with the cash drain LHN? Who was it that encouraged the partial deal with ND and the ACC? Who was it that required the SEC to add 2 "new" markets to its footprint to destabilize the B12 so UT and OU would move to ESPN in 2012?

The master crafter here is behind the scenes pulling strings.

Texas and the SEC didn't dream this up. ESPN has wanted full control of Texas and Oklahoma's product for a long time and the new SEC contract was the way to get it. As to A&M being in the dark I call hooey. For talks and action to get this far all presidents knew.

I also strongly suspect that if Vandy drops out due to cost rise in athletics or need of space for research that Tech may yet come into play and if Missouri is committed maybe Kansas since ESPN has interest in them as well. But we are still a year or two away from any of that.

This is an ESPN coup of 45% or more of FOX interest in UT and OU.

I'm still amazed that so many think it is the school or conferences doing this when money is the motivator and networks hold the purse strings. This is corporate for profit business and conferences and teams are pieces on the chess board. I'll call this one the Bevo gambit!